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Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
I've always been a huge advocate of more than one monitor, I even have three on my system but since the introduction of X1 with screensets and the "instant appearing multidock" I've found that without intending it I've drifted to mainly operating on one monitor.
I've just ordered two new ones as my system is a bit of a monitor mis-match mess, i.e. all different sizes and resolutions and thought long and hard before I ordered two.
It dawned on me that I hardly ever use them both now as I did in previous pre-X1 versions. I found them almost essential then but now they are a nice luxury. I'm planning on using these two as one stretched desktop screen rather than two seperate ones.
Has that happened to anyone else?
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 03:43:03
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No I have been with two monitors since back in the Pro Audio days. I think they're not as essential as they used to be but still for me essential. This may be due in part to having wide screens.
Besides all my old projects come up on two screen.
None the less I have noticed when I was down a monitor for a short time it was not as awful as I thought it would be. I was glad to be back to the two though.
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 03:47:57
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It certainly happened to me Karl. I purposely moved my DAW onto a super duper laptop and I made sure that said laptop had the capability of running two monitors.
I already had two large monitors from my other DAW and I used to have the main Sonar window on the main (left) monitor and my Console was always open on the right monitor.
When I first set up my laptop I made sure that everything worked and tested my "external" monitors and all was fine.
I have not used those monitors since that day. Multidock has to be the reason for that, for me. I must admit that I've not bothered with screen sets. Probably due to my simple-ish work flow and I'm finding that toggling between track view and console, using D, is good enough for my needs. I find that I never need to really see my console while tracking, and I just have track view visible. And also while editing too. And when I'm mixing and generally messing with effects and levels, I switch to console. And I have console view, or the Multidock fully maximized.
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 03:56:21
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I moved to one big 27" monitor in the studio from two 19" monitors. I find that due to the MultiDock and ProChannel, etc I spend most of my time on one monitor. It certainly wouldn't bother me to have some monitors flanking my main monitor, but I prefer one big seamless picture in the middle now for sure.
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 04:02:35
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I also prefer one picture, but I would like to upgrade my 27" screen to something larger, 30" or preferably bigger. PC-type screens only seem to go to 30", but I've seen larger screens in photos of pro studios so I assume they use TVs, but aren't they pixel-y by comparison?
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 04:07:29
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Karl, Yes, I have pretty much moved towards one screen as well. Before X1 I would always have the TV and CV open on separate monitors and windows popping up all over the place for the PRV and SF. Theses days I have all that stuff docked in the MultiDock at the bottom of the primary monitor. I just hit "D" to switch to the CV. Once in a while I will move the Multidock to the secondary monitor for a particular workflow but I could live in X2 with only one monitor and have no problem getting things done. For most of my other computing needs I prefer a double monitor set up. Although, the thought of going to a single monitor has crossed my mind at times. 
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 04:11:49
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I also prefer one picture, but I would like to upgrade my 27" screen to something larger, 30" or preferably bigger. PC-type screens only seem to go to 30", but I've seen larger screens in photos of pro studios so I assume they use TVs, but aren't they pixel-y by comparison?
Yes, a 30" screen is great for Sonar, as you get 1600 pixels of vertical real estate. If many people finding a single monitor is a measure of success, then I guess the skylight interface is a resounding success for CW.
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 04:14:21
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Thanks for the replies everyone. I certainly wouldn't discourage anyone from getting two monitors but I think the X series has certainly made them less essential than before. At one stage I even had my third monitor reserved for VST windows in an effort to manage them. Now of course the PC has done away with that need. My usual set up used to be TV on one and CV and/or PRV on the other but the multidock has done away with the need for that as well. I even have a "meter bridge" type screenset now for when I do want both at once. I guess I'm getting too lazy to move my head/eyes.... 
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 04:14:46
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i'm using a 55" LG Flatscreen 1080P TV, and loving it... [not pixel-y]..... Since i am using an HDMI input on the TV it is as good as any monitor running at 1920 x 1080. ................. If you want higher res than 1920 x 1080 then thats where you need a proper monitor.
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 04:23:27
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I use a 40" led at my main desk and a 20" touch screen over my keyboard mounted on a vesa arm thingy so I flick Sonar to the touch when I compose with no need for horrid mousing, but in both cases I use a single monitor. Used to do an eyefinity setup with 3x24" but multi monitor setups give me a headache after a day of having my head of center looking at the side monitors. Just want more screensets please, I'm already using all slots 
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 04:25:22
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I moved to one big 27" monitor in the studio from two 19" monitors.
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i'm using a 55" LG Flatscreen 1080P TV, and loving it... I'n in between you guys. I have a 30" but I'm not bragging. Brandon, did you get my PM?
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 04:25:57
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I'm planning on using these two as one stretched desktop screen rather than two seperate ones.
Rats! for a moment I thought maybe you wanted to sell them... cheep! Oh well.  But now that the X series GUI is a success, and we're stretching our screensets across multiple displays, maybe, just maybe we can convince Cake to modify the Control Bar so it can display ALL the modules at once. As it is, there are 3 modules that are always (off screen) no matter what you do. Wouldn't that be a great addition to an otherwise great layout? It could even be scrollable for screens unable to display the whole thing. Can we have this? Maybe? Please? Feature request, anyone? Thanks, Steve
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 05:04:13
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I moved to one big 27" monitor
That's the way to do it for sure. I'm using a 21.4 inch.. (really great buy from costco, it was a floor model.) If I walked in to costco and saw a 27 incher, I'd pick it up in a heartbeat
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 05:04:20
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I know exactly what you mean but i use 2 stretched out and works well for me as i like to see all the Console whist mixing down :)
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 05:11:33
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have two 24" monitors side by side but only turn on one now with X series.
inspector shown, browser hidden (except when in use), control bar hidden 95 % of time, judicious use of keycuts, console view in multidock, it's all good.
I wish the default keycut from Prochanel inspector to track inspector was easier than ctrl+I
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 05:12:04
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I'm planning on using these two as one stretched desktop screen rather than two seperate ones.
Rats! for a moment I thought maybe you wanted to sell them... cheep! Oh well.
But now that the X series GUI is a success, and we're stretching our screensets across multiple displays, maybe, just maybe we can convince Cake to modify the Control Bar so it can display ALL the modules at once.
As it is, there are 3 modules that are always (off screen) no matter what you do.
Wouldn't that be a great addition to an otherwise great layout? It could even be scrollable for screens unable to display the whole thing.
Can we have this? Maybe? Please?
Feature request, anyone?
Thanks,
Steve
Yeah I think the console view is one area that could do with a little customisation ability. One tip I did discover while working on the videos is that a quick(er) way to move a module on screen if selected but off-screen is to deselect and then reselect it. It'll then replace the last visible module. I'm not sure whether that's by design or not but handy all the same. HTH
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 06:18:12
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I have 2 x 28" Monitors.
1 is for Console view alone and the the other is for everything else.
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 06:29:57
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I've always been a huge advocate of more than one monitor, I even have three on my system but since the introduction of X1 with screensets and the "instant appearing multidock" I've found that without intending it I've drifted to mainly operating on one monitor.
I've just ordered two new ones as my system is a bit of a monitor mis-match mess, i.e. all different sizes and resolutions and thought long and hard before I ordered two.
It dawned on me that I hardly ever use them both now as I did in previous pre-X1 versions. I found them almost essential then but now they are a nice luxury. I'm planning on using these two as one stretched desktop screen rather than two seperate ones.
Has that happened to anyone else?
I've been using and recommending a single monitor the whole time. I use SONAR 8.5.2 and never found a need for more than one monitor, plus I find the practice of opening and closing windows makes it super easy for me to keep track of which window is which. For example; I don't have multiple instances of Sonitus EQ open at the same time so I actually know which track I am working on when I make an adjustment. It seems fast and easy. Why would someone want to have extra big things between them and the speakers? If I did film sound I'd have an extra monitor back where the speakers are. I understand why the film sound post people have that type of set up, but I can't figure out why a musician would run a setup that has all the extra surfaces between you and the speakers. A single display monitor just sounds better. best regards, mike
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 06:42:51
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Each to their own. I found earlier versions of Sonar on a single monitor a nightmare for the way I like to work.
Not sure what you mean about monitors (screens) between listening position and monitors(speakers). Surely the screens are between the speakers not in front of them?
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 07:01:23
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No doubt that the skylight interface was a breakthrough for me... Sonar itself is increasingly getting out of my way..and that is a good thing.
I have 2 * 24" monitors on the main desk..one is Sonar and one is for instruments... additionally at a side station I have a Fantom G and Nova and a third monitor sits over that setup.... so its easy to throw sonar off to the side and work from that synthstation
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 07:15:44
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Surely those distances are all relative though?..... i.e. If distance from ear to speaker is 3' distance between speakers will be smaller than if distance from ear to speaker is 5' I can fit the two monitors (screens) I have just bought comfortably between my speakers while still maintaining a quite reasonable speaker to ear angle and distance. They are 'only' 22" monitors though (screens)
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 07:20:26
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I have a 22" screen and a 19" (or 20", I don't actually know how big it is) screen.
Having two displays was to me a neccesity prior to X1. Now I consider it more of a luxury. I find that I can work more efficiently with X1/2 on a lap top but I still like that little extra real estate on my 19" when I'm working at my main DAW. I have set up my screensets so that the extra screen shows the browser, video view, buses on the console etc. and I float the VST gui's there. It's luxury I tell ya, luxury!
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 07:27:28
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Surely those distances are all relative though?..... i.e. If distance from ear to speaker is 3' distance between speakers will be smaller than if distance from ear to speaker is 5'
I can fit the two monitors (screens) I have just bought comfortably between my speakers while still maintaining a quite reasonable speaker to ear angle and distance. They are 'only' 22" monitors though (screens)
I didn't see any distances on that diagram, but yes, of course they are relative. There's only 180* in a triangle.  The sweet spot is where it's at. Of course if you have a lot of reflective surfaces stuck up next to the speakers you'll hear a lot more than the speakers. Hey, it's your sound. :-) I've been enjoying a single display and the best sound I can have. best regards, mike
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 07:35:26
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I know there wasn't any distances on the original diagram but you seemed to be using that to demonstrate that there wasn't enough room for screens to fit between speakers not in front of them when I asked the original question, hence the question about distances.
I'll leave you to enjoy a single monitor and the best sound you can have while I carry on enjoying dual monitors and the best sound that I can have....
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2012/09/27 07:40:07
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Thanks.
When I see photos of some of the setups posted here and on Youtube I imagine people sitting in the sweet spot and mixing with their very, very, very long arms.
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 08:01:04
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My two monitors are further back than my speakers, and hence not in between me and the sound source. Crazy, radical stuff, I know.
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2012/09/27 08:02:10
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I also use Beagle's madcap method of moving my head occasionally according to what I need to do. I can see he's a maverick like me.
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2012/09/27 08:03:02
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I am 4ft from speaker L, 4ft from speaker R, so 4ft between speakers... 2 * 24" monitor =44" width.. so defining sweetspot does not preclude 2 monitors :)
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