What is the minimal install size ?  (core app +fx) 

I'm wondering just what a SONAR user would lose feature-wise when working in Pro Tools 11?  I've considered Pro Tools in the past but didn't stick with the demo long enough to really learn what it could or could not do assuming you didn't buy all the extras.  
 
I never use Beat Scrape or the Step Sequencer.  I've got plenty of plugins and I think the best of them have been ported over to PT so I wouldn't be hurt there either.
 
Having Pro Tools available wouldn't hurt me for sure.
 
 
EDIT:  This package looks like a really good deal.  I think I might jump on this also.

Zo

Meno

Zo
What is the minimal install size ?  (core app +fx) 

It was...
Pro Tools 10.3.7
Pro Tools 11
AIR Creative Collection
AIR Virtual Instruments
Big Fish Loops
Demo Session
misc PDF
 
Eleven Rack, iLok
 
all for 669.00

 
My bad ..i was asking for the disk space on HDD to have if someone only wants to install the minimal PT + FX componenet (no instrumenets , loopps ect ...)
 

The download size for 5 Zip files for Pro Tools 10 & 11 is 8GB. (inc plugins that come with Pro Tools)
When I look at my Program Files th size of the Avid folder is 1.16GB.
 
No loops

Mod Bod
I'm wondering just what a SONAR user would lose feature-wise when working in Pro Tools 11?  I've considered Pro Tools in the past but didn't stick with the demo long enough to really learn what it could or could not do assuming you didn't buy all the extras.  
 
I never use Beat Scrape or the Step Sequencer.  I've got plenty of plugins and I think the best of them have been ported over to PT so I wouldn't be hurt there either.
 
Having Pro Tools available wouldn't hurt me for sure.
 
 
EDIT:  This package looks like a really good deal.  I think I might jump on this also.

Ditto on Beat Scape and Step Sequencer. I never use them. Looks like ther are a lot of plugins that come with Pro Tools. Found this in a PDF. So far all of my purchased plugins work in PT10 and not sure about PT11. I am assuming the I can use Dimension Pro and Rapture out side of Pro Tools by using the microhost. All of my other Synths like Omnisphere, Guitar Rig, Absynth and all the ToonTrack stuff works. A bit of a learning curve but this was expected. So far so good. really happy to make the move and also get the Eleven Rack...but still not too deep into it all as of yet. Hope to spend time tomorrow diggin in. This really was a deal I could not pass up.
Pro Tools and Pro Tools HD Plugin List
http://akmedia.digidesign.com/support/compressed/Audio_Plug_Ins_Guide_76629.pdf?ns=1

• AIR Distortion
•AIR Dynamic Delay
•AIR Enhancer
•AIR Ensemble
•AIR Filter Gate
•AIR Flanger
•AIR Frequency Shifter
• AIR Fuzz-Wah
• AIR Kill EQ
•AIR Lo-Fi
•AIR MultiChorus
•AIR Multi-Delay
• AIR Nonlinear Rever
•AIR Phaser
•AIR Reverb
•AIR Spring Reverb
•AIR Stereo Width
•AIR Talkbox
• AIR Vintage Filter
• Avid Channel Strip
•Avid Down Mixer
• BF76 Compressor
• BF Essentials utility plug-ins
•Essential Clip Remover
• Essential Correlation Meter
•Essential Meter Bridge
• Essential Noise Meter
•Click
• D-Fi plug-ins
•Lo-Fi™
•Recti-Fi™
•Sci-Fi™
•Vari-Fi™
• D-fx plug-ins
•Chorus
•Flanger
•Multi-Tap Delay
•Ping-Pong Delay
•Dither
•D-Verb
• Dynamics III
• Compressor/Limiter
•Expander/Gate
•De-Esser
•Eleven Free™guitar amp modeling plug-in
• EQ III
•7Band
• 2–4 Band
•1Band
•Maxim™
•Mod Delay II
• Mod Delay III
•Pitch
•Pitch Shift
•POW-r Dither
•ReWire
•SansAmp PSA-1
• Signal Generator
• SignalTools
• SurroundScope
•PhaseScope
•TimeAdjuster
• Time Compression/Expansion
• Time Shift
•TLAutoPan™
•TL InTune™
•TL MasterMeter™
•TL Metro™
•Trim
•Other AudioSuite Plug-In Utilities
•DC Offset Removal
•Duplicate
•Gain
•Invert
•Normalize
•Reverse

What kind of feature like Audio Snap or Studio One Audio Bend does it have?  I get involved with projects or artists where I'm matching up my work to previously recorded material that might not have a steady tempo.  I have to create a temp map some way.  I don't necessarily have to have something that is automatic.

Automatic Delay Compensation, is that an issue that PT11 are dealing with?  What kind of strategy are you using for real time playback with effects?  Other than softsynths, I don't necessarily use plugins when I am recording.  I prefer to track first, see if I have a complete song and then add effects after I have all my parts in place.  Of course, that doesn't mean there aren't the occasional exception.

Thanks for the reply.  From what I understand, the ADC is set at 1024 buffers for playback but you can have lower buffer settings for tracks you are recording and monitoring real time.  That seems to be similar to the set up that Samplitude Pro X has. 

We work alike in that I also don't use plugins while recording with the exception of soft synths that are being recorded real time.  If I had an arsenal of vintage hardware synths, I would use them instead.

MachineClaw
Looked in this thread and nobody has mentioned it....
 
Eleven Rack (11R) Editor only works in Pro Tools 10 - which apparently comes in this deal , but 11R editor does NOT work in Pro Tools 11.  PT 10 and PT 11 can apparently live on the same machine so maybe it is not a really big issue however you would have to have both versions installed and that's a lot of HD space.
 
After reading a ton of forums, blogs etc it appears that the 11R team at Avid are no longer employed or working there.  Reading the Avid 11R forum people love the hardware but lack of support, software updates is miffing a lot of people.
 
The 11R seems like a very good hardware device, bunch of features I would like to have and I thought about this deal a lot.
 
I'm torn about the 11R.  really really like the features but am looking at Boss GT-100 or Line 6 POD HD.
 
I of course cannot figure out easily if my computer hardware is Pro Tools compatible either.  So I don't even know if the Pro Tools software would install or run on my box (i7 3.5ghz, 16g ram, Firewire Saffire Pro 24 interface).
 
on the surface this seems like a killer deal to get a 11R and Pro Tools - but now I'm not really sure.
 
(maybe I should just go buy a Axe-FX rig  hahahaha yeah like I should really do THAT!).

Eleven Rack does work in Pro Tools 11 but not in the same way that it does in PT10. Meaning that you will not get the GUI that you see in PT10 with the rack and effects setup (Like Guitar Rig). You can still use the Eleven Rack in PT11 there is a mini window for it and you can set up all amps/effects etc. directly from the hardware itself.
 
Lucky for me HDD space is not an issue.
 
I spoke to Avid support and they said that they would be updating PT11 at some point. Check out these videos if you want so see what I am talking about. Watch in order though. It will show Pro Tools 11 with Eleven Rack set up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdfuoQRVyGs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dl0pFgkRyE
 
 

welp I went to Guitar Center tonight and talked with my friend and the manager.
 
open box eleven rack + Pro Tools.  last one they carried in store.  I could not pass it up, cheaper cause it was no return open box floor demo.  still under full avid warrantee and everything in the box.
 
plus the eleven rack came with latest firmware upgrade and the eleven rack expansion which is $99 extra on avid site.
 
I only had about an hour to play with the eleven rack tonight.  WOW.  dead simple easy to use and the sound is really really good.  much better sound than I have been able to get from Amp3, guitar rig 5 or the Line 6 in Reason 7.
 
I have no idea if Pro Tools will work on my rig but I will find out this weekend when I have time to install and play more.
 
really is a great deal just to get the eleven rack.
 
Sonar X3 Pro is still my DAW but more toys is mo toys.

mudgel
I bought into Pro tools with version 9 when they finally broke the connection to Avid only hardware. I've learnt it during what I call the Sonar X1 debacle. Also got into Presonus Studio One at that time and had been using Reaper since it's early days.

Different Daws have different strengths and weaknesses. Bend 'em to your will as you need. I'm back to feeling good about Sonar again with X3 but I'll never be a one Daw user. I'll have my main daw which is Sonar but I don't hesitate to use the strengths of another if needed.

Agreed...I see such big differences in both DAWs PT and Sonar.
It seems that Sonar has made certain things easier to do (Much better Windows DAW from day one) and it feels like I am taking a step backward in how they do it in PT (An Apple DAW from day one). I am finding that they both have their strength’s. I am a Windows user to heart.
  

Mod Bod
Yeah, after a short evaluation of PT11, I've decided to add it to my current tools.  It's got a nice Organ plugin as well as several other instrument plugins that are very nice.  My Toontrack products are all ported to AAX and they were picked up by PT11 immediately and were accessible.  My Wave plugins required a repair install to add the AAX Waveshell and that was fairly painless.

My UAD-2 and my Slate Digital plugins have not been updated as of yet but both companies indicate that they are heading that way.

PT11 doesn't seem to be so convoluted as it was the first time I looked at it and rejected it.  It seems like they still force you to do things a particular way though.   One way in and one way out sort of thing, I would describe it.  It's reminds me of when I was learning to program in Cobol after more or less teaching myself how to write spaghetti code in Quickbasic.  Forced discipline is always a pain to us creative types.
 
The Eleven Rack appears to be a nice amp simulator.   I have a Pod HD500 and I'd like to sell that and get back some floor space.  

I may use it a lot or I may use it only when a client project requires it.  Looks like a good purchase for me.

 
Lol Cobol ....hard to live a normal life after ......years of Cobol , C++ , ADa , Java , Sql , Versant ect ....had me work full time in Music !!  lol ....you're comparing PT to cobol .....i'm now officially scared !!!

Sorry for dredging this thread up, but this is an appropriate place to tack this on...
 
http://createdigitalmusic.com/2014/02/avid-maker-pro-tools-now-losing-money-faster-delisted-nasdaq/

mettelus
Sorry for dredging this thread up, but this is an appropriate place to tack this on...
 
http://createdigitalmusic.com/2014/02/avid-maker-pro-tools-now-losing-money-faster-delisted-nasdaq/

"For that reason, I would expect Pro Tools to have a future, perhaps as an acquisition. But some sort of business change seems coming at Avid the company. For loyal Pro Tools users, that change might be welcome sooner than later."
 
Maybe Roland would be interested?? ;)

Just for the record, I have Sonar X2 and had the graphical problems very badly - in fact so badly it was difficult to use the program, so I went back to X1.
Now have X3 - computer / operating system / video drivers etc all the same and everything is now rock solid - I think X3 is the best Sonar version so far and I absolutely love it.
Cheers
Nigel
 

You will not like it, this is personal opinion: I should not have bought Pro-Tools and look for cheaper audio interfaces, though I like my interface. If I knew that upgrade to PT 9 will require 500$.... PT 10 another 500$ and so on. And my CPU could not handle medium project. I use another DAW. My bad, should've checked demo program. So I said Bye! for an unknown amount of time. And no PT 9 +etc. for me.