Help polishing off raw recorded vocals.

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RE: Help polishing off raw recorded vocals. 2009/07/14 19:21:32 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: CJaysMusic

thats the best adviceIve seen from you sir

Ib was drunk when posting that....


My favorice CJ quote:

"Onboard should be thrown overboard".

Were you drunk then too? If, so, give that man another; on me.
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RE: Help polishing off raw recorded vocals. 2009/07/14 19:24:45 (permalink)
No, I did chuckle when i worte the onboard should be thrown overboard

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RE: Help polishing off raw recorded vocals. 2009/07/14 19:43:13 (permalink)
Oh, sorry if I sounded like an arrogant egotistical ass when I said that... I just wanted to make a point that pitch correcting and singing techniques is not what I'm really concentrated on, because I learn that from my teacher. (I don't have private lessons, so of course im not amazing, but 1hour of instruction a day helps:]) And that im more interested in actualy effects used after the vocal and guitar piece are recorded.



oh now -- i was just messing with you -- all muscians have ego's .. even if they dont think they do ..... and even the ones who dont SEEM to have an ego do


your a good singer ... especially for a 17 year old ..... you'll need your ego to compete with whats out there --

ego might be a bad word --- i am talking more about confidence --

you really need to be sure of yourself in the music buisness -- you have to be -- because everyone else is so sure of themselves --

you'll see what i mean the more good musicians you work with through out your career --

when i was 17 i had promo pics -- and tapes of all kinds -- -- i was sure of myself and though I was a big deal -- thats why i joke about it now --

went to a music college where ( oh my gosh ... i discovered there were musicians just as good ... EVEN BETTER than me..... got put in my place fast) -- but i needed my confidence -- thats for sure

dont loose that --

you we're right and stating that its not your vocals or singing that was NOT the problem -- its not -- your question was about recording technique --

again -- i was just messing with you


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RE: Help polishing off raw recorded vocals. 2009/07/14 20:11:47 (permalink)
It also sounds like there's some heavy pitch correction if nobody else mentioned it.

But the photo.....
Yikes.
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RE: Help polishing off raw recorded vocals. 2009/07/14 20:13:26 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: Westside Steve

It also sounds like there's some heavy pitch correction if nobody else mentioned it.

But the photo.....
Yikes.
WSS




LOL @ "but the photo"

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RE: Help polishing off raw recorded vocals. 2009/07/14 20:52:31 (permalink)
As others have said there are a ton of tools that come with Sonar. You could start with the vintage chanel for a good compressor. You'll want to read up on compressors if you are not familiar. The LP64 "vocal lift" preset is a nice thing to try if you are lacking crispness. Also the Tubelever vocal preset adds polish to your vocal track. Try these out. While recording voice you should be aware of "proximity effect". Google this - you'll get the idea quickly. You can use proximity effect to your advantage, but it can also be problematic.

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RE: Help polishing off raw recorded vocals. 2009/07/14 21:11:42 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: guitartrek

While recording voice you should be aware of "proximity effect". Google this - you'll get the idea quickly. You can use proximity effect to your advantage, but it can also be problematic.



This is where mic technique (which isn' the same as vocal technique) comes into play.
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RE: Help polishing off raw recorded vocals. 2009/07/15 01:45:35 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: Marah


ORIGINAL: guitartrek

While recording voice you should be aware of "proximity effect". Google this - you'll get the idea quickly. You can use proximity effect to your advantage, but it can also be problematic.



This is where mic technique (which isn' the same as vocal technique) comes into play.




marah - I bet your friend with all those videos he organizes has some mic technique


i am just saying

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RE: Help polishing off raw recorded vocals. 2009/07/15 07:45:16 (permalink)
Tonight im defiantly going to do some more research, currently im messing around with the Sonalkis plugins(Compressor, EQ, gate, ect.) and have no Idea what im doing! Im not complaining about that fact, there is no reason I should know what im doing because this is my first time using products like this to an extent, but the manuals confuse me even more haha. Oh well, its a road we all go down, and once I learn how to use them im sure it will carry on with the rest of my recordings:]

Just play a track, vocal since thats what you're working on, and adjust each control in the effect from zero to maximum. You'll begin to see the influence of each on the audio playing. How you stack the effects in the virtual effects chain will have an influence also. It can get complicated so you have to experiment-play with it. When you arrive at some combination you like, remember to save it with another name in the presets list. Is the MCA SP1 a relatively cheap condensor mic?

post edited by Crg - 2009/07/15 07:48:23

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RE: Help polishing off raw recorded vocals. 2009/07/15 08:22:54 (permalink)
Just play a track, vocal since thats what you're working on, and adjust each control in the effect from zero to maximum. You'll begin to see the influence of each on the audio playing.


This is true as long as your mixing environment is good. For myself, I feel like my mixes improved when I corrected my room with treatments (and got decent monitors). That is when I could truly hear how applying effects affected the mix (especially EQ because my room had bass buildup issues).

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RE: Help polishing off raw recorded vocals. 2009/07/15 13:00:22 (permalink)
1) Double you vocal take. This means record the vocal line twice on two seperate tracks. Both tracks need to be as similar to each other as possible. Keep the panning of both in the center. You can pull or "tuck" one of them if you want. This means lower it's fader and keep the other one higher. Play with this.

2) Put a compressor plugin on both tracks. Dont over compress...alittle will be fine.

3) EQ the vocals. Boost them around 10k-15k

4) Add a plate reverb to the tracks. Again, never too much. You want to "feel it" rather than hear it.

5) Add a very slight bit of delay to the tracks. This you have to play with to find the correct timing of the delay.


There are a million ways to record vocals and this is just one. But if you mess with it long enough you will get a good modern sound.

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RE: Help polishing off raw recorded vocals. 2009/07/15 13:14:01 (permalink)
Am I missing something?

Some people (besides the OP) are saying this kid has a great voice. I can't find a link to HIS song.......his YouTube link is a link to a pro song.

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RE: Help polishing off raw recorded vocals. 2009/07/15 13:18:23 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: daveny5

dont sing directly into the mic...keep it at 45 degrees.......not that it helps me doh!


That's ridiculous.



I'll bite....

WHY is that ridiculous?

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