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RE: High-pass filter on entire mix 2008/06/04 15:30:34 (permalink)

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If the target is MP3, then you may want to cut even lower, perhaps 17KHz or even 15KHz, because MP3 does not handle high frequencies very well. If the target is CD, then nothing above 20KHz will be of any value. Besides, 20KHz is the very upper end of what most people can hear, if they even have something that can reproduce it. Filtering on individual tracks is useful for keeping one instrument from stomping on another.


Mose. You are getting your highs and lows mixed up..




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If the target is MP3, then you may want to cut even lower, perhaps 17KHz or even 15KHz, because MP3 does not handle high frequencies very well. If the target is CD, then nothing above 20KHz will be of any value. Besides, 20KHz is the very upper end of what most people can hear, if they even have something that can reproduce it. Filtering on individual tracks is useful for keeping one instrument from stomping on another.

He's asking for a highpass not a lowpass filter
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RE: High-pass filter on entire mix 2008/06/04 18:09:59 (permalink)
but I'm generally satisfied with a milder slope.


'Evenness' of any alteration is a good thing, IMO. Keeps things more or less predictable, too - so that spells Butterworth.

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RE: High-pass filter on entire mix 2008/06/04 18:28:19 (permalink)
CJ. You're a few posts too late buddy!

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RE: High-pass filter on entire mix 2008/06/04 19:01:01 (permalink)

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Hey CJ,

I really like the sound you get on your tunes and it seems you're able to make great use of every ounce of headroom that's available. How big a part of that do you think comes from filtering as you've described? I'd like to experiment more with the approach you're taking by applying filtering on the tracks and busses.

Thanx Don, A big part of it is from cutting and bossting, ala complimentary Eq. Another part is that i plan each sound before it goes into sonar, meaning the sound is what you hear, for the most part when im tracking in sonar and i make sure that each level of the gain stage isnt clipping or isnt too low. I usually have 3 to 4 gain stages before it hits sonar form using outboard gear. I EQ every track and every bus in every song ive done. Sometimes it just a highpass filter and sometimes im cutting and/or boosting.

The secret is that cutting is always better than boosting, because when you boost one frequency range, youll need to boos all the other frequency ranges to even out the spectrum...
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+1 on CJ's sound

So, now the real secrets come out :) What outboard gear are you using?

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RE: High-pass filter on entire mix 2008/06/04 19:05:20 (permalink)
Do any of you use a high-pass filter on your entire mix? If so, where do you make the cut? 32hz, 40hz, 60hz, 80hz? I must say, although it is not considered a professional technique, it certainly is a quick and simple way to clear things up.


I hardly ever put a high pass filter on my main master bus. "Unless I am mastering the song myself"


What I do is put them on individual tracks. It always varies.

Some tracks don't need bass at all. Other tracks benefit from a little weight.

Sometimes you don't want a high pass filter but a low shelving eq to take off 6 db or so. Different EQs "feel" different as well, like the UAD pultec sounds like it cuts waay above 100 hz for the attenuation.


Vocals can be anywhere from like 60hz to 900hz (depending on what you are trying to do).

Kicks (for me) are usually anywhere from (20hz to 200hz depending on what I am trying to do).
Bass is about the same depending on what I want to do.

I usually eq the bass different than the kick (visualize which sub freq you want to emphasize. Kick or Bass or both or none).


Main thing your kicks and bass are your important low freq instruments (usually) and you don't other stuff clashing with them down there (and you don't want them clashing with each other).

Other thing is kicks and basses are highpass filtered to remove subsonics most speakers can't produce (as a result you can get more headroom doing this as well as well as sometimes a clearer and cleaner bassline). I am very judicious on that though and this must be done with a subwoofer. You don't want to overdo it as it can weaken your kicks and bass.





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RE: High-pass filter on entire mix 2008/06/04 19:45:34 (permalink)
there are certain songs that certainly would benefit from a no-pass filter

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RE: High-pass filter on entire mix 2008/06/05 17:42:51 (permalink)
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I love you guys, one can learn so much simply by reading these posts.






Agreed! This is one of the best technics i've learned here recently! Brilliant thread!
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post edited by Cormega - 2008/06/05 18:04:04
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RE: High-pass filter on entire mix 2008/06/06 09:48:25 (permalink)
Speaking of High-pass filter on entire mix...How exactly does one do this in Sonar 7? I'm extremely new to mixing technics, and am just curious what most people do to acquire the desired settings. (besides, i can't find high-pass filter anywhere in my plug-ins)
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post edited by The Maillard Reaction - 2018/12/23 01:02:10
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RE: High-pass filter on entire mix 2008/06/06 14:17:21 (permalink)
Cheers Mike. Thanks for the pointer!
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RE: High-pass filter on entire mix 2008/06/06 16:29:04 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: tweeksound


HPF are great for cleaning up the low "rumble" freq's that will only take up disproportionate amounts of headroom and have your speakers working harder for nothing.

I HPF almost everything but kick in most music.
I HPF the bass just enough to give the kick it's own real estate.
Then most everything else get the "thin" treatment :0)
Solo'd they don't always sound thick and heavy but with the kick nd bass, they gel perfectly and I know that my poor monitors aren't trying to reproduce 8Hz and the rest of my waveform isn't riding on a giant death wave!


Good information, almost exactly what I do...in fact, when i solo stuff I purposely tell myself if it doesn't sound "thin" soloed...it isn't ready to sit in the mix right...

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