Mooch4056
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review
2016/10/09 22:15:47
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Sheanes I'm considering to load a drunk youtube video and complain about the subscription model....getting the new software to keep/use forever and then additonal free updates for so many years is just unacceptable.
please do ... This should be good!!! Entertainment! ;)
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JohanSebatianGremlin
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review
2016/10/09 23:33:18
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eph221 I suggest you start thinking for yourself, it'll benefit you in the long run.
Insults? Nice. How very grown up of you. Right nevermind then. No point in engaging with you any further.
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review
2016/10/09 23:37:42
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☄ Helpfulby jbow 2016/10/31 17:36:33
It's all very well to say RTFM but I think at this point, many companies are starting to wise up to the fact that it's just human instinct to hate reading huge manuals. Not everyone does well with that style of learning - many people are far better at taking in information when it's presented to them both aurally and visually. The problem with manuals is that you don't feel much of a connection with what's on the page and what's on the screen. Most manuals feature heavily cropped images of the GUI, often in black and white. When looking at a page of text interspersed with small labeled diagrams, it's easy to feel disconnected with the actual software and become lost. Add to this the fact that most manuals hyperlink the crap out of themselves and it's easy to get very confused very quickly. You don't feel like you're getting a solid overview, you feel like you're picking your way through a vast, overgrown forest with no compass in poor visibility. To be honest the Sonar manual isn't the best and is probably awful to someone who doesn't respond well to written tutorials. I know I get frustrated and overwhelmed with it sometimes. Contrast this with a good video tutorial. The whole interface is there on the screen, just as you see it yourself. A mouse pointer is moving around, just like the mouse pointer on your screen. And someone is actually talking you through it just as if they were a friend showing you around. This is why companies like Groove3 and Lynda do so well - people prefer to learn from videos. Admit it, where would you rather learn the basics of Kontakt - from NI's dry and hard to read manual, or from the friendly, no-nonsense voice of Eli Krantzberg? The guy in that YouTube video is right. A "getting started" video should always be approached by getting into the mind of the average beginner and thinking about what they really want to know to get them started. Dragging an audio track into the DAW and setting up a guitar track seems like a good place to start. The thing about teaching beginners is that you have to hold their interest immediately otherwise they have a tendency to drift and lose heart. This means teaching them something that gets them a tangible result almost immediately.
post edited by sharke - 2016/10/10 00:00:24
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bapu
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review
2016/10/10 11:44:51
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Where's the tut on how to respond to this &**^%$ fred?
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review
2016/10/10 12:08:48
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Am I the only one who thinks that the beer and cigarette were "props" for his "schtick"?? This sounds less like a true ranting critique and more like a bad comedy audition. Of course...I didn't make it all the way through so maybe I missed something. But I doubt it. This so called "drunk" video was...you know...on purpose.
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review
2016/10/10 12:28:28
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Are you saying maybe it was intended as satire?
 All else is in doubt, so this is the truth I cling to. My Stuff
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bapu
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review
2016/10/10 12:33:33
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SteveStrummerUK And just to think I got banned by a forum host for using the anatomically correct word for a part of the body 
I'll never say pedal or hallux in this forum again.
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bapu
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review
2016/10/10 12:42:11
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SteveStrummerUK And just to think I got banned by a forum host for using the anatomically correct word for a part of the body 
Were you speaking of that part in the novoselic region of the body?
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ampfixer
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review
2016/10/10 13:24:41
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2016/10/10 13:46:44
bitflipper Are you saying maybe it was intended as satire?
I don't think the star of the video was mature enough to employ satire. Sometimes, what you see is what you get.
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eph221
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review
2016/10/10 13:28:44
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ampfixer
bitflipper Are you saying maybe it was intended as satire?
I don't think the star of the video was mature enough to employ satire. Sometimes, what you see is what you get.
Satire requires maturity? How so? I've always considered satire (and sarcasm) to be adolescent in nature.
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eph221
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review
2016/10/10 13:35:36
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(warning: I'm adolescent in nature)
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bapu
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review
2016/10/10 13:51:36
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eph221 (warning: I'm adolescent in nature)
oh, you mean ironic.
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eph221
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review
2016/10/10 14:00:36
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all right, alanis put the gun down..
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review
2016/10/10 14:05:01
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eph221 (warning: I'm adolescent in nature)
who here among us isn't?
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review
2016/10/10 14:05:02
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What kind of name is alanis anyways? Is it from the Bible?
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bapu
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review
2016/10/10 14:06:17
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We're all just boyz with toyz
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review
2016/10/10 14:06:58
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eph221 What kind of name is alanis anyways? Is it from the Bible?
Alan Is?
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review
2016/10/10 14:21:02
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bapu
eph221 What kind of name is alanis anyways? Is it from the Bible?
Alan Is?
But not mightier than the sword.
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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craigb
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review
2016/10/10 14:23:27
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Personally, I rarely used Cakewalk's own manuals. I always used to get Craig Anderton's instead. That said, now that Lynda.com exists, the vast majority of the tutorials I watch for all subjects come from there. I simply don't have time for books anymore and I can make VLC show faster much easier than I can speed read.
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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craigb
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review
2016/10/10 14:23:51
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Personally, I rarely used Cakewalk's own manuals. I always used to get Craig Anderton's instead. That said, now that Lynda.com exists, the vast majority of the tutorials I watch for all subjects come from there. I simply don't have time for books anymore and I can make VLC show faster much easier than I can speed read.
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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bapu
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review
2016/10/10 14:24:42
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What's a manual? Is that like a juan?
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craigb
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review
2016/10/10 14:28:38
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Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review
2016/10/10 18:19:40
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Software's complexity may lend itself to this type of behavior and rant .... Drunk , funny or not , the dude would not last 10 mins in the real world if he made videos just like the one he did on SONAR if he used Gibson , Fender or Ibanez guitars as his rant material  Think about it for a moment .....a few possible story lines .. I'm really angry with Gibson guitars because I bought a Les Paul and it didn't come with a manual that shows me how to play Stairway to Heaven ...wwaaa waaa waaa ...that company sucks because I don't want to have spend my valuable time learning how to play ...I have songs I want to get out there .... I know I'm an a$$hole but ...If Gibson doesn't get their $hit together I'm gonna go out and buy a Fender Guitar .... hhmm , all the best , Kenny
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review
2016/10/10 20:07:13
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Anyone know Gibson will also have subscription models for guitars ? I'd like a one year 'Sonar like subscription' to a faded honeyburst Les Paul Standard or something like that. Hope someday Dodge will one day be a Gibson brand, will subscribe to a Dodge Charger surely.
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review
2016/10/10 21:58:03
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☄ Helpfulby Sheanes 2016/10/10 23:25:29
Monthly subscription on a Gibson Les Paul Honey burst over a 12 month cycle as compared to a Dodge Charger ? Well you can lease a Dodge Charger if your credit is good ... Hmmm the Gibson Les Paul subscription ? that one may cost as much as the Doge per month Kenny
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sharke
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review
2016/10/10 22:47:59
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craigb Personally, I rarely used Cakewalk's own manuals. I always used to get Craig Anderton's instead. That said, now that Lynda.com exists, the vast majority of the tutorials I watch for all subjects come from there. I simply don't have time for books anymore and I can make VLC show faster much easier than I can speed read.
Do you pay for your Lynda access or like me are you able to gain access for free with your library card?
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craigb
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review
2016/10/10 23:15:25
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I've done it both of those ways, plus had a business I was part of pay for it. Now it counts as a business expense. I need to learn a LOT of new things for my new job but, just like at the library, just because you go in needing to get one thing, it doesn't mean you won't find several other things (albeit on completely "unnecessary" topics) that interest you!
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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sharke
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review
2016/10/11 00:32:14
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Yeah the very tempting thing about Lynda.com is that they now have these "learning paths" you can follow, e.g. "Become a graphic designer" and "become a 2D animator" in which they've curated a whole series of videos to set you on that path. That's great because there are so many videos up there it can be quite hard to find relevant ones for what you want to learn. Having an intelligently selected playlist puts it all in your lap. What really sucks is when you get an instructor who annoys you for one reason or another. Perhaps it's their voice, or their tendency to skip over details or go too fast. I really like Deke McClelland's Photoshop and Illustrator videos but sometimes he goes to fast and he's just saying "Then I'm gonna click here. Then I'm gonna open up that dialog and put in a value of 50.7. Then I'm gonna move this point to here, drag this over here and chance the color of this to green." Of course the other danger with video courses it that it's very tempting to watch a whole bunch of them without actually going along with what's on screen. Big mistake - you get 5 videos deep and think damn, I have no idea what I've just learned.
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craigb
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review
2016/10/11 01:54:40
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With all learning in general, it's best to take in a certain amount (varies by individual, test to see what works best for you), then relax and maybe put on headphones with music (while reviewing in your head what you just learned). This allows all the stuff you just crammed into your short term memory to make its way into your long term memory. Sure, an isolation tank is THE best thing for this, but I doubt any of us even have access to one let alone have one. Basically, you want to avoid adding too much new information (or distracting information) into your memory because it will naturally drop off some of the older information to make room (or assume that it wasn't important enough to save). Of course, as with all muscle memory activities, repetition and actual use of what you just learned help considerably. Even just closing your eyes and visualizing the activity is beneficial because, in most things, your mind doesn't distinguish between imagining and actually doing something. You see this a lot with athletes and race car drivers, etc.
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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sharke
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review
2016/10/11 02:04:14
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Yes I always take frequent breaks when learning new stuff. Having said that, a certain method of learning comes naturally to me. If I'm learning a new program for instance, what I find helpful is to first of all see how far I can get without any instruction. I'll just blindly grope around and try and work things out myself. This of course formulates all kinds of problems and questions in my mind, and I find that when I go to watch the tutorial, it makes more sense to me because it's answering questions I've already formulated from my own exploration. What I'm looking at in the video makes more sense because it's stuff I've experienced already.
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