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2016/10/08 22:23:34 (permalink)

Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review

Unfortunately, this ain't a joke. Before you complain about CW support, just remember that this moron represents a not-insignificant percentage of their calls...
 
(Warning: narrator has a limited vocabulary and relies heavily upon generic four-letter words. If you've never heard those words before, or have a toddler on your lap, skip this video.)
 



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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review 2016/10/08 22:33:32 (permalink)
Hes been upstairs under many different usernames but the  song is the same
 
and his little band of sockpuppets comments egging him on
 
I turned it off after 30 seconds, and 29 of those were f bombs
 
what an a**hat

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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review 2016/10/08 22:52:10 (permalink)
I'd give him about a "2" on the articulation scale.  I'm pretty sure he might have been my DI in boot camp.  Their vocabulary was pretty similar.

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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review 2016/10/08 23:31:23 (permalink)
That was hard to watch. I wish I could punch my screen and knock him out.

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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review 2016/10/08 23:51:20 (permalink)
The cigarette is a dead giveaway...no pun intended.

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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review 2016/10/09 00:25:06 (permalink)
I'm going to go against the grain here and say that he actually had a couple of good points from a frustrated beginner's perspective, and he made me laugh a couple of times (e.g. when talking about his ass-wiping concept album). But other than that, the dude was basically me ranting at my screen about certan other software I use except that I would never dream of recording it and putting it on YouTube. 

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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review 2016/10/09 05:12:52 (permalink)
I liked him. He's a bewildered middle-aged man railing against the inanities of modern life really. I can identify with that. I mean, a large lavish box, containing...a piece of paper with a code. That's straight out of Douglas Adams. 

 
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review 2016/10/09 05:47:43 (permalink)
I wound up watching a couple of his videos ...
I'm not judging the guy since I have felt as frustrated at times learning my DAW...
Overall I get the impression that the guy is enjoying himself to a degree ranting about a lot of the accelerated social and tech ways of doing things that have come down the pike recently ...
 
Regarding the SONAR video , I don't have the need to defend Cakewalk at all ...he could easily get up to speed if he really wanted to
 
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review 2016/10/09 07:31:43 (permalink)
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Hes been upstairs under many different usernames but the  song is the same
 
and his little band of sockpuppets comments egging him on
 
I turned it off after 30 seconds, and 29 of those were f bombs
 
what an a**hat


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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review 2016/10/09 08:49:19 (permalink)
The guy has character. The puffs on the cigarette, the sips of beer, the language. I nearly had a heart attack from laughing when he started talking about his concept album (analogy to wiping your a**???), and the 'long ears' style. He is opinionated and quite honest in concerns, so I can't fault the guy for that. His presentation though can offend some. Maybe Cakewalk should consider listening. Sonar is a professional application and is geared as so. But unfortunately is not very intuitive. Would it be so hard to provide newbie assistance in the form of new user videos as he mentioned? It might help them in their business.   

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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review 2016/10/09 09:28:51 (permalink)
"Maybe I'm just f***ing stupid..."
 
Agreed.
 
all the "getting started" stuff can be learned in 20 minutes by following the tutorials at the start of the manual... less time than that whiny, profanity laced derp fest.
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review 2016/10/09 11:51:12 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby sharke 2016/10/09 15:37:57
Every member of Cakewalk staff should watch that video. Know why? Because like it or not, he's a customer and he brings to light some genuine issues new users have that would be EASY to fix. As my boss always says, the customer is NOT always right, but the customer is ALWAYS the customer. 

Sonar has a reputation problem. A big one. Videos like this floating around youtube ain't helping. 



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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review 2016/10/09 12:03:23 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bapu 2016/10/10 12:53:54
 
 
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review 2016/10/09 14:21:02 (permalink)
If you brush away all his rambling there are a couple of truths buried in there. I don't have any sympathy for guys that have the idea to try and learn complicated software while drunk or high. That's his biggest problem IMO.
 
Sober up, grab a coffee and start over man.

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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review 2016/10/09 16:03:02 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jbow 2016/10/31 17:15:52
And this is what I'm talking about. Sonar has a serious reputation problem. I think its about as intuitive as DAW software can get, but I've been using it forever. To those who have never used a DAW, it is extremely difficult to learn and there isn't a lot in terms of video/tutorials geared toward absolutely rank beginners. Those with some knowledge base? Sure, tons of stuff.
 
But I haven't seen anything that walks slowly and clearly step by step through creating a new project, loads a plugin into the project and records with it, records outside audio into that project and imports outside audio into that project. Pure basics only. Maybe its out there but I've never found it. 
 
But instead of fixing that issue, its easier to go oh well he was drunk so its his own fault and keep our heads in the sand. And we wonder why we're the also rans of the DAW world.
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review 2016/10/09 16:19:30 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jbow 2016/10/31 17:16:09
You just described SOME of the functions covered in the tutorials at the start of the manual. It walks you through all the basics step by step to give ultra n00bs enough to get working.
 
This guy obviously wasted six months without ever cracking the manual to the first chapter. Seriously it takes very little time to work through that section. Of course this is Cakewalks fault somehow.
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review 2016/10/09 17:15:03 (permalink)
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Every member of Cakewalk staff should watch that video. Know why? Because like it or not, he's a customer and he brings to light some genuine issues new users have that would be EASY to fix. As my boss always says, the customer is NOT always right, but the customer is ALWAYS the customer. 

Sonar has a reputation problem. A big one. Videos like this floating around youtube ain't helping. 





It doesn't have a reputation problem, and in the end the success of cakewalk depends upon more than its customer service.  Did dungeons and dragons have good customer service?  The program is great, it sells itself.  If someone can't add 2+2 is the world supposed to stop and listen to his moronic rants?  Maybe if he weren't always drinking, he could spend a little time READING THE FECKIN MANUAL!
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review 2016/10/09 17:53:47 (permalink)
with Sharke here / great post Bitflippers thanks sharing it.
 
this gentlemen very clearly describes his point
someone at Cakewalk is now thinking 'Hey, let's make all new features idiot proof, so this idiot filled world can use it and we sell a lot more Sonar versions'.
 
I've had only good helpo from Cakewalk support
 
 
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review 2016/10/09 18:52:38 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby DrLumen 2016/10/10 00:15:51
Those of you who bailed after 30 seconds missed some of his best material (although I don't blame you).
 
I did try hard to sympathize with the guy and see the real frustration behind the rant. There actually is a valid complaint buried in there, but it has nothing to do with SONAR's limitations and everything to do with product expectations. He simply bought the wrong product for what he wanted to do. And then blamed the product. And then got drunk and made a video.
 
Would his reaction have been any different if he'd tried Reaper, Logic, ProTools, Audacity, Studio One, Cubase or Fruity Loops instead? Probably not.
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review 2016/10/09 19:12:57 (permalink)
He was rambling about switching to Reaper. If he thinks Sonar is hard to figure out I think Reaper will end up with him hospitalized from alcohol poisoning.
 
I think he's trying really hard to be Doug Stanhope but failing miserably because he's not nearly as clever or funny. I've known a LOT of drunks like this and they are unpleasant to be around... at best. At worst they're totally insufferable fist magnets.
 
At one point he mentioned he "worked" in corrections (when talking about tattoos and ear piercings before saying a bunch of non racist stuff about hip hop and a black guy's tutorial... then made it awkwardly racist by declaring he wasn't a racist... WTF?). I've know a few "screws" and I've known a LOT of jailclowns. The screws were definitely lunkheads but this guy acts WAY more like the jailclowns. He actually comes across as a classic smalltown Canadian dirtbag/drunk.
 
Any points he makes (yes... the huge empty box is wasteful and stupid but I'm guessing that is needed to stand out on retail shelves and OF COURSE it's nice when complex programs are made easier to use/learn) get completely buried with his rambling, bad attitude and foul/agressive language. He could have made his legitimate points in a couple minutes easily.
 
All this coming from me... who has been known to curse like a sailor with tourrette's and (used to) drink like one as well.
 
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review 2016/10/09 19:59:21 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jbow 2016/10/31 17:17:30
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You just described SOME of the functions covered in the tutorials at the start of the manual. It walks you through all the basics step by step to give ultra n00bs enough to get working.
 
This guy obviously wasted six months without ever cracking the manual to the first chapter. Seriously it takes very little time to work through that section. Of course this is Cakewalks fault somehow.


I just googled Sonar Tutorial and clicked the second link which led to CakeTV. That leads to a page with four links. The only link related to Sonar is Sonar University.
 
That takes you to a page with three choices. Get started, Go Deeper and Master Class. Click Get Started and what's the first video you see? Mix Recall.
 
Now I ask you, is Mix Recall really the first subject someone who had never touched a DAW be presented with? So yeah, I think Cakewalk has a little bit of fault here. Sue me. 
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review 2016/10/09 20:14:44 (permalink)
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It doesn't have a reputation problem, 


I will respectfully disagree. Of the DAW users I know personally, I'm the guy they call for advice or tech support help. I've been using some version of Cakewalk/Sonar since I started. No one else I know uses it and all of them have switched platforms several times out of frustration. Protools, Logic, Cubase, you name it. That tried them all. But none of them ever considered trying Sonar. Why? In their eyes Sonar is a toy and real pros don't use it so they aren't willing to try it. I know I'm not the only person with this sort of experience. 
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review 2016/10/09 20:19:11 (permalink)
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eph221
 
It doesn't have a reputation problem, 


I will respectfully disagree. Of the DAW users I know personally, I'm the guy they call for advice or tech support help. I've been using some version of Cakewalk/Sonar since I started. No one else I know uses it and all of them have switched platforms several times out of frustration. Protools, Logic, Cubase, you name it. That tried them all. But none of them ever considered trying Sonar. Why? In their eyes Sonar is a toy and real pros don't use it so they aren't willing to try it. I know I'm not the only person with this sort of experience. 


 
things change.  who cares what they think anyways.  I know some pros who reluctantly use pro tools because of it's early success and ubiquity.  On their private projects they use sonar!  Regardless, I suggest you start thinking for yourself, it'll benefit you in the long run.
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review 2016/10/09 20:26:25 (permalink)
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You just described SOME of the functions covered in the tutorials at the start of the manual. It walks you through all the basics step by step to give ultra n00bs enough to get working.
 
This guy obviously wasted six months without ever cracking the manual to the first chapter. Seriously it takes very little time to work through that section. Of course this is Cakewalks fault somehow.


I just googled Sonar Tutorial and clicked the second link which led to CakeTV. That leads to a page with four links. The only link related to Sonar is Sonar University.
 
That takes you to a page with three choices. Get started, Go Deeper and Master Class. Click Get Started and what's the first video you see? Mix Recall.
 
Now I ask you, is Mix Recall really the first subject someone who had never touched a DAW be presented with? So yeah, I think Cakewalk has a little bit of fault here. Sue me. 




The tutorials I refer to are in the Reference Guide at the very beginning. Yes the Cake video section is a little scattered and their vids aren't nearly as good as the paid vid series out there but there are lots of them about many topics and they are free.
 
To understand them though there is an assumption that you at least looked at the documentation (which very quickly and emphatically urges new users to do the tuts). Why people insist on banging their head against the wall for extreme lengths of time (like the fellow in the video) then declare the software/company useless without even OPENING the documentation simply boggles the mind.
 
I guess reading is just too complicated for certain people these days.
 
And no... I absolutely do NOT agree that Cakewalk is at fault in any way for this gentleman's stated problems. If he had shook the box, read the box to see what was in it or asked the seller he would have easily found out it was just a code... not discs. If he had opened the manual like any semi cognitive human would when trying to figure out an extremely complex piece of technology and having a hard go of things would he would have seen the tuts. If he then DID the tuts or even just the FIRST FEW OF THEM he would have been able to do everything he complained he couldn't figure out for the six months he's supposedly been "trying to learn".
 
Add to that Cakewalk has added freaking context sensitive help (Help Module) that tells you what everything does right inside the program when you hover over junk.
 
Believe me, there are things in Sonar I find annoying and I've certainly not always liked some of the stuff Cakewalk does but this guy's "problems" with Sonar are not problems at all and all the info he needs to do what he says he wants to is easily accessible.
 
I taught myself from SCRATCH with no real recording background and have almost NEVER had much difficulty getting the info I need. There's mountains of it.
 
Still no sympathy.
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review 2016/10/09 21:19:18 (permalink)
Actually, it's people like him that give my IT consulting job long time security. 
 
I was helping a user over the phone and they said their computer wouldn't boot up but there was a message on the screen saying "Hit F1 to continue bootup" (obviously they have some kind of hardware error going on).  So I asked if they had tried hitting F1 and they said they did but nothing happened, then they went on to comment how the message looks weird since you actually have to hit two keys.  That's when I realized that they were clicking the "F" and then the "1" key instead of the "F1" function key.  

 
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review 2016/10/09 21:45:39 (permalink)
eph221
 
It doesn't have a reputation problem, . . .




don't get out much do you? cakewalk and sonar do very much so have a bad reputation, you don't have to look far to realize this. and no offense intended, but this forum has just as bad a reputation if not worse than cakewalk/sonar. as good as this forum is, and in a lot of ways it is, it's reputation for being a fanboy haven is well renowned, and the way people pile on to someone who has anything negative to say towards cakewalk/sonar is also well known (i am sure you have witnessed that just as i have), so much so to the point that there are names, terms used to describe it in the outside world, 'he has been sonared' 'smaked down sonar style' etc, (which by the way other members have pointed to in the past, it's not a fairytale, it's actually true), and they are not used in a endearing manner either ;) i am just stating the facts as i have found them on many forums around the net, it's just the way it is. i am a lifetime member, sonar isn't my first daw of choice, nor is it my second, i find others to be far better, far more productive and far less frustrating, so i can look at it objectively, a lot of people here seem to be emotionally tied to cakewalk/sonar, walk around with blinders on and can only see good, either not seeing or refusing to see any bad in cakewalk or sonar whatsoever. i'll never understand seemingly having an emotional attachment to a company or a piece of software, never. if something suits me better i am gone, i have no concern for the company or the software, it's what gets the job done for me. i know some people are kind of stuck with x or y software, spent a lot of time learning it and invested a bit of money in it, but for me switching daws is easy, so if something suits me better i'm gone, and the money side of things is of no concern to me, i feel sorry for those who are stuck with something for those reasons, sometimes they make other excuses for not leaving when really they would like to, . . . . . . . . . anyway.
 
the dude in the video had a couple of good points, on was that box with a code inside, i know cakewalk aren't the only one who does it, but who in there right mind would pay extra for an empty box, maybe a shipping fee, then wait the time it takes to ship the box to them, when they could have had the code almost instantly and for less money?, i'm sure a lot of people would just assume that there was physical media in the box or at least something else other than a piece of paper with the code on it, and what is with these companies that do that, are they really that hungry for money? do they really think people are that stupid, obviously they are and they do.
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review 2016/10/09 21:53:15 (permalink)
(sniff, sniff)  I smell the blood of an englishman!
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review 2016/10/09 21:55:01 (permalink)
Well, it was a really nice *bleepin'* box... 

 
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Re: Hilarious Drunk SONAR Review 2016/10/09 22:08:12 (permalink)
I'm considering to load a drunk youtube video and complain about the subscription model....getting the new software to keep/use forever and then additonal free updates for so many years is just unacceptable.
 
 
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