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RE: Hisssssssssssing on vox tracks 2007/02/02 00:04:28 (permalink)
I just left the classic eq off and tried a pass recording and the guitar was fine. everything is cleaner only i can't hear the audio tracks at all cuz they're so weak with out the classic eq.

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RE: Hisssssssssssing on vox tracks 2007/02/02 00:13:18 (permalink)
Ok. We'll see what Beagle has to say, but I think you are getting a weak signal in, and when you boost the level with the EQ, you are also boosting the noise floor,and that is at least part of where the hiss is coming in.
Turn off input echo. When your track is armed, you should be able to hear it. Play with the adjustments Beagle mentioned on the preamp 'til you get a good signal (peaking at least -12 will work if you are recording 24 bit).
With the EQ in play, you are hearing a processed signal that is not really what you are recording.
I have to sign off now, but mess around with it, and we can touch base tomorrow.
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RE: Hisssssssssssing on vox tracks 2007/02/02 00:18:25 (permalink)
Thanks.
I will see what happens.

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RE: Hisssssssssssing on vox tracks 2007/02/02 08:02:17 (permalink)
I think Bob's last post there is right on track. I don't advise using plugins during recording anyway. You can and that's part of what makes CW good for some people because that's what they really need for their application, but if you don't NEED to, then don't. It uses processing power and can raise the noise floor just like Bob said.

Record dry (no plugins).
Adjust your pre amp levels to where your peaks are reaching between -12dB and -6dB (use the INPUT gain to adjust until it starts to sound muddy, then use the output gain to increase the level).

Let us know how that goes.

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RE: Hisssssssssssing on vox tracks 2007/02/02 11:03:09 (permalink)
That sounds very smart. i will try it tonight and let you know.
Thanks, Beag.

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RE: Hisssssssssssing on vox tracks 2007/02/07 08:50:51 (permalink)
I've had some detours over the last few days but i tried your prescription and it is much better- although there is still a bit of hiss.
The other mystery is when i use the "freeamp2" it goes crazy on me with volume in the headphones but not in the 'recording'.
the amp settings keep jumping out of their boundaries and get all loud for no apparent reason. I have to close the project and reopen it to have it simmer down.
Is it something with the freeamp or with my goofing something up- like having it on 2 or 3 tracks (freeamp) with different settings on each?

thanks.
ps.here is last attempt and there is much less hiss on vox.
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RE: Hisssssssssssing on vox tracks 2007/02/07 09:28:19 (permalink)
I don't know anything about freeamp2 myself. I've never used it. I'm not a guitarist, so it has no value to me.

What I hear before the song starts and after it ends (you need to trim those off, BTW, use something like Audacity to trim the beginning and the ending) - sounds simply like you have the gain on the pre up too high and that the mic is picking up ambient noise in the room. Try turning the pre gain down and recording ,you can boost later in the mix. also try putting up some sound absorbers - just curtains or blankets if you don't have the money to buy acoustic treatment (fairly expensive). Or if you can, record in a closet full of coats or clothes.

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RE: Hisssssssssssing on vox tracks 2007/02/07 12:54:40 (permalink)
Thanks, Beag.
I'll download Audacity and try to use it.

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RE: Hisssssssssssing on vox tracks 2007/02/07 22:06:20 (permalink)
Rick,
Audacity is pretty user friendly. I think you'll like it.
FreeAmp can give you some monster gain. I haven't tried multiple iterations of it, but it could possibly cause some erratic behavior. There is a volume control near the top of the GUI. Try using that to tame the output.
To record it, you need to bounce the audio track with FreeAmp in the FX bin to a new audio track.
What I typically do is use one track to record live with it engaged, get it where I like it, and bounce that to a new track.
Then delete the clip from my recording "base track", and record a new one. This is how I layered to guitars on Highland Dawn. It's a killer amp sim, and theprice is right. I've been experimenting with it on some synth organs for that 70's rock organ sound. Sometimes this stuff is just too much fun.

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RE: Hisssssssssssing on vox tracks 2007/02/07 22:42:15 (permalink)
I did the Audacity thing and it took out the beginning noise but can it take out any other noise?

Robt, i will try the bounce track thing with freeamp. I had one track with it on and another about to record and it was so loud that i couldn't get it down without shutting it off.
Thanks for the suggestions.

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RE: Hisssssssssssing on vox tracks 2007/02/07 22:50:46 (permalink)
Before you bounce, since you have a few tracks going, Solo the one you want to work with. Watch the meter on the bus you are sending to(Master?) Adjust the volume slider on your audio track and/or the volume control in FreeAmp so you get a solid peak in the green. Then you can bounce with no digital distortion, and have a good track to work with.
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RE: Hisssssssssssing on vox tracks 2007/02/08 09:26:30 (permalink)
Robert,
I'm gonna hope you know what i'm talkin about because it's hard to explain:
When i'm in a project that has freeamp in it , it goes berzerk just hitting the play button.
The amp is grumbling fuzz and spitting sounds before the tune starts. It is not constant and if i close and reopen project it sometimes behaves.
When it comes time to export to wave this becomes a real pain as it records all the disturbance.
What am i doing wrong?
thank you.

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RE: Hisssssssssssing on vox tracks 2007/02/10 00:01:14 (permalink)
Rick,
It could have something to do with multiple copies of FreeAmp being active. I've never done this, so I'm not 100% sure.
Try turning off or deleting all but one and see what happens. Some VSTs will behave badly with multiple instances, because they try to use the same RAM at the same time. This could be a big part of the problem.
Let me know how it goes.

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