mohak96
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How do I start out with music as a profession?
I don't know if this is the appropriate place to ask this, but I really value the opinions of people here, so I thought I'd ask anyway.
I have been making music (more like 8 to 32 bar loops) for about 2 years now. I only recently started making fully mixed and mastered songs (no vocals) every week. I've made about 4, by now.
I started with free software, off course. From LMMS to Sonar Platinum. From free .sfz files to Kontakt libraries. Over the course of two years I read multiple books on music, studied the pros, sat around in a studio watching others work and learned as much as I could. I'm still learning, I mean I just learned the difference between various electric guitars.
The problem is, I don't know where to go from here. My songs all have a distinct style to them, so I can't go the 'Kevin MacLeod' route. Nor do they fit a particular genre concretely, so I can't send them to those Youtube channels that post songs of specific genres.
So far, everything has been funded by my parents, and even now they'll gladly continue providing the funds. But, I don't want that to continue. I want to start earning something from this passion. Even if it's just a few dollars a month.
So, I ask all of you on any tips, or suggestions, on how do I start out with music as a profession?
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Re: How do I start out with music as a profession?
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Find a good doctor? Have you ever seen a grown man naked? Have you ever had sex with a rhino?
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Re: How do I start out with music as a profession?
2016/12/16 14:22:16
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Find a good doctor? Have you ever seen a grown man naked? Have you ever had sex with a rhino?
Um... are those references I'm supposed to get? :P
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Re: How do I start out with music as a profession?
2016/12/16 14:23:42
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☄ Helpfulby mohak96 2016/12/16 14:38:33
mohak96
I don't know if this is the appropriate place to ask this, but I really value the opinions of people here, so I thought I'd ask anyway.
I have been making music (more like 8 to 32 bar loops) for about 2 years now. I only recently started making fully mixed and mastered songs (no vocals) every week. I've made about 4, by now.
I started with free software, off course. From LMMS to Sonar Platinum. From free .sfz files to Kontakt libraries. Over the course of two years I read multiple books on music, studied the pros, sat around in a studio watching others work and learned as much as I could. I'm still learning, I mean I just learned the difference between various electric guitars.
The problem is, I don't know where to go from here. My songs all have a distinct style to them, so I can't go the 'Kevin MacLeod' route. Nor do they fit a particular genre concretely, so I can't send them to those Youtube channels that post songs of specific genres.
So far, everything has been funded by my parents, and even now they'll gladly continue providing the funds. But, I don't want that to continue. I want to start earning something from this passion. Even if it's just a few dollars a month.
So, I ask all of you on any tips, or suggestions, on how do I start out with music as a profession?
Can you play your own stuff live? If not, can you do cover songs live? It's as good a way to make a start as any. Join a band perhaps. Just throwing out ideas.
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Re: How do I start out with music as a profession?
2016/12/16 14:26:13
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mohak96
I don't know if this is the appropriate place to ask this, but I really value the opinions of people here, so I thought I'd ask anyway.
I have been making music (more like 8 to 32 bar loops) for about 2 years now. I only recently started making fully mixed and mastered songs (no vocals) every week. I've made about 4, by now.
I started with free software, off course. From LMMS to Sonar Platinum. From free .sfz files to Kontakt libraries. Over the course of two years I read multiple books on music, studied the pros, sat around in a studio watching others work and learned as much as I could. I'm still learning, I mean I just learned the difference between various electric guitars.
The problem is, I don't know where to go from here. My songs all have a distinct style to them, so I can't go the 'Kevin MacLeod' route. Nor do they fit a particular genre concretely, so I can't send them to those Youtube channels that post songs of specific genres.
So far, everything has been funded by my parents, and even now they'll gladly continue providing the funds. But, I don't want that to continue. I want to start earning something from this passion. Even if it's just a few dollars a month.
So, I ask all of you on any tips, or suggestions, on how do I start out with music as a profession?
Can you play your own stuff live? If not, can you do cover songs live? It's as good a way to make a start as any. Join a band perhaps. Just throwing out ideas.
Well, I live in India, a country where most live-playing is done by people with a laptop and a few CDs in the corner of a bar.
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Re: How do I start out with music as a profession?
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☄ Helpfulby mohak96 2016/12/16 14:37:34
You know eph, your post  really wasn't necessary (as funny as you may think it is) and shows a lack of tactfulness. The OP was asking a sincere question and I'm guessing wanted a mature/informative answer.
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Re: How do I start out with music as a profession?
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Their called starving artists for a reason.
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Re: How do I start out with music as a profession?
2016/12/16 14:29:20
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This is getting ridiculous. I've been asked those very questions before.
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Re: How do I start out with music as a profession?
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Their called starving artists for a reason.
I do understand that. And I don't expect to earn much either. As I said, even as little as a few dollars a month will do. I think that does qualify as deadly starving.
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Re: How do I start out with music as a profession?
2016/12/16 14:32:48
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Network with like-minded musicians. Move somewhere with a music scene. Learn everything you can. Play anywhere/everywhere you can. Develop talent. Repeat as necessary, likely a decade or two.
MAYBE this might give you a 1/1,000,000 chance.
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Re: How do I start out with music as a profession?
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☄ Helpfulby mohak96 2016/12/16 14:37:38
To the OP. Music as a profession is VERY broad. And by that definition it can include ANYTHING you do related to music.
You could work in a publishing company mail room and your profession is music.
You could write childern's songs and submit them to TV shows.
You could write music for video games.
But without a goal (i.e. a live player as James said, being a producer, engineer or manager of bands) I'm not sure what kind of advice I could give,
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Re: How do I start out with music as a profession?
2016/12/16 14:37:15
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bapu
To the OP. Music as a profession is VERY broad. And by that definition it can include ANYTHING you do related to music.
You could work in a publishing company mail room and your profession is music.
You could write childern's songs and submit them to TV shows.
You could write music for video games.
But without a goal (i.e. a live player as James said, being a producer, engineer or manager of bands) I'm not sure what kind of advice I could give,
Technically, the goal is to continue producing music just as I am now, one every week. And somehow have an income from it. But, I don't really know where to start.
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Re: How do I start out with music as a profession?
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☄ Helpfulby mohak96 2016/12/16 14:40:36
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I don't know if this is the appropriate place to ask this, but I really value the opinions of people here, so I thought I'd ask anyway.
I have been making music (more like 8 to 32 bar loops) for about 2 years now. I only recently started making fully mixed and mastered songs (no vocals) every week. I've made about 4, by now.
I started with free software, off course. From LMMS to Sonar Platinum. From free .sfz files to Kontakt libraries. Over the course of two years I read multiple books on music, studied the pros, sat around in a studio watching others work and learned as much as I could. I'm still learning, I mean I just learned the difference between various electric guitars.
The problem is, I don't know where to go from here. My songs all have a distinct style to them, so I can't go the 'Kevin MacLeod' route. Nor do they fit a particular genre concretely, so I can't send them to those Youtube channels that post songs of specific genres.
So far, everything has been funded by my parents, and even now they'll gladly continue providing the funds. But, I don't want that to continue. I want to start earning something from this passion. Even if it's just a few dollars a month.
So, I ask all of you on any tips, or suggestions, on how do I start out with music as a profession?
Can you play your own stuff live? If not, can you do cover songs live? It's as good a way to make a start as any. Join a band perhaps. Just throwing out ideas.
Well, I live in India, a country where most live-playing is done by people with a laptop and a few CDs in the corner of a bar.
Music is a tough business. There are really talented people with years and years of experience that don't get the opportunity. Maybe game music is a place where you could get a foot in the door. Start a bandcamp site to get your music heard. Give a CD of your music to one of the bar corner CD players.
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Re: How do I start out with music as a profession?
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BUt *how* do you want to make money? Selling your songs as downloads/cd/etc? Or get other artists to record your songs? Or for them to be part of a royalty based library? Still so many questions.
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Re: How do I start out with music as a profession?
2016/12/16 14:41:52
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I don't know if this is the appropriate place to ask this, but I really value the opinions of people here, so I thought I'd ask anyway.
I have been making music (more like 8 to 32 bar loops) for about 2 years now. I only recently started making fully mixed and mastered songs (no vocals) every week. I've made about 4, by now.
I started with free software, off course. From LMMS to Sonar Platinum. From free .sfz files to Kontakt libraries. Over the course of two years I read multiple books on music, studied the pros, sat around in a studio watching others work and learned as much as I could. I'm still learning, I mean I just learned the difference between various electric guitars.
The problem is, I don't know where to go from here. My songs all have a distinct style to them, so I can't go the 'Kevin MacLeod' route. Nor do they fit a particular genre concretely, so I can't send them to those Youtube channels that post songs of specific genres.
So far, everything has been funded by my parents, and even now they'll gladly continue providing the funds. But, I don't want that to continue. I want to start earning something from this passion. Even if it's just a few dollars a month.
So, I ask all of you on any tips, or suggestions, on how do I start out with music as a profession?
Can you play your own stuff live? If not, can you do cover songs live? It's as good a way to make a start as any. Join a band perhaps. Just throwing out ideas.
Well, I live in India, a country where most live-playing is done by people with a laptop and a few CDs in the corner of a bar.
Then buck the trend. I get Facebook feeds from bands and artists who go down a storm in India. Find venues where people go to see live music. Get a set together and play.
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Re: How do I start out with music as a profession?
2016/12/16 14:42:40
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mohak96
Well, I live in India, a country where most live-playing is done by people with a laptop and a few CDs in the corner of a bar.
Music is a tough business. There are really talented people with years and years of experience that don't get the opportunity.
Maybe game music is a place where you could get a foot in the door.
Start a bandcamp site to get your music heard.
Give a CD of your music to one of the bar corner CD players.
Thanks. Those are some good suggestions. Especially the last one. :)
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Re: How do I start out with music as a profession?
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You know eph, your post really wasn't necessary (as funny as you may think it is) and shows a lack of tactfulness. The OP was asking a sincere question and I'm guessing wanted a mature/informative answer.
Thanks Mesh. I'm getting really tired of seeing that ****.
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Re: How do I start out with music as a profession?
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☄ Helpfulby mohak96 2016/12/16 14:47:17
No matter what you learn from others, at some point you just have to take the giant leap and do it. More specifically offer a good service and believe enough in yourself to charge for it.
Start doing and start charging. Sounds simple right?
I haven't ever had the desire to do it or I would have done it years ago. I find plenty of satisfaction doing it as a hobby, but I know I could have done it.
Money in performance music probably isn't as profitable as making money recording for other acts. The education starts as soon as you start. During the education you can't quit. If you offer a good service someone is eventually going to pay you for it. Don't be a Mr. Nice guy...don't make too many exceptions or you'll never make any money.
Get paid up front and have them sign a contract. Make sure they know what you will do for the fee and what costs extra. Just do it.
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Re: How do I start out with music as a profession?
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BUt *how* do you want to make money? Selling your songs as downloads/cd/etc? Or get other artists to record your songs? Or for them to be part of a royalty based library? Still so many questions.
If I am to be honest, I would love to just sell my music. Like put it on iTunes, or get someone to notice the song and decide to publish it. It's just very unlikely to happen, though.
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☄ Helpfulby mohak96 2016/12/16 14:51:07
Another (off the wall suggestion) is putting up a Youtube video (the crazy stuff people do and the video just goes viral) while putting your music on the video? The more hits you get, the more you can possibly reach out to people?? IDK....just a suggestion.
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Re: How do I start out with music as a profession?
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No matter what you learn from others, at some point you just have to take the giant leap and do it. More specifically offer a good service and believe enough in yourself to charge for it.
Start doing and start charging. Sounds simple right?
I haven't ever had the desire to do it or I would have done it years ago. I find plenty of satisfaction doing it as a hobby, but I know I could have done it.
Money in performance music probably isn't as profitable as making money recording for other acts. The education starts as soon as you start. During the education you can't quit. If you offer a good service someone is eventually going to pay you for it. Don't be a Mr. Nice guy...don't make too many exceptions or you'll never make any money.
Get paid up front and have them sign a contract. Make sure they know what you will do for the fee and what costs extra. Just do it.
That's another direction I was looking into. But would it really work with a specific style of music? Surely someone will ultimately tell me they need it to sound exactly like Hans Zimmer. I mean they're paying, so I would do it regardless. But that feels a bit off, though.
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Re: How do I start out with music as a profession?
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Another (off the wall suggestion) is putting up a Youtube video (the crazy stuff people do and the video just goes viral) while putting your music on the video? The more hits you get, the more you can possibly reach out to people?? IDK....just a suggestion.
Yep. A lot of youtubers are using electronic music sub-genres increasingly. If I made enough to ultimately get it used by some famous youtuber, that would be some good free marketing.
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Mesh
Another (off the wall suggestion) is putting up a Youtube video (the crazy stuff people do and the video just goes viral) while putting your music on the video? The more hits you get, the more you can possibly reach out to people?? IDK....just a suggestion.
Yep. A lot of youtubers are using electronic music sub-genres increasingly. If I made enough to ultimately get it used by some famous youtuber, that would be some good free marketing.
Interestingly, I recently started listening to Electro-Swing, Electro-Blues, E-Rock etc....which I thought was really done well and enjoyed listening to. Maybe you can get in a new genre and do some Electro-Disco-Bhangra 
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Re: How do I start out with music as a profession?
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☄ Helpfulby mohak96 2016/12/16 15:10:42
I doubt there are many people reading this forum who can speak to the music industry in India. The professionals who let you watch them work in a (recording?) studio might have some advice, assuming they do not just see you as a gullible musician from whom they can extract money. Such predatory people are pretty common in the US "recording" industry. In fact taking hopeful musicians' money with little chance of success, is probably the main money making activity for most of those in the world who have developed that skillset. Coursera.org offers a number of courses about the music industry (primarily US & Europe) that would give you a feel for opportunities. Do not pay for course credit, that will be worth nothing in actually getting work. If you are interested in studying music (as opposed to making money as a musician/composer/songwriter) then academic courses may make sense, especially if becoming a music teacher is your eventual goal. https://www.coursera.org/learn/music-business-foundationshttps://www.coursera.org/learn/musicbizhttps://www.coursera.org/learn/music-industry It is insanely speculative to imagine that you can earn money from some sort of self recording and digital distribution. For every act that went viral on YouTube and made it to a paying career there are many thousands who go nowhere. The best most musicians will get from that kind of exposure is the ability to point someone to an internet demo tape if they are trying to get someone to hire them to play live for a cheap venue like a wedding. It would be nice to say that musicians who have spent decades perfecting their craft and working regularly in small venue live performance will eventually make it to a secure earnings plateau, but the evidence is that most will never go further than hand to mouth music income supplemented by a "day job" that actually pays the rent.
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☄ Helpfulby jamesg1213 2016/12/16 15:07:45
Hi Mohak
My only piece of advice would be this. Whatever you want to do in music, make sure you are doing it for the love of music and you are enjoying it not because you want to be rich and famous.
I'm an old fart and am still doing what I love with music - I have made a bit of money along the way but not enough to buy a Rolls Royce :)
Good luck with it mate
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Re: How do I start out with music as a profession?
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Another (off the wall suggestion) is putting up a Youtube video (the crazy stuff people do and the video just goes viral) while putting your music on the video? The more hits you get, the more you can possibly reach out to people?? IDK....just a suggestion.
Yep. A lot of youtubers are using electronic music sub-genres increasingly. If I made enough to ultimately get it used by some famous youtuber, that would be some good free marketing.
Interestingly, I recently started listening to Electro-Swing, Electro-Blues, E-Rock etc....which I thought was really done well and enjoyed listening to. Maybe you can get in a new genre and do some Electro-Disco-Bhangra
That would definitely be deafening. But in all honesty, I mostly produce electronic rock. Something like Starset, but a bit more electronic. I can't really play any Indian instruments except for the bansuri.
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Hi Mohak
I'm an old fart
Oh no he didn't say that....
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Hi Mohak
My only piece of advice would be this. Whatever you want to do in music, make sure you are doing it for the love of music and you are enjoying it not because you want to be rich and famous.
I'm an old fart and am still doing what I love with music - I have made a bit of money along the way but not enough to buy a Rolls Royce :)
Good luck with it mate
I've never really thought of being rich or famous. Just making music is enough to make me happy. 
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Hi Mohak
My only piece of advice would be this. Whatever you want to do in music, make sure you are doing it for the love of music and you are enjoying it not because you want to be rich and famous.
I'm an old fart and am still doing what I love with music - I have made a bit of money along the way but not enough to buy a Rolls Royce :)
Good luck with it mate
I've never really thought of being rich or famous. Just making music is enough to make me happy.
great attitude.
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2016/12/16 15:15:41
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The best way to make a small fortune in the music industry is, unfortunately, to start with a large fortune. I think it's best to NOT get your hopes up, find work that gives you time for you to make and learn music as well as funding your gear. This way you won't be forced to try and make money (which is a big creativity killer). Once you've refined what makes your music "you" then definitely use some of the advice above and get it out using free sources like YouTube. A few decades ago, with the right motivation, tons of self-learning, some unique talents, a few fortunate connections and a lot of luck, you could make a decent living. Now, not so much (ignoring the talent-less wastes of flesh that peddle horrible rubbish and pathetic opinions on people in the Top-40 pop genre which, even there requires a lot of what I said in the first sentence of this paragraph). You're obviously young, so don't let us stop you from going for it but, just realize, it's not going to be an easy road to riches by any stretch of the imagination. So, my advice, is to keep enjoying music (leaving some hope for being that one that makes it), but find another means of income so music doesn't become a burden. Good luck!
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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