craigb

 

Yes..and the other 2 guys look uncannily like SteveStrummer and Jonbouy

Hi,
 
The guy in the middle only shows what us old foggies have to put up with!

Hi,
 
We have a new answer for this impossible question!
 
Ask Yogi ... he'll have a juicy answer!

Jonbouy
As for coping and dealing with highly dysfunctional forum interactions I would suggest plenty of practice until you get really good at them, then suddenly, before you know it all your forum interactions will be highly dysfunctional without needing to even think about it.

Apparently we have a few "naturals" around here that were born with the ability, ya? 

Hi-
 
What amazes me is how negative and hateful and overtly racist and mysogynistic so many posts are. Here's one of my favorites from another DAW forum:
 
"Since women make up half the human race, and are potentially a huge market, should we try to recruit them by offering them a simpler product?"
 
That's not even the most mysogynistic post over there -- not by a long stretch. That one (I think) was just ignorant. I think the "It's only the Internet" argument is a very weak one at this point. It might have made sense 10 or 15 years ago, but "Internet bullying" is now a real thing with real consequences.  I'm concerned that this so-called anonymity brings out the worst in people. I don't think I've led a particularly sheltered life, but I had no idea how many really awful people there are out there -- or maybe they're just the most vocal. If true, that raises the question why.
 
-Susan

Susan G
...   I'm concerned that this so-called anonymity brings out the worst in people. I don't think I've led a particularly sheltered life, but I had no idea how many really awful people there are out there -- or maybe they're just the most vocal. If true, that raises the question why.
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There is no "anonymity" on the internet, and that is the worst and stupidest fantasy for anyone to think and believe.
 
These folks are on the way to shooting themselves in the foot, and what you want to do in these situations is give them a mirror, so they can take a really good look, and then go find out how much make-up they need to hide themselves, and not be found out ... guess what ... it won't work. They are not good actors at all, to fool anyone out there, and admins are not that stupid.
 
I would "report" that post to the admins. While not saying it directly, it says it indirectly and you have a right to feel touched by it, as it is indeed shameful and ridiculous ... but it tells you how much admins ignore in these forums ... but then ... Cakewalk, is not exactly helping ... how many women are shown in their list of this and that, and how much credit and thank you are they giving women around here?
 
NONE!
 
I imagine that the Coffee House, is probably the one place where you can, at least, enjoy yourself and appreciate comments.

craigb
Any woman who aspires to be the equal of man, lacks ambition.

 
I, personally, do not find this funny at all. Or even cute.
 
Considering how many art shows my own sister has done all over Europe, she still gets grossly discriminated against in America, because she is a woman, and has all these awards and shows to show for it, but no "degree" to show her capability or ability. Like 40 years worth of works is not good enough of a story and view, and in the case of one situation here in America, they did not select her, and went for a "local" that was a 2nd rate talent, and whose work was ... poor, at best ... and while I would stand up for my sister, I do think that a little respect for the "art" itself, would be more important ... it wasn't.
 
In many ways, what Susan is saying is very tough, and scary ... and it won't matter how good many of the ladies become ... we're still going to make fun of them and not appreciate them for what they do and work on. I simply found Craig's comment in very poor taste, though, I can see his point, and his desire to get a smile out of Susan, though it will probably come off backwards ... another tear, because a guy has to get the upper hand with a comment!
 
That's really sad! I may have mis-understood this whole thing, but I can relate to it ... very hard! My sister is one example. I am another ... the famous dad (the man!), and the siblings that can not possibly have any artistic value/merit at all ... they were "accidents" by the parents, I guess, and are still not appreciated by their work ... and on top of it, there is not even any inclination into appreciating any of it!
 
Sounds familiar? As opposed to making "funny" comments in lieu of real appreciation ... show your love and care, not your fake-ness!

Beagle
Pedro - do you realize that Craig's quote is actually saying that women are inherently superior to men already so they should not try to "aspire" to be less than what they already are to bring themselves down to a man's level?  

Sorry ... the wording suggests something else altogether. No disrespect intended, and I can see that, but in light of Susan's post, I think that it was insensitive. I am not saying Craig is wrong ... I'm just saying that for me it felt incorrect and poor in judgment.

kennywtelejazz
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My Mom was so ahead of her time , I am often amazed as I get older at how she carried herself and navigated through her life and all the various social issues she had to contend with …
 
My Mom Rocked …
 
I mean this with total love and respect when I say this …
 
No matter how hard I may try , I will never be half the man my Mom was 
 
God rest her soul , 
 
Kenny

Kenny,
I see an opportunity for you to increase your odds of success in obtaining cute girl's phone numbers.
 
j/k - My mom was pretty awesome too.
 
 

Moshkito...
I would "report" that post to the admins. While not saying it directly, it says it indirectly and you have a right to feel touched by it, as it is indeed shameful and ridiculous ... but it tells you how much admins ignore in these forums ... but then ... Cakewalk, is not exactly helping ... how many women are shown in their list of this and that, and how much credit and thank you are they giving women around here?
 
NONE!...

Hi Pedro-
 
I didn't report that post (and again, that wasn't in a Cakewalk forum, just to be clear,) but I did reply to it.
 
I can't remember ever seeing a female promoting any feature of any DAW except as a singer. Cakewalk follows in that tradition (happy to hear if I'm wrong.)
 
See: http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/Features#start
 
Years and years (and years!) ago, Turtle Beach used one of those busty cartoon images of a scantily-cald female you typically see on a truck's tire mud flaps to promote their soundcards. I never saw the connection and told them they might be alienating potential customers. They cared deeply ;)!
 
I think *SOME* guys still consider DAWs to be their domain--a boys' club--for whatever reason and won't even accept advice or suggestions from a female until a guy chimes in with exactly the same advice. It's weird, but I've seen it happen for years.
 
Thanks-
 
-Susan

An older BBC News article titled ,
 
 Why are female record producers so rare ?
 
http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-19284058
 
Kenny

Moshkito
 

No wonder no one listens to Kate Bush and many other ladies ..

The 'Before the Dawn' concert tickets sold out in 15 mins, so I think plenty of people still listen to her.

drewfx1

Susan G
 
I can't remember ever seeing a female promoting any feature of any DAW except as a singer.

Hi Susan,
 
This isn't for a DAW but this video just happened to be released today/yesterday and I posted it earlier in another thread and your post made me think of it.
 
It's for Moog's brand new semi-modular synth - definitely not a "simplistic" product - and 2 of the 3 artists in it are women and, well, nothing at all seems to be made of that fact. So perhaps there is some hope:
 
www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCJacEzcU7A
 

Hi Drew-
 
Oh, wow, thank you so much for that--really, truly! As you said, the fact that "nothing at all seems to be made" of the fact that two of the three artists are women is huge, IMO! I remember the first time I saw a feminine pronoun used (just dropped in, casually) in a User Manual (it was Geoffrey Francis' REAPER Guide, IIRC) and I was like "Thank you! Maybe it won't always be 'he, him,' forever more!"
 
I also appreciate the fact that those women look like real, regular women, and not like "Oh, these babes are gonna appeal to our male audience."
 
Bravo!
 
-Susan