How many would consider buying an I-Pad if it could do THIS with Sonar X1?

A1MixMan


I don't want to get in trouble for posting this here, because I only would love to have an I-Pad app like this. And I don't even own an I-Pad. But I would if Sonar had something like this for X1, heck I'd even pay for the app as long as it worked really well: 
 
http://www.presonus.com/news/press/Detail.aspx?NewsID=153
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And this even supports Sonar and is out now for the I-Pad:
 
http://saitarasoftware.com/Site/AC-7_Core.html
 
So my main question would be
 
Are the Cakewalk people thinking about this and what is the possibility that X1 or even X2 would have a Custom  I-Pad app.
 
And if, I, buy an, I-Pad, doesn't that make it an I-Paid?
 
I getting dizzy...
 

I think it's worth pointing out that this app basically drives their hardware mixer and AFACT doesn't have much, if any, functionality related to the DAW per-se.

Brandon,

Not to get personal with you or any Cake employees, but could you guesstimate the ratio of all Cake employess who own an I-Pad to those who don't?

I would really love to know the answer to that. I am still considering buying one.

Still, Brandon, it would be very handy (pun intended).  But make it for android - I just picked up a 10 incher, with USB.

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Still, Brandon, it would be very handy (pun intended).  But make it for android - I just picked up a 10 incher, with USB.

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Which one did you get?

I really wouldn't care which device it's for. Most likely if there ever were such an app by Cakewalk for X1, it would be device independant I would think.

Just the thought of it with the new X1 features would be really cool.

I think it's just a matter of time before this is offered and by most DAWs. I kind of expect that Presonus will do the same thing for Studio One soon.
 
 I've tried the AC7 Core on my iPad and found it to be amusing and somewhat useful but for me, I still find it quicker to just manipulate the controls via mouse. Since there is no tactile feel, you have to take your eyes off of the computer screen to look at the iPad in order to make adjustments and I don't really find that any more productive.
 
If you already have an iPad, then I think it's worth a try to see if it works for you, but I definately wouldn't recommend buying an iPad for just this purpose. Just my opinion.
 
FWIW, TouchOSC for iPad, iPhone, iPod, and android is an AMAZING touch interface. It is completely configurable. You can create custom layouts with many different controls. The only bummer about it is that it is OSC not MIDI, this means you need another peice of software to do the OSC to MIDI translation, right now the only software for Windows that I have been able get to work for this is Pure Data, and it is NOT user freindly. The software used to do this translation on Mac systems is called Osculator, it is supposedly much more simple to use than Pure Data. The developer of Osculator has announced that the next major release will be for both Mac and Windows. Once that happens, the sky is the limit. I will probably build a custom touch interface for each of my plug-ins.
 
Check out MidiTouch for the iPad as well. It's not nearly as developed as TouchOSC yet, but it is native midi and you can build custom touch interfaces on the fly right on the iPad.

Hah! I refuse to own an Android device. Loving my trusted iPhone tho

Anyway, a wireless app for remote control or just a control surface would be cool. They just shut down developement of the Jazz Mutant Lemur so I guess a pad of sorts will have to do if you want touch screen interface. However, there's something about real knobs and faders too... but they can get expensive..

And i own several Android devices but refuse to ever buy an Apple device again. I have a cheap Android pad that I use VNC to control Sonar with and there will be controller software soon.

Actually I can't ever see my buying a tablet.   I already have a desktop, labtop, and mobile phone.  

To be honest, I woudn't have even bought the laltop, except I need it when I go places for my CPA clients.

Desktops are faster, and cheaper.   And a phone fits in my pocket.   I'm just not sure what  space a tablet would fill.

Note I don't peform live or tour, so that will never be an issue for me.


As for phones I've been very happy with my droid.  I love the fact that gmail is so easy to get to now.

ADM3


I think it's just a matter of time before this is offered and by most DAWs. I kind of expect that Presonus will do the same thing for Studio One soon.
 
 I've tried the AC7 Core on my iPad and found it to be amusing and somewhat useful but for me, I still find it quicker to just manipulate the controls via mouse. Since there is no tactile feel, you have to take your eyes off of the computer screen to look at the iPad in order to make adjustments and I don't really find that any more productive.
 
If you already have an iPad, then I think it's worth a try to see if it works for you, but I definately wouldn't recommend buying an iPad for just this purpose. Just my opinion.
 
FWIW, TouchOSC for iPad, iPhone, iPod, and android is an AMAZING touch interface. It is completely configurable. You can create custom layouts with many different controls. The only bummer about it is that it is OSC not MIDI, this means you need another peice of software to do the OSC to MIDI translation, right now the only software for Windows that I have been able get to work for this is Pure Data, and it is NOT user freindly. The software used to do this translation on Mac systems is called Osculator, it is supposedly much more simple to use than Pure Data. The developer of Osculator has announced that the next major release will be for both Mac and Windows. Once that happens, the sky is the limit. I will probably build a custom touch interface for each of my plug-ins.
 
Check out MidiTouch for the iPad as well. It's not nearly as developed as TouchOSC yet, but it is native midi and you can build custom touch interfaces on the fly right on the iPad.

Presonus already has a pc applet for remote control of the StudioLive board series... the same as the i-pad aplet... Everybody likes to have computer control of their' hardware... Tho I don't use it, this is what I believe AIM is for in Sonar...

I'll bet there's a way to create Sonar executable commands to run any board that supports MIDI.... I'm sure we could always go back to an old version of Sonar and create Studioware panels for anything...

It's interesting how many people are moving away from "the board" as the center of their' studio... It seems to be getting more popular to have a collection of preamps/eq's/compressors/etc. and to pick and choose to suite the track's needs... I'm not one of those myself. I much prefer to have a good board with pre's I like overall.... and then a few outboard for "special" needs... So I dream of an old Neve board.... I don't think any were made with any automation more than Flying Faders (wonderful as it is, not directly compatible with any software I know of)...

Presonus placed themselves in a good situation by creating the hardware, software for the entire process into a very nicely packaged setup...

Tho I haven't personally used it, I'm guessing the the Cakewalk/Roland V700 (Is that the right model#?) system must be similar... but hasn't yet made as big a splash...?

Tho it's far from a Neve console, the Studiolive is quite a piece of work... Tho it's got some rough edges, any artist could do far worse than this as their' i/o....

But as to automating the board? I don't really get it as I don't choose to mix thru the board.... It's virtual gadgets (eq/comp/etc.) are pretty good, but still not a replacement for the various choices I have in the box... But I can imagine someone using one live and running in sync with performance to execute automated mixing? Sounds like fun! ;-)

Keni

I hooked up the AC-7 and Sonar X1 kept crashing my iPad. Maybe X1b will fix that too! Seriously though, I prefer the touch of real faders and the touch screen offers me no sense of anything. I have to constantly stare at the iPad screen to see what is going on.

I think it's got to be a question of when rather than if Cakewalk makes an app for Sonar. However, I don't believe they should focus on trying to make it like a traditional DAW controller, like the VS700C, rather more of a replacement for the Tranzport. I don't think a touch screen would ever be fast enough for serious use in everyday DAW tasks, but as a remotely operated control surface? Hell yeah!

Ever since Frontier discontinued the Tranzport (still scratching my head - I have absolutely no idea why they'd discontinue the most useful bit of 'add-on' hardware for DAWs ever!) no one has stepped up with an adequate replacement.
Obviously WiFi clashes with drivers will be an issue for some, but I've never suffered this as I'm using an external Airport Express as my 'wireless card.' I think the sooner Cake develop apps for both the iPhone and iPad, the better. I currently have to run a 15ft powered USB extension to get a signal strong enough for my Tranzport, as my live room is a bit of a distance from the control room, and the walls are a little 'too soundproof.' It would just be so easy being able to whip out your iPhone or iPad and you're off (not that I own either at this stage - but I would buy one as soon as Cake's app is released).


Cake are busy people, and it's probably not high on their list of priorities right now (and neither should it be at this point in time!!), but it's clear there are some very knowledgeable programmers in our user base. Why not commission someone to write this app, Cakewalk retains ownership, and pays the author royalties? I'm sure several users would jump at the chance - for free too, but everyone should be paid!

I hope this idea gets some serious consideration from the boffins - care to suggest it to your colleagues Brandon?!

I'm staying away from tablets and their apps for music production. 
I'm just not a fan of them at this time. Nothing really wow's me and it's all a bit redundant. 

Thanks,

-D

How many would consider buying an I-Pad if it could do THIS with Sonar X1?

I'd be more impressed if this forum's crappy software worked with my (wife's) iPad. 


DAW control looks pretty cool, but I just downloaded the Omni TR app and I'm patiently awaiting the Omni 1.5 update.........any minute now.

SONAR X1C - with a kickstand!  That's what I'm holding out for.

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