williamcopper
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How to? Insert silence ..
Simple question, I hope -- how to add a few seconds silence at the end of an audio clip? I make audio tracks by running a bunch of midi tracks through a bunch of VSTs (kontakt). Frequently I want to work with a section, rendered using "bounce to tracks ". But then I want to modify that audio 'clip' by inserting a few seconds of silence at the end of it, so that I can use the underlying audio file and not have an abrupt ending. I can't just make the bounce selection longer, in some cases, since the music continues with material not wanted in the selection. In order to add silence I've been calling up an external sound editor just for this little purpose ... surely there's a way within sonar? [edit] btw, dragging out the end of the clip, hitting just the right spot and finding the blue bar, makes it appear that there is silence at the end, but it isn't saved into the audio file ... I suppose one could rebounce that clip, dragged out, into yet another clip .. but again there is probably a better way.
post edited by williamcopper - 2015/05/20 10:28:04
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williamcopper
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Re: How to? Insert silence ..
2015/05/20 10:55:29
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Did an internet search, apparently this has been asked before: http://forum.cakewalk.com/Insert-Silence-m2011111.aspx Got the usual crew (different folks, 5 years ago) giving workarounds and criticizing the OP for his/her abyssmal ignorance, but essentially saying that insert silence and set to zero are not Sonar functions. I used it all the time in Samplitude, SoundForge ...
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Re: How to? Insert silence ..
2015/05/20 11:14:31
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I usually just drag the last played clip out for what ever time I need. I find this very helpful when the last playing clip is midi which allows the synth time to play out the note with proper fade. Hope this helps.
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williamcopper
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Re: How to? Insert silence ..
2015/05/20 11:18:59
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Thanks, that works at the end of the piece, but it doesn't help when I want a recording of WIP, stopping somewhere in the middle of the piece ... the midi notes continue, so if the selection is extended, I'll be getting more notes ...
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williamcopper
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Re: How to? Insert silence ..
2015/05/20 11:23:12
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Dragging the clip out, then using "bounce to clips" on that dragged-out clip works, but then I get yet another audio file to wade through (just did it .... #400 from this one project). What I'm seeking, I guess, is a destructive edit of a clip's audio file ...
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Re: How to? Insert silence ..
2015/05/20 11:30:28
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Wouldn't / shouldn't Arm the track, record few seconds of silence, bounce to clips or tracks work? It doesn't work with MIDI, obviously, but it should work with audio.
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Re: How to? Insert silence ..
2015/05/20 11:50:38
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Have you tried dragging out the length of your midi tracks prior to rendering?
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Re: How to? Insert silence ..
2015/05/20 12:00:08
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I think a video I made holds a concept that will help you. It is in this thread http://forum.cakewalk.com/Navigation-Workflow-Tips-m3220999.aspx The concept that I think will help you starts at about 6:45. Just apply those concepts to your clip. You can export or bounce your clip, track, or entire project. You can have as much silence as you want. If you have any questions on how to apply these concepts to your specific situatio/need, let me know and I will help.
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Re: How to? Insert silence ..
2015/05/20 12:35:56
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Thanks Charles, I'll take a look. Perhaps I'm not clear, having again gotten a suggestion to extend the midi clip: this is for work in the middle of a project, the midi stuff goes on and on but for the moment I want a rendering only of a certain portion. And I'm not concerned with preserving reverb trails or anything like that ... just want to do what I said: add silence at the end of an audio track, and do it fast. Anything that involves 're-bouncing' the resulting audio is necessarily a many-second process ... while in samplitude, just for instance, I can "insert silence" with a simple click ... half a second and it's done. And of course, recording the silence in real time, then adding it to a clip, then re-bouncing ... sure it will work, but the time commitment is long enough that I would get distracted and come to the forum here and ask how to do it.
post edited by williamcopper - 2015/05/20 12:45:25
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Re: How to? Insert silence ..
2015/05/20 13:18:53
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You could record silence to create a clip that you place in your media library. Just before you bounce, whip that silent clip out and place it at the end, stretching/shrinking as required. Now when you bounce, this will be included.
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Re: How to? Insert silence ..
2015/05/20 14:35:25
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I thought of this, then tried something. I enable a 'volume automation', then dragged the 'end node'; a quick bounce to clips and its done. If SammyTude does it better then Steph Curry should not have been the NBA's MVP. Win or loose, King James still the better, and so is Sonar...........
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Re: How to? Insert silence ..
2015/05/20 16:10:25
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All destructive rendering of audio edits will create a new clip; there's no way around that unless you want to give up the ability undo destructive edits or close a project without saving and expect it not to be altered. I know how much you hate workarounds, but maybe this would be more palatable: - Mute the part of the MIDI clip where you want to have silence. - Bounce with the time range extended as before. - Unmute the MIDI as necessary. But I'm a little curious about the meaning of "I want to modify that audio 'clip' by inserting a few seconds of silence at the end of it, so that I can use the underlying audio file and not have an abrupt ending." How does adding silence prevent having an abrupt ending?
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Re: How to? Insert silence ..
2015/05/21 15:32:18
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Thanks for the ideas. I guess I'll get used to the extra render, not that big a deal. As to your last question, why, brundlefly, it's actually a workaround for another software creation: the way soundcloud works, anyone who listens to this wip track that ends suddenly will suddenly get started in a soundcloud recommended track ... and if you know how soundcloud works these days, that's a thing to protect your listeners from! So I always add enough silence to give an alert listener time to hit the off button.
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Re: How to? Insert silence ..
2015/05/21 15:44:58
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Ah, okay. I get it. I'm familiar with that phenomenon.
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Re: How to? Insert silence ..
2015/05/21 16:04:02
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williamcopper As to your last question, why, brundlefly, it's actually a workaround for another software creation: the way soundcloud works, anyone who listens to this wip track that ends suddenly will suddenly get started in a soundcloud recommended track ... and if you know how soundcloud works these days, that's a thing to protect your listeners from! So I always add enough silence to give an alert listener time to hit the off button.
This Soundcloud thing has been bumming me for some time now. I searched for a way to turn it off within Soundcloud (YouTube lets you turn theirs off), but no dice. It makes me not want to go to the Sonar "Songs" forum. Thank you, William Copper, for caring enough to look for a solution.
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Re: How to? Insert silence ..
2015/05/21 16:12:06
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That is actually a nice strategy. I was hoping to see a method to shut the "recommended track" off too, but now sort of wondering how much silence you can pad on the end of a song before they trim it.
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Re: How to? Insert silence ..
2015/10/19 11:46:44
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Here is a way to insert silence in Cakewalk Sonar Artist. Locate the beginning and end of the section to silence. Highlight that section like for a cut and paste but don't cut and paste. Instead got the Process -> Audio Effect -> Audio Effects. On the "Gain" sliders reduce the gain in that section to 0 (zero). Bang Zoom section is muted but not gone.
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