Kylotan
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How to deal with new plugins
So, I just installed the new 'Braintree' update to Sonar Platinum. The first thing that happens is that it says "5 New Plugins detected" (or words to that effect). What is a practical way for me to be able to act upon that, not knowing what has just been added? If one uses custom or edited FX/synth menus then these new plugins don't appear in them. If I go to the plugin manager, then I have to wade through everything and try and spot any with names I don't recognise; tricky when you have over 400 plugins there. Suggestions?
post edited by Kylotan - 2015/02/27 15:25:49
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Re: How to deal with new plugins
2015/02/27 15:00:36
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Kylotan
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Re: How to deal with new plugins
2015/02/27 15:04:47
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Yeah, I read that, but it's not exactly clear which are new VST fx, which are VST instruments, what exactly they'll be called, etc. I'm not really looking forward to having to do this manual fix-up job after every update.
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Re: How to deal with new plugins
2015/02/27 15:06:49
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I agree. That is why I do not use custom layouts.
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Kylotan
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Re: How to deal with new plugins
2015/02/27 15:26:11
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Do you use very few 3rd party add-ons? I have loads, many of which I keep around for old projects, admittedly, but there's no way I could navigate them without having classified them manually.
Ideally what Sonar would do is either somehow highlight any plugins that are new, or better still, allow me to somehow compare what plugins are in my menu with the ones that are not.
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Re: How to deal with new plugins
2015/02/27 15:30:55
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Kylotan
Do you use very few 3rd party add-ons?
IDK, the scanner reports 751 plug-ins.
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Kylotan
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Re: How to deal with new plugins
2015/02/27 15:34:44
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Haha, that's almost double what I have. So I have no idea how you keep track of them all. If I had to remember them all by name I'd go mad - so I have the FX grouped by type (broadly similar to the hierarchy Sonar comes pre-installed with) and the synths grouped as well (Drums, Electronic, Chiptunes, Orchestral/Realistic, Samplers, and Unclassified).
Still, the question remains - what do Cakewalk expect us to do?
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Re: How to deal with new plugins
2015/02/27 15:53:28
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I see a feature request:
Plugin Manager highlights plugins that are either in or not (whatever is easier) in the currently loaded layout.
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Re: How to deal with new plugins
2015/02/27 15:59:01
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Kylotan
Haha, that's almost double what I have. So I have no idea how you keep track of them all.
Some say I have a good memory. I do appreciate the way VST3's are organized. A lot of my plug-ins have VST3 format which helps.
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Re: How to deal with new plugins
2015/02/27 17:23:05
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As far as I can tell, with the Braintree update, you don't need to make any changes to your custom plugin layout. The new VSTs are updates to ones that already exist, so they should already be in your custom layout from before. The new ProChannel module, as well as the new Anderton goodies, should get added automatically.
The only manual thing you need to do is Import the new Impulse Responses into REmatrix Solo.
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Re: How to deal with new plugins
2015/02/27 17:36:55
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In Windows Explorer, and option would be to do a "*.*" or even "*.dll" search of the C:\Program Files\Cakewalk (or just Vstplugins subfolder, if no ProChannels added) and order them by creation date (you may need to right click the header and add this column). That search will drill into any subfolders contained, so use the highest level as applicable.
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Re: How to deal with new plugins
2015/02/27 18:38:14
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Dream Logic Audio
The new VSTs are updates to ones that already exist, so they should already be in your custom layout from before. It said there were 5 new ones. That usually means 5 extra. Not that I necessarily have all the existing ones in the custom layout. I've been migrating my custom layouts from 7 to 8 to 8.5 to X3 and now to Platinum, and it's always been a problem that I have to manually find any new VSTs and add them. The only manual thing you need to do is Import the new Impulse Responses into REmatrix Solo. Given that I have no idea what REMatrix Solo is, that is awkward. Is it a ProChannel thing? I don't touch the ProChannel so it doesn't bother me too much, but I don't like the fact that we have this new automatic installer which only really half-installs things.
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Kylotan
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Re: How to deal with new plugins
2015/02/27 18:41:37
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mettelus
In Windows Explorer, and option would be to do a "*.*" or even "*.dll" search of the C:\Program Files\Cakewalk (or just Vstplugins subfolder, if no ProChannels added) and order them by creation date (you may need to right click the header and add this column). That search will drill into any subfolders contained, so use the highest level as applicable.
Unfortunately that shows me no new .dlls or even any altered ones, sorry.
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Re: How to deal with new plugins
2015/02/27 18:48:44
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A few pc modules have been updated (date-wise) and that's what the new ones are.
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Re: How to deal with new plugins
2015/02/27 18:50:40
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They show up in the initial plugin scan? That's confusing.
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Re: How to deal with new plugins
2015/02/27 18:52:50
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☄ Helpfulby Kylotan 2015/02/27 19:02:23
Yes, PC modules are modified VST2 plug-ins which need to be scanned.
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Re: How to deal with new plugins
2015/02/27 19:00:29
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So that makes matters worse, as even the scan result is no good indication of whether I need to hunt around and find new plugins.
Any of the developers have anything to say on this? I can't believe everybody is struggling on with the alphabetical menu so either the only sane thing to do is use a default which is being magically and carefully merged with each update (seems unlikely), or they truly do expect us to dig through the filesystem or the plugin manager and play Hunt The VST once a month.
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Re: How to deal with new plugins
2015/02/27 19:26:36
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☄ Helpfulby Dream Logic Audio 2015/02/27 19:57:56
scook
The release PDF would be a good place to start http://static.cakewalk.co..._Braintree_Release.pdf
The only plug-in that's new is the Boz ProChannel Bark of Dog, so I don't know why it's showing 5 new effects. And that wouldn't show up in a custom menu anyway because it's a ProChannel effect, so nothing specifically in this update has done anything that would alter your custom plug-in menu. IR responses are samples for loading into convolution reverbs, you're not limited to using them with the ProChannel REmatrix. I'll install Braintree tonight and see what happens, but the ProChannel presets should show up with your other ProChannel presets. The new CA-X should appear with my other amps, and VoxTools with my other effects. The Rapture Expansion Pack should be in Rapture's browser along with the other Rapture presets.
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Re: How to deal with new plugins
2015/02/27 19:34:03
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Mine also showed 5 new effects after updating Plat.
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Re: How to deal with new plugins
2015/02/27 19:44:47
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I'm guessing the 5 new updates may be the 4 Studio Instrument plus the Cakewalk Sound Center updates?
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Re: How to deal with new plugins
2015/02/27 20:01:31
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As far as I know I didn't get an update to Sound Center or Studio Instruments. I did not install those when I installed Platinum because I already had them. I am wondering if I have to install them now to get the updates, I sure do hope not because I don't want duplicate files.
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Re: How to deal with new plugins
2015/02/27 20:03:31
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The files won't be duplicated, they should overwrite the existing installation.
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Re: How to deal with new plugins
2015/02/27 20:05:10
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Thanks scook. I am going to go for it then.
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Re: How to deal with new plugins
2015/02/27 20:11:30
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Teego, perhaps you can help be checking to see if Sonar shows 5 new plug-ins after you install the Studio Instruments and Sound Center. (Assuming you have Sonar set to Automatic Background Scan for new plug-ins.) It could help prove/disprove my theory.
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Re: How to deal with new plugins
2015/02/27 20:17:39
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Will do!
But just to clarify mine showed 5 new ones already,after doing the platinum update and the others. The only things I have not downloaded yet is the CSS and SI stuff. Doing that now.
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Re: How to deal with new plugins
2015/02/27 20:26:31
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Ahh! If yours showed 5 new plugs without installing CSS and SI, then that disproves my theory.
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Re: How to deal with new plugins
2015/02/27 21:49:56
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Still downloading. Man this is slow. It didn't take this long to download Platinum in the beginning.
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Re: How to deal with new plugins
2015/02/27 22:33:17
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Finally through, still shows 5 new plugins but the grand total did not change so I am assuming it is re reporting the ones from the earler update.
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Re: How to deal with new plugins
2015/02/27 22:37:38
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I finally downloaded everything. Yep, it took ages. I still can't see any of the Anderton stuff. The Command center says its installed (actually, I reinstalled it several times) but still no VoxTools to be seen, for example. The plug in manager can't seem to find it. Am I missing something? Are the 'Anderton Effects' something you're supposed to buy separately?
Craig says above: "The new CA-X should appear with my other amps, and VoxTools with my other effects."
Ummm... what other effects?
I've got the new "Bark of Dog" ProChannel module, though.
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Re: How to deal with new plugins
2015/02/27 22:41:35
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The "Anderton Effects" are listed in the browser under the FX Chain section in two folders "Anderton Collection" and "CA-X Amps Producer"
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