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How to eliminate the strong "S" in Hip-Hop music
I have a wind screen, but I am still getting the strong "S". By that I mean when I say words that begin or ends with "s", I get the extra hissing sound. Is there a way that can reduce the strong "s"? Maybe turning my mic down will help?
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Re:How to eliminate the strong "S" in Hip-Hop music
2011/10/21 00:57:01
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Backing off the mic can help, it depends on the mic. That can help other things, too. Some singers think they need to eat the mic in order to get the bass boost from the proximity effect, which might be OK on stage but isn't necessary in the studio - that's what you have EQ and compressors for. Turn the singer's headphones up so they don't feel the need to get right on the mic and will be more comfortable further back.
Again depending on the mic, you might get less sibilance singing off-axis. Have the performer stand to one side while singing, or place the mic above or below him. Move the pop filter so he's got a target to sing to other than the mic itself.
Sometimes you just can't avoid sibilance from a particular singer. That's when you have to get creative with your editing and effects to save the day.
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Re:How to eliminate the strong "S" in Hip-Hop music
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Silebence? One way to get the mic out of the direct exhale - put it a little above where you rap/sing, so it isn't directly in line.
As for equipment, the biggest problem could be the mic. What do you use. A lot of cheaper mics accentuate the higher freqs - just where silbence lives. In conjunction w/ offlining the mic is a good preamp w/ lots of gain. Back the mic away (room depending) and you can get a sss-less take, along with a more even (volume-wise) average sound. A preamp w/ transformer can also help round out the tone.
Try the technique and see if that doesn't solve the problem. If it doesn't, take a look at the mic frequency chart and see if you can try another mic out.
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Re:How to eliminate the strong "S" in Hip-Hop music
2011/10/21 01:15:48
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Do you know what plugins can help reduce the strong "S"?
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Re:How to eliminate the strong "S" in Hip-Hop music
2011/10/21 01:47:44
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SONAR's Vocal Strip plugin has a de-esser. I'm sure others can recommend more.
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Re:How to eliminate the strong "S" in Hip-Hop music
2011/10/21 06:42:57
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I have a wind screen, but I am still getting the strong "S". By that I mean when I say words that begin or ends with "s", I get the extra hissing sound. Is there a way that can reduce the strong "s"? Maybe turning my mic down will help?
A wind screen can encompass the whole mic. A "pop" screen is something that is on a flexible arm that goes in front of the mic. The pop screen naturally can keep someone back from the mic because you can adjust the distance from the mic. If you don't have one then I recommend getting one. They are cheap. If that is not enough then definitely going off axis is important. Hissing happens because an "ess" sound (a sibilant) is just a forceful stream of air and mics do nothing more than respond to sound pressure which is vibrating/moving air. Off axis gets you out of that high pressure stream. As others have said, a cheap mic can also be a problem. That said, a Neumann U 87 is not going to make a bad singer/rapper sound good. It will just show with stunning clarity how bad they are ;-)
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Re:How to eliminate the strong "S" in Hip-Hop music
2011/10/21 15:27:04
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How to eliminate the strong "S"
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Re:How to eliminate the strong "S" in Hip-Hop music
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Re:How to eliminate the strong "S" in Hip-Hop music
2011/10/21 15:54:11
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Here's a tip I learnt.
If it's a rapper give them a Microphone to rap in (if you can get it from the one pound/dollar shop, and paint it gold... so much the better :), do not plug in the lead (and do not tell the rapper you didn't plug in the lead).
Instead set up another microphone a short distance away, and tell them you did it for "ambient" purposes :).
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Re:How to eliminate the strong "S" in Hip-Hop music
2011/10/21 16:27:15
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Here's a tip I learnt.
If it's a rapper give them a Microphone to rap in (if you can get it from the one pound/dollar shop, and paint it gold... so much the better :), do not plug in the lead (and do not tell the rapper you didn't plug in the lead).
Instead set up another microphone a short distance away, and tell them you did it for "ambient" purposes :).
And you actually think that someone is stupid enough to fall for that and you're willing to be in the room when they figure it out?...right If the artist is far enough away from a mic to not realize that they're using it, then the sound that it captures will be useless for anything but ambience. The OP has been given some decent tips already. This response was unnecessary and frankly I find it offensive. -e.B
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Re:How to eliminate the strong "S" in Hip-Hop music
2011/10/21 16:34:15
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the de-esser module on the vintage channel works quite well for me. do hip hop, pop, r&b and some rock too.
if you only want the de-esser on it, just make sre it is the only one on.you can uusally have the threshold around 12 oclock and the frequency at 9 but fiddle from there.
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Re:How to eliminate the strong "S" in Hip-Hop music
2011/10/21 17:44:40
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Here's a tip I learnt.
If it's a rapper give them a Microphone to rap in (if you can get it from the one pound/dollar shop, and paint it gold... so much the better :), do not plug in the lead (and do not tell the rapper you didn't plug in the lead).
Instead set up another microphone a short distance away, and tell them you did it for "ambient" purposes :).
And you actually think that someone is stupid enough to fall for that and you're willing to be in the room when they figure it out?...right
If the artist is far enough away from a mic to not realize that they're using it, then the sound that it captures will be useless for anything but ambience.
The OP has been given some decent tips already. This response was unnecessary and frankly I find it offensive.
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Wow that was weird, How on earth one can take offence of a microphone technique that was actually used successfully in a studio is way beyond me (and besides I thought it was a good story). This was actually told to me by a well known name who was getting a particular problem with a rapper vocalist who couldn't get round the idea that a vocal mic in a studio isn't a stage mic in a venue. i.e. The story is true. Anyway good Lord man chill out! Offensive to who exactly? - the person you just called stupid who got a good vocal out of it? Or are golden microphones strictly off limits? Or do you think that I think all rappers are rubbish or something? It's Friday so I'll let you off pretending to be the forums administrator (i.e. I won't take offence about that last comment).
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Re:How to eliminate the strong "S" in Hip-Hop music
2011/10/21 18:06:36
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Alex Alex : and tell them you did it for "ambient" purposes :).
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Re:How to eliminate the strong "S" in Hip-Hop music
2011/10/21 18:22:15
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CakeAlexS
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Here's a tip I learnt.
If it's a rapper give them a Microphone to rap in (if you can get it from the one pound/dollar shop, and paint it gold... so much the better :), do not plug in the lead (and do not tell the rapper you didn't plug in the lead).
Instead set up another microphone a short distance away, and tell them you did it for "ambient" purposes :).
And you actually think that someone is stupid enough to fall for that and you're willing to be in the room when they figure it out?...right
If the artist is far enough away from a mic to not realize that they're using it, then the sound that it captures will be useless for anything but ambience.
The OP has been given some decent tips already. This response was unnecessary and frankly I find it offensive.
-e.B
Wow that was weird, How on earth one can take offence of a microphone technique that was actually used successfully in a studio is way beyond me (and besides I thought it was a good story). Good Lord man chill out! Offensive to who exactly? - the person you just called stupid who got a good vocal out of it? Or are golden microphones strictly off limits? Or do you think that I think all rappers are rubbish or something? It's Friday so I'll let you off pretending to be the forums administrator (i.e. I won't take offence about that last comment).
It's not my fault if you can't understand why what you said might be offensive to rap artists (not rappers) and the people that work with and respect the ones that deserve respect. Your story might get a chuckle in the pub, but up here I'm going to call it like I see it. For the record, I'll clearly state what I'm offended by: I have an issue with you implying that rap artists are stupid enough to rap into a one dollar, gold painted microphone that's not connected to anything. If its a true story (which I highly doubt), then the person that went through all that trouble (instead of teaching the artist how to properly use a microphone) is an a**hole in my book...along with anyone that supports what they did. Here's a tip on how to tell if something might be offensive in the future. Would you feel comfortable telling that story in a room full of " rappers"? If the answer is NO...then its offensive. -e.B
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Re:How to eliminate the strong "S" in Hip-Hop music
2011/10/21 18:31:44
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Yeah, my bulls__t meter was sounding alarm bells with Alex's "funny" story also. Who was this well known name Alex?
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Re:How to eliminate the strong "S" in Hip-Hop music
2011/10/21 18:44:26
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> is an a**hole in my book Woo you continue to pot kettle black.... anyway... One dollar mic and gold thing was clearly BS (he probably got a 58), but the gist of the story was true (and no I will not reveal the source, like I would, but then I would say that wouldn't I?). BTW it's easy to have a mic displayed as connected but isn't, you just connect a microphone to a wall socket and do not patch it. Maybe you've never done this, but if you've been in a recording studio with the same people for a longish period of time you tend to do stupid pranks or silly things like see who can jump tallest, and you also tend to experiment + play games.... and quite often weird non textbook stuff works (kicking in old speakers, warbling, pretend to speak backwards, get somebodies mother on the phone and record them).... This is what some people call the artistic process. > Would you feel comfortable telling that story in a room full of "rappers"? If the answer is NO...then its offensive.
One would hope a room full of rappers some would have a sense humour, or at least live and let live (I shall just take it that you are the self proclaimed representative of all rappers right now)..... well anyway this is the Cakewalk forums. Calm down and watch an non offensive episode of Family Guy....
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Re:How to eliminate the strong "S" in Hip-Hop music
2011/10/21 18:54:36
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I have a wind screen, but I am still getting the strong "S". By that I mean when I say words that begin or ends with "s", I get the extra hissing sound. Is there a way that can reduce the strong "s"? Maybe turning my mic down will help?
Take the gum out of your mouth. No, seriously, a de-esser will do alot of it but, vocal training and knowledge of mic sensitivity is more important. Using a limiter-gate on the input in the right way is another method. Breath noise is an "S" sound. Lisp ( tongue noise ) is another. If you blow air before you vibrate you will hear it. The mic picks up before you do. There are several methods, you have to train yourself to each one.
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Re:How to eliminate the strong "S" in Hip-Hop music
2011/10/21 18:58:32
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> Take the gum out of your mouth. No, seriously I am seriously offended by that comment  .
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Re:How to eliminate the strong "S" in Hip-Hop music
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Re:How to eliminate the strong "S" in Hip-Hop music
2011/10/21 19:10:45
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Well since most rapp is seriously offensive, maybe I got someones attention.
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Re:How to eliminate the strong "S" in Hip-Hop music
2011/10/21 19:25:53
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Well, try addressing it at the recording stage via techniques described above. That said, de-essers are the trick and the best part is they work on music of ALL genres!
The built in one in the vocal strip is pretty darned good. I also like Spitfish, which is free.
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Re:How to eliminate the strong "S" in Hip-Hop music
2011/10/21 19:57:41
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.....[extraneous back-pedaling deleted for brevity]
Calm down and watch an non offensive episode of Family Guy....
AHH..I C DEM IZ JUS JOKES! U SO PHUNNY!!!  -e.B  http://www.downsouthside.com/images/blocked.jpg [...now I'm calm and done here]
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Re:How to eliminate the strong "S" in Hip-Hop music
2011/10/21 20:05:50
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I guarantee my advice will work-
I know exactly what the OP is talking about -
Mic technique, mic selection, blah blah blah-
Thats all great, but truth is, the S sounds is easy to control, and it can be done inside the box- and some people just have a lot of S when they sing- Im glad I know ow to solve that problem-
I dont know how good al De-Essers work, but I love the one in the vintage Channel VC64
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Re:How to eliminate the strong "S" in Hip-Hop music
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> now I'm calm and done here
Good.
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Re:How to eliminate the strong "S" in Hip-Hop music
2011/10/21 21:30:24
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Hip Hop is music? 
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Re:How to eliminate the strong "S" in Hip-Hop music
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Re:How to eliminate the strong "S" in Hip-Hop music
2011/10/22 00:51:01
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last time i checked Hip-Hop is music and not all Hip-Hop is offensive. (i know you didnt say ALL). I personally dont like whats going on in Rap music today and that BS isnt Hip-Hop. These yougins today dont respect the culture or have any real lyrical skillz. I produce engineer and emcee, oh and the de-esser in the Vintage Channel is the truth. Heres some good Hip-Hop (with a message) that i recorded and mixed myself in Sonar. http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_3630884 Peace & Blessings
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Re:How to eliminate the strong "S" in Hip-Hop music
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Heres some good Hip-Hop (with a message) that i recorded and mixed myself in Sonar........................................... thats pretty good that man, i think your right enuff about hiphop as well now, no intellect or skills going on, same old **** rhymes, carrying gats and smoking cats and blunts, c'mon tell me something different !!!!
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Re:How to eliminate the strong "S" in Hip-Hop music
2011/10/22 17:31:04
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WHYZ: its rare that i listen to something here, but I playd your
song for the hell of it... im no fan of hip hop or rap, but I must say
your arangement/production is quite good, now the wav i playd
on my SN-10's was a little hot broken up, i could not get my faders past -10, probaly in full play back there its fine, you might wana
adjust this. jon.. oh.. do shop your music sir !!
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Re:How to eliminate the strong "S" in Hip-Hop music
2011/10/23 00:38:34
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The best way is to us a volume envelope to swoop way down on overly strong sibilance. When that's not enough, slice the audio track, shorten the beginning of the clip with the S, and then add either a volume envelope or the auto envelope tool. When it's a horrible situation, slice the track so the S is a clip of its own, and add selective EQ along with a swoop down in the volume envelope. Usually, just the volume envelope will do the job. RB
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