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The only thing that I can think of (and this is just off the cuff) is that your drum brain reads the pedal as a switch, so that when it is depressed, the closed hat note plays, and when not, the open hat plays (When you strike the cymbal.)
 I think there is a way to train or set up Sonar to do this - but I will have to refresh.
 
Brian
 
 

Thanks Brian for your help so far
 
If you find out how to do this, please post it up.
Yeah, when I press on the pedal WITHOUT letting go, it still plays an open hat like I wasn't even pressing the pedal.
And in the PRV what shows up is the note for the pedal followed by the open hats, which are supposed to be closed.

tecknot

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Kalle Rantaaho


Tecknot,
the OP wants to use the sounds of his e-drums and record each kitpiece on a separate track, he does not want to use an inserted drum synth. As he says, he has SD3 and NI drums if he wanted to do it.

If the e-drums only have one stereo audio output, that is simply not possible (unless you record one kitpiece at a time).

The way I used to do it was to use drum maps that isolated single components of the pad kit.  Does Sonar still include the drum map thing?  I use a different DAW nowadays.  Anyway, I setup a drum map for snare, another one for kick, one for all toms, one for hihat, and one for all other cymbals, so I'd end up with five tracks, three mono and two stereo.  You have to run the song five times at real time speed to get the drums dumped as audio, but after that it's done.

I got tired of doing that and now just use Superior Drummer 2 as my sound engine, and my pad kit as the controller.  In one pass I can record the midi, and then have full control over the individual components of the drum kit both in Superior, and in my DAW.   The sounds are much better and with sample sets like the Lost New York Studios Vol. 2 you get incredible room sound that is individually controllable. 

X1 still have drum maps.  If I recall correctly, not that I've been using drum maps, but I believe X1 make using drum maps easier.  I gotta go back and check it out.  But, yes, drum maps are included in X1.

The whole reason for using a drum map is to isolate the individual components of the drum kit, so you can get them recorded as audio from the Roland drum brain.  IOW, you create a drum map, but the only thing on it is the snare drum and you name that drum map "Snare Drum".  Then you do the same for the kick, toms, cymbals, and hihat.  Once you've created a set of drum maps that have the different components of the drum kit isolated, you arm a track, load up the drum map for kick, and play you midi drum track through that map, while recording the output from the Roland unit as an audio track.  Since you are using a drum map, the only thing that gets recorded is the kick, even though the midi track has the whole entire set of drums in it.  Then you load your drum map for snare, and get that recorded as an audio track.  Once you've run the song five times, each time with a different drum map and each time recording what that drum map isolates, you end up with a mixable five tracks of drums as audio, where you can then put a verb on the snare for instance without it also being on the kick, toms, cymbals, or hihat.

Stone House Studios


If you are going to go through all of that, why not just separate the midi sequence into different lanes and solo each for as many time as needed?
Seems like a lot of work creating all of those maps!  (to me)

My take on drum maps (if it matters to anyone) is that they allow you to remap one performance to different synths, and allow you to re map notes to different notes for non compatible drum programs.  (Yamaha vs GM etc.)

Brian

Making a drum map with only one note on it (like kick drum) doesn't take much time to create.  What's time consuming is running the whole song five times to get each section of the drums recorded from the Roland drum brain to audio.  Making a one note drum map takes about five seconds to create.

sharpdion23


Why not instead of recording five times, have a SD3 setup as All Synth Audio Outputs Stereo and change each Drum head to it's own channel that was created for you and just add fx to any drum head? What I see in blades video is he mapped all his drum heads and recorded and not isolated each and recorded five times.

If you want to use the sounds from a hardware based unit like a Roland V-Drums brain (not a softsynth), then unless you have more than two outputs on your V-Drums hardware and unless you have than two audio inputs on your sound card, you have to run the song as many times as you want individual drum audio tracks.

Like I said in an earlier post, I used to use my V-Drums brain as my drum sounds, and it was a hassle to get individual audio tracks, so I eventually quit using the V-Drums sounds and now use exclusively Superior Drummer 2 as my drum sound engine, and use my V-Drums pad kit exclusively as a soundless controller.  I don't even have any audio cables plugged into my V-Drums brain any longer.  Just a single midi out cable.\

When I record drums, I do it in a single live take recording only the midi.  When I record, I'm hearing Superior Drummer 2 as I hit the pads on the V-Drums, and since I run my sound card at 64 samples latency, it plays very tight with no lag, even when doing extremely fast snare drum buzz rolls.  In my DAW, I have individual Kick, Snare, Toms, Hihat, Overhead, and Room faders coming from Superior Drummer 2, so I have the full control over the kit like I did when I used the sounds from the V-Drums brain, but without all the hassle and the sounds are actually better with more articulations.
 

Stone House Studios


Uh Oh, small problem.  You see, I'm from a city 10 miles from Boston, and you're from Vancouver, and there is this cup thing . . . . . . . . .  

Lol Don't worry about that I don't even care! All I care about is getting my closed hats to work

How come my closed hat's aren't working like yours? Most of the info I have is on post #25 on this thread. I use SD3 with midi out of the brain to the in of my SPS-66

So how do you suppose I fix this?

I don't really understand that but when I go to setup->midi->ctrl it says pedal cc foot (4) HH compatabilty TD9/TD20

I think you may be able to do this using ACT (I think) because in the long run, your hardware kit is a controller.
ACT should llow you to map that pedal as a controller and work for you.
Little bit of a learning curve - but big payoff.

Brian

Stone House Studios


I think you may be able to do this using ACT (I think) because in the long run, your hardware kit is a controller.
ACT should llow you to map that pedal as a controller and work for you.
Little bit of a learning curve - but big payoff.

Brian

How does that work?

Thanks for letting us know!  Sometimes folks never close the loop!
 
Brian

WOW...