How to record midi electric drum using the kit from the drums brain?

Yes, you need to hook up a MIDI cable to it as well as the audio connections. I am installing X1 right now so I can't tell you where to find the "MIDI send" selections in it. IF it's the same as 8.5 PE then it would be in global options. Obviously the audio outs from your TD9 would be connected to your interface and then you choose corresponding tracks to record the audio from it.

Good Luck!!!

Rob

EDIT: I am confused why you mentioned you have SSD and NI drums if you plan on using your TD9 to generate the sounds there is no reason to use either of those. Unless of course you want to double up.

Hey Sharp...,

I looked up your TD9 and I am only seeing a stereo output. So there is no way to do individual drums on one take or have the sounds play back, along with the song for individual editing, from the TD9 unless you only do stereo. IF you want individual drums (for adding FX onto each specific drum) you will have to trigger one at a time, such as kick, snare, etc... so you can record them onto their own track. This is where multiple MIDI tracks such as, one for snare, one for kick, etc... come in handy. But I don't want to get ahead so let's start here...

FIRST: You need to hook up a MIDI cable from your interface (MIDI OUT) into your TD9 (MIDI IN) so your computer and the TD9 can communicate. Make sure the TD9 is set to accept MIDI data if this needs to be done.

In X1 go to Edit > Preferences > MIDI - Instruments and make sure X1 sees the TD9. If it don't see it... check the cable and be sure you hooked it up correctly. Also check MIDI - Devices and make sure the MIDI Outputs (bottom section) connected to the TD9 is checked. Close and reopen X1. It should see it now if it hadn't already.

NOW, this is where I get a bit unsure because I haven't used an outboard sound module in a while. BUT the correct thing to do next SHOULD be.... make a MIDI track and select it's "Output To = TD9" (or whatever name it is listed as) like you would SSD or NI Drums... but this would be your TD9 of course. Put a MIDI drum track into that channel for testing purposes. Now, when you hit "Play/Pause" in X1 the TD9 should be triggered. Of course you won't hear it yet because we didn't hook up the audio outputs on your TD9 to anything... yet. IF you have a drum map for the TD9 now would be a good time to select it.

The stereo output (left and right) on your TD9 needs to be hooked up to your interface so you can hear/record it. You MIGHT want to have it going to 2 separate mono tracks but that is up to you. At this point, once you turn on monitoring you should be able to hear the TD9 and you can build your song. Once it is built and you want to put the kick, snare, etc... onto their own track, this is where it gets tedious.

You will have to only trigger one instrument at a time. Start with kick I suppose. Trigger only that and put it into a MONO or Stereo track. Hit record on that track and then hit play.... do this for each drum. You could group toms and cymbals to make the process quicker and if you do they need to be on stereo tracks.

Now, unless the TD9 can do overheads and or room mics only, you will have to be creative and determine which is the best way for you to get the drum sounds into your DAW and Tweak them as you see fit. It may be best to just have the Kick, Snare on their own tracks and record the rest in stereo. This way you can control the most important sounds... at least somewhat. BUT IF you record the kick and snare in MONO you MIGHT find you need to keep them in the stereo mix for the Overhead and room sounds so they stay stereo. This is all stuff you will have to decide for yourself.

Good Luck,

Rob

Edit: made changes to better explain myself.

I wanted to add in. IF you decide this is too much work you can just have your TD9 hooked up in stereo and you don't have to record from it at all. You can just use the raw sounds and add a drum buss master type FX to that stereo track and then just let it mix (when exporting) right from the TD9. When/IF you do this you will probably have to use realtime on the mixdown... which means, when you Export > Audio be sure to uncheck/deselect "Fast Bounce."

Tecknot,
the OP wants to use the sounds of his e-drums and record each kitpiece on a separate track, he does not want to use an inserted drum synth. As he says, he has SD3 and NI drums if he wanted to do it.

If the e-drums only have one stereo audio output, that is simply not possible (unless you record one kitpiece at a time).

RnRmaChine


Hey Sharp...,

I looked up your TD9 and I am only seeing a stereo output. So there is no way to do individual drums on one take or have the sounds play back, along with the song for individual editing, from the TD9 unless you only do stereo. IF you want individual drums (for adding FX onto each specific drum) you will have to trigger one at a time, such as kick, snare, etc... so you can record them onto their own track. This is where multiple MIDI tracks such as, one for snare, one for kick, etc... come in handy. But I don't want to get ahead so let's start here...

FIRST: You need to hook up a MIDI cable from your interface (MIDI OUT) into your TD9 (MIDI IN) so your computer and the TD9 can communicate. Make sure the TD9 is set to accept MIDI data if this needs to be done.

In X1 go to Edit > Preferences > MIDI - Instruments and make sure X1 sees the TD9. If it don't see it... check the cable and be sure you hooked it up correctly. Also check MIDI - Devices and make sure the MIDI Outputs (bottom section) connected to the TD9 is checked. Close and reopen X1. It should see it now if it hadn't already.

NOW, this is where I get a bit unsure because I haven't used an outboard sound module in a while. BUT the correct thing to do next SHOULD be.... make a MIDI track and select it's "Output To = TD9" (or whatever name it is listed as) like you would SSD or NI Drums... but this would be your TD9 of course. Put a MIDI drum track into that channel for testing purposes. Now, when you hit "Play/Pause" in X1 the TD9 should be triggered. Of course you won't hear it yet because we didn't hook up the audio outputs on your TD9 to anything... yet. IF you have a drum map for the TD9 now would be a good time to select it.

The stereo output (left and right) on your TD9 needs to be hooked up to your interface so you can hear/record it. You MIGHT want to have it going to 2 separate mono tracks but that is up to you. At this point, once you turn on monitoring you should be able to hear the TD9 and you can build your song. Once it is built and you want to put the kick, snare, etc... onto their own track, this is where it gets tedious.

You will have to only trigger one instrument at a time. Start with kick I suppose. Trigger only that and put it into a MONO or Stereo track. Hit record on that track and then hit play.... do this for each drum. You could group toms and cymbals to make the process quicker and if you do they need to be on stereo tracks.

Now, unless the TD9 can do overheads and or room mics only, you will have to be creative and determine which is the best way for you to get the drum sounds into your DAW and Tweak them as you see fit. It may be best to just have the Kick, Snare on their own tracks and record the rest in stereo. This way you can control the most important sounds... at least somewhat. BUT IF you record the kick and snare in MONO you MIGHT find you need to keep them in the stereo mix for the Overhead and room sounds so they stay stereo. This is all stuff you will have to decide for yourself.

Good Luck,

Rob

Edit: made changes to better explain myself.

I wanted to add in. IF you decide this is too much work you can just have your TD9 hooked up in stereo and you don't have to record from it at all. You can just use the raw sounds and add a drum buss master type FX to that stereo track and then just let it mix (when exporting) right from the TD9. When/IF you do this you will probably have to use realtime on the mixdown... which means, when you Export > Audio be sure to uncheck/deselect "Fast Bounce."

Thanks for all the replies.
 
Right now I have both MIDI Cables pluged in correctly and when I go to Pref->Instruments, I still don't see my TD9
Here are some screenshots:


 
I Hope this helps
 

RnRmaChine


Hey Sharp...,

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FIRST: You need to hook up a MIDI cable from your interface (MIDI OUT) into your TD9 (MIDI IN) so your computer and the TD9 can communicate. Make sure the TD9 is set to accept MIDI data if this needs to be done.

In X1 go to Edit > Preferences > MIDI - Instruments and make sure X1 sees the TD9. If it don't see it... check the cable and be sure you hooked it up correctly. Also check MIDI - Devices and make sure the MIDI Outputs (bottom section) connected to the TD9 is checked. Close and reopen X1. It should see it now if it hadn't already.

Stone House Studios


You won't see your TD 9 because Sonar lists the MIDI ports, not the istruments.  You can create an isntrument for it if you like, then its name will display like the other available instruments on your first screen shot.

Brian

Are you saying I can't see TD9 in instruments list Stone? because Chine says otherwise..

I have a few controllers that go in and they are always listed. I should have did a quick hookup with my one synth so I would have been 100% sure in what to tell you.

 
The difference is that controllers usually have their own midi drivers - which show up as midi ports.  The drum machine is not a controller, and has no driver, so you must define it as an instrument and associate it with a midi port as such.  It doesn't really give any functionality, it just gives you a friendly name to look at.
If the drum module is connected, and sends midi info out, it will work.  Most older midi keyboards (midi cabled, not USB) just work because they send midi out.  Usb instruments typically come with drivers.
 
Brian

When I use sd3, I have trouble finding the right kit for the project. Can you give me some tips? especially when I want to change the sound of only one head and start to browse through all of them.
 
My problem now is that the closed hi hat doesn't record.open hi hat works, but when I step on the pedal and play the hi hat on the edge of the hat, there is no sound. When I step on the pedal and hit it on the head,  it comes out as open hat.

Glennbo

Kalle Rantaaho


Tecknot,
the OP wants to use the sounds of his e-drums and record each kitpiece on a separate track, he does not want to use an inserted drum synth. As he says, he has SD3 and NI drums if he wanted to do it.

If the e-drums only have one stereo audio output, that is simply not possible (unless you record one kitpiece at a time).

The way I used to do it was to use drum maps that isolated single components of the pad kit.  Does Sonar still include the drum map thing?  I use a different DAW nowadays.  Anyway, I setup a drum map for snare, another one for kick, one for all toms, one for hihat, and one for all other cymbals, so I'd end up with five tracks, three mono and two stereo.  You have to run the song five times at real time speed to get the drums dumped as audio, but after that it's done.

I got tired of doing that and now just use Superior Drummer 2 as my sound engine, and my pad kit as the controller.  In one pass I can record the midi, and then have full control over the individual components of the drum kit both in Superior, and in my DAW.   The sounds are much better and with sample sets like the Lost New York Studios Vol. 2 you get incredible room sound that is individually controllable. 

X1 still have drum maps.  If I recall correctly, not that I've been using drum maps, but I believe X1 make using drum maps easier.  I gotta go back and check it out.  But, yes, drum maps are included in X1.

Stone House Studios

I have a few controllers that go in and they are always listed. I should have did a quick hookup with my one synth so I would have been 100% sure in what to tell you.

 
The difference is that controllers usually have their own midi drivers - which show up as midi ports...
 
Brian

I am aware of that... I was just explaining why I forgot that the name will not show up when Sonar is sending to a MIDI device. Thanks for chiming in though Stone. It's been a while for me and I haven't had to name anything since Sonar6.

Sharp... if some MIDI notes are not working properly the drum map is not correct so I am guessing you are not building your drum track using a MIDI cable out from the TD9 and into your DAW. If you are playing a Electronic Kit to trigger the TD9 then you should do it that way.

To make it easy for you. Use your TD9 like you normally would (hooked up to your elect kit) and run a MIDI cable out from your TD9 into your DAW and record those MIDI notes with Sonar. Once done building the drum midi data you can hook it back up, out from the DAW into the TD9. The recorded MIDI data should work perfectly without the need to change anything or use a drum map.

A map is really only needed to change MIDI recorded with one setup in mind and alter it to another.... such as. IF I recorded my MIDI data with Superior Drummer 2 in mind and now I want to Change to NI drums. A remap saves the work of going in and changing things manually.

Rob

I didn't even think of driving the TD9 with the Midi data. Highly doable and the way to go if you want those drum sounds. After you line up the midi ports to the TD9's midi in port, make sure sure you turn on local control on the TD9 and disable the input monitoring on the tracks that you entered the midi data on. Otherwise you get a midi loop which is not desirable. There may be a slight offset in timing due to the round trip latency involved that you will have to compensate for. Nudge it to the proper start time and it should line up fairly well.

Crg


I didn't even think of driving the TD9 with the Midi data. Highly doable and the way to go if you want those drum sounds. After you line up the midi ports to the TD9's midi in port, make sure sure you turn on local control on the TD9 and disable the input monitoring on the tracks that you entered the midi data on. Otherwise you get a midi loop which is not desirable. There may be a slight offset in timing due to the round trip latency involved that you will have to compensate for. Nudge it to the proper start time and it should line up fairly well.

Actually, Speedy, the first three replies addressed using the sounds from the TD9.  And you turn local control off, not on, 
 
Brian

This really has been covered -
1st question - In what synth are you getting an open hat instaead of a closed?
 
The answer is that you can change the output note via your hardware (maybe) or you can map whatever midi note it is sending to a closed hat sound on any drum synth you own via a drum map, or you may be able to remap your synth if it allows.
 
Or, you can change the notes after the midi recording is done - and then they will cause a closed hat to play instead of an open.
 
The trick is knowing what midi note # is being sent from your hardware that you think should be playing a closed hat.
 
Brian

Stone House Studios

Crg


I didn't even think of driving the TD9 with the Midi data. Highly doable and the way to go if you want those drum sounds. After you line up the midi ports to the TD9's midi in port, make sure sure you turn on local control on the TD9 and disable the input monitoring on the tracks that you entered the midi data on. Otherwise you get a midi loop which is not desirable. There may be a slight offset in timing due to the round trip latency involved that you will have to compensate for. Nudge it to the proper start time and it should line up fairly well.

Actually, Speedy, the first three replies addressed using the sounds from the TD9.  And you turn local control off, not on, 
 
Brian

When you're driving the TD9 with Midi data from recorded tracks, recording the audio outputs of the TD9, you turn local control on. Perhaps you're refering to recording the midi data? That would be be when turn local control off.

Crg

Stone House Studios

Crg


I didn't even think of driving the TD9 with the Midi data. Highly doable and the way to go if you want those drum sounds. After you line up the midi ports to the TD9's midi in port, make sure sure you turn on local control on the TD9 and disable the input monitoring on the tracks that you entered the midi data on. Otherwise you get a midi loop which is not desirable. There may be a slight offset in timing due to the round trip latency involved that you will have to compensate for. Nudge it to the proper start time and it should line up fairly well.

Actually, Speedy, the first three replies addressed using the sounds from the TD9.  And you turn local control off, not on, 
 
Brian

When you're driving the TD9 with Midi data from recorded tracks, recording the audio outputs of the TD9, you turn local control on. Perhaps you're refering to recording the midi data? That would be be when turn local control off.

Local control defines whether or not the hardware synthesizer (after all, it is just a drum synth) can be controlled by its attached controller.  If you have both midi out and midi back in connected, and you are recording or monitoring through your DAW, you turn local control off so that the synth won't get two sets of data (one from the controller and one from the DAW.)
If you are not playing, then local control status doesn't matter. If you do not have midi input echo on in Sonar, then it doesn't matter. If you do not have the midi in cable attached, then it doesn't matter.
 
So, if you have both midi I/O connected, it is recommended that you leave local control "off" snd midi echo "on" so that the data can only come from Sonar.  If you are just using your drum kit to run sounds from a soft synth, then leave the midi in cable unplugged and don't worry about local control at all!
 
Brian

The only thing that I can think of (and this is just off the cuff) is that your drum brain reads the pedal as a switch, so that when it is depressed, the closed hat note plays, and when not, the open hat plays (When you strike the cymbal.)
 I think there is a way to train or set up Sonar to do this - but I will have to refresh.
 
Brian