drewfx1
Personally I have no problem with Obi or any other representatives stopping by our threads and contributing.
 
But I also think there's a line between providing helpful information and let's call it "overenthusiastic promotion of products", which I don't think adds much value to a discussion here. It's nice when a vendor can confirm, correct or clarify something or provide some additional information, but their opinion of how great their own products are is of zero value to me.

Thank you, that was, basically, my point and feelings,albeit my clumsy way of professing that statement.
 
I didnt even use  the terms sockpuppet, fanboi, shill, one post vendor plant, or the like, since I didnt think they applied to my OP.

You want me on that wall, YOU NEED ME ON THAT WALL!
 
It's "The Software forum?" Its reason for being is to talk about SW? From other vendors.
 
Was this just an attempt to foment controversy? 

Kalle Rantaaho 
I read the TOS so that regular marketing material by the vendors is not allowed.

Define Regular marketing material,, there is a thin line
 
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It's "The Software forum?" Its reason for being is to talk about SW? From other vendors.
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Talk and discussion is good, sock-puppetry is not
 
OHGRANT observed the situation, although I would not point at that particular vendor.
 
I am not calling for censuring I think the advertising needs to be toned down a bit...
 
theres KVR, Gearslutz, HC and the like where vendors can hawk their wares and quote the slick marketing ad copy.
 
Speaking of such, some of you guys suggest THIS subforum is the only place you learn about such new products, there are email lists you can sub to, or you can read the IK forums, NI forums, Arturia,Waves, DUC, KVR, GS, The Womb, etc....

The way I look at it is, if anyone wants to come on here and promote their music related software it's no skin off my nose, and if Cakewalk aren't bothered by it then everything's sweet.

I have to say I'm with Make Shift and Sharke on this - I find it very convenient (and time saving) to have new software / upgrades / experiences with software,  mentioned on one site, in fact this site - a great deal of the software has to work inside a host (our host in most instances being Sonar) so I can't really see how there is any problem at all - if someone finds a good bit of software which enhances our Sonar experience as a whole, surely that's a good thing, even if said product is not a Cakewalk product??
All seems a bit of a storm in the proverbial tea cup to me.
Cheers
Nigel
 

ohgrant
I'm sure Obi will be back he always comes back. That was actually a pretty mild episode. I was pretty much able to predict just about everything as it was going down. The one thing that bothered me the whole time was, why does he keep falling for the same trap?  Next time just for the heck of it, I'm going to shoot off a "don't go for it Obi... it's a trap!" PM when I see an obvious trap, and see if changes anything.
 
 I really am growing to like Obi, even when he gets riled like that, maybe even more so.. But I'm no damn good sometime I do confess.

Maybe, I'm still debating with my colleagues about this thread: http://forum.cakewalk.com...Racks-m2869558-p2.aspx

? Why instigate things?

Thanks to those that do want me around, I appreciate it.

I've no bone to pick with IKM (and really, not with anybody except maybe those Dub Turbo spammers).
 
But I'm wondering why the IK guys are so often assaulted on forums, especially on KVR? Granted, sometimes that's an unfriendly place, but most other vendors are treated better. Some, like Urs Heckmann and Sean Costello, are rock stars in KVR-Land.
 
What would Obi and Peter have to do to get that kind of respect? Just wondering.

bitflipper
What would Obi  have to do to get that kind of respect? Just wondering.

Stop assuming that this audience is hot for Slash's tones or realize that (almost) none of us care about iXXXXX products?

bapu

bitflipper
 
 
What would Obi and Peter have to do to get that kind of respect? Just wondering.

Release ST3 free to existing customers?

+1 ...cuz that's the ONLY way they're gonna get me in on  it...and that might get me to buy the other stuff...it would show
some good faith to those of us who have been hoodwinked by an un-updated for 4 year product...but they won't...
They'll sell it....to others..not me...

bitflipper
I've no bone to pick with IKM (and really, not with anybody except maybe those Dub Turbo spammers).
 
But I'm wondering why the IK guys are so often assaulted on forums, especially on KVR? Granted, sometimes that's an unfriendly place, but most other vendors are treated better. Some, like Urs Heckmann and Sean Costello, are rock stars in KVR-Land.
 
What would Obi and Peter have to do to get that kind of respect? Just wondering.

 
Are you serious, Bit man?  How about acting in a professional, respectful manner, for starters.  Respect your customers and you'll get respect.  Real customer service personnel would never even think of arguing, attacking, and insulting their customers in a public forum.  They wouldn't proudly proclaim that the era of "THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT" is over.  They wouldn't accuse people who question their business practices (which, you must admit, are highly questionable) of having some hidden agenda or other "issues."  They wouldn't answer customer complaints with snide and sarcastic remarks.  They wouldn't state that a problem a customer is having couldn't possibly happen (effectively calling him a liar).  And they wouldn't come onto another company's forum and berate their customers there, too.  You can be sure they'd never allow CW reps to come on their site and pull that kind of crap.
 
If you think I'm exaggerating about any of this, I can point you exactly to where all these things happened, all within the last few days, all in public, some on this very forum.  I am not making it up.  Pretty surreal that company reps who supposedly are paid to help their business seem to think that being obnoxious does them any good.  How does such behavior increase sales or goodwill?  I don't get it. 
 
Contrast the IK Way with how folks from other companies do things.  Costello, Heckmann, Gamble, Slate, Carnes, Sardo, Breebaart, Frenzel, and other devs (not to mention shopkeepers Belmont and Dahlberg) are "rock stars" because they ACT PROFESSIONAL and COURTEOUS toward customers, both prospective and current.  If IK would do the same, they'd get a lot more respect, I'm sure.
 
Cheers,
Eddie
 

vintagevibe

bapu

bitflipper
What would Obi  have to do to get that kind of respect? Just wondering.

Stop assuming that this audience is hot for Slash's tones or realize that (almost) none of us care about iXXXXX products?

How do you know they are not hot for Slash's tone?

IIRC almost no one (who responded) in the announcement thread seem interested. Especially me and its all about iMe.

vintagevibe
But there may be a million teenage kids that bought that in which case IK would be idiots not to focus on it.

I concede that your "may be" is stronger than my observation.

The TOS is there so nike and pleas from Liberia etc. can be banned/deleted w/o a lawsuit following about freedom of speech.  It is also there so other DAW makers don't legally come slag Cakewalk or poach customers officially.
 
What it does allow is obi and smaller guys who don't produce directly competing products to bump their products.  And us users to say w/ use X product w/o fear of getting banned etc.
 
It is all rather common sense, but the boiler plate is necessary.
 
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The TOS is there so nike and pleas from Liberia etc. can be banned/deleted w/o a lawsuit following about freedom of speech.  It is also there so other DAW makers don't legally come slag Cakewalk or poach customers officially.
 
What it does allow is obi and smaller guys who don't produce directly competing products to bump their products.  And us users to say w/ use X product w/o fear of getting banned etc.
 
It is all rather common sense, but the boiler plate is necessary.
 
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