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Re: I HATE take lanes. 2018/05/16 12:33:03 (permalink)
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.... I can see where complex variations have caused issues for some.

I admit I got a chuckle from this Geoff. Good thing you are not running tape! Try finding your best take then

Oh the things we take for granted with computers.



^^^Yes!
 
I could see how comping a 12 mic drum set-up could prove troublesome.  I have even wished that when comping two or three trks of guitar I could comp all the trk at the same time. I mean they are all identical. They were recorded from the same player at the same exact time, just from different sources. So what I select in one trk, I will want to do it in the other two also.
 
So if the Bakers could come up with some sort of 'Group Comp' that would be fantastic!

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Re: I HATE take lanes. 2018/05/16 14:37:48 (permalink)
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mettelus

.... I can see where complex variations have caused issues for some.

I admit I got a chuckle from this Geoff. Good thing you are not running tape! Try finding your best take then

Oh the things we take for granted with computers.



^^^Yes!
 
I could see how comping a 12 mic drum set-up could prove troublesome.  I have even wished that when comping two or three trks of guitar I could comp all the trk at the same time. I mean they are all identical. They were recorded from the same player at the same exact time, just from different sources. So what I select in one trk, I will want to do it in the other two also.
 
So if the Bakers could come up with some sort of 'Group Comp' that would be fantastic!




This is precisely what is driving me to Reaper.  Recording a 9 mic live drum setup to 9 audio tracks, usually 3 takes or more per track.  When I want to comp a section of a performance, that's 9 tracks to go through, instead of just grouping them together for a single comp operation.  Live drum recording is too tedious and laborious to do in Cakewalk and is a non-starter for me.  All of my projects are in Sonar, so that function would be great.
 
 
 
 

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Re: I HATE take lanes. 2018/05/16 15:27:07 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Voda La Void 2018/05/16 15:40:22
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mettelus

.... I can see where complex variations have caused issues for some.

I admit I got a chuckle from this Geoff. Good thing you are not running tape! Try finding your best take then

Oh the things we take for granted with computers.



^^^Yes!
 
I could see how comping a 12 mic drum set-up could prove troublesome.  I have even wished that when comping two or three trks of guitar I could comp all the trk at the same time. I mean they are all identical. They were recorded from the same player at the same exact time, just from different sources. So what I select in one trk, I will want to do it in the other two also.
 
So if the Bakers could come up with some sort of 'Group Comp' that would be fantastic!




This is precisely what is driving me to Reaper.  Recording a 9 mic live drum setup to 9 audio tracks, usually 3 takes or more per track.  When I want to comp a section of a performance, that's 9 tracks to go through, instead of just grouping them together for a single comp operation.  Live drum recording is too tedious and laborious to do in Cakewalk and is a non-starter for me.  All of my projects are in Sonar, so that function would be great.
 
 
 
 


Yet another feature request that we already have.
 
Put the tracks that you want to be grouped into a folder. Then in "Record Preferences " under "Multi-track grouping" (at the bottom of the page) select "Group only clips in folders".
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Re: I HATE take lanes. 2018/05/16 15:42:43 (permalink)
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Yet another feature request that we already have.
 
Put the tracks that you want to be grouped into a folder. Then in "Record Preferences " under "Multi-track grouping" (at the bottom of the page) select "Group only clips in folders".




What version of Sonar is this available in?  I have X1 and was considering downloading the free CbB SPLAT version.  

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Re: I HATE take lanes. 2018/05/16 15:50:07 (permalink)
CbB multi-track grouping preference setting help is here. This drop down first appeared in X3.
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Re: I HATE take lanes. 2018/05/16 16:56:22 (permalink)
X1(Expanded) does have clip grouping. It does not have the group in folders option that is in X3-CbB. 
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Re: I HATE take lanes. 2018/05/16 17:21:50 (permalink)
Thanks for that Base57 and Scook. I have always had mine set to no grouping due to me always copying and moveing drum clips around, I did not want things grouped for fear of making a change to one and they all would change.
 
I am in the process of seeing how well this works with comping.

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Re: I HATE take lanes. 2018/05/17 05:01:51 (permalink)
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Yet another feature request that we already have.
 
Put the tracks that you want to be grouped into a folder. Then in "Record Preferences " under "Multi-track grouping" (at the bottom of the page) select "Group only clips in folders".




What version of Sonar is this available in?  I have X1 and was considering downloading the free CbB SPLAT version.  



X3 was way ahead of X1...let alone CbB (nee Platinum).

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Re: I HATE take lanes. 2018/05/17 14:28:04 (permalink)
I have learned to like take lanes once I found my best use for them, which is to comp parts of various takes into one final version, and doing it the speed-comping way (just click drag over the parts you want, seems to work well, with only occasional glitches (random loud noises generated instead of a crossfade, for example). I do depend on them for this purpose only.

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Re: I HATE take lanes. 2018/05/22 23:27:58 (permalink)
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Now they pile up to the sky. An interesting measure of practice time.

I admit I got a chuckle from this Geoff. Good thing you are not running tape! Try finding your best take then
Oh the things we take for granted with computers.



I barely even consider takes. I spend a lot of time creating songs for guitar lessons through ArtistWorks.com. I do it little by little then upload a video to the teacher (Andreas Oberg). He tells me how I might suck a little less and I go do that for a month or two. :-)
 
To me, it's fun to have someone make me videos back showing me tricks. I did this once with Danny Danzi for mixing. It's really handy to have someone talk to you about something you worked on.
 
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The kinda thing that might mike the uptight blanch and leave.
 
I have no idea who to take lessons from for that. :-) I saw a bass player at artist works I thought would do the trick but I wasn't ready to leave Andreas yet. I've been just picking Jazz tunes and making takes on them.
 
Andreas is quite focused on the actual guitaring. I'm working on that. :P
 

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Re: I HATE take lanes. 2018/05/26 19:26:38 (permalink)
Then don't use em! 
 

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Re: I HATE take lanes. 2018/05/27 20:30:57 (permalink)
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Another irrational behavior:
I recorded a few takes in a loop, promoted take 4 to parental track. Closed take lane view and in the track view i moved the clip let's say 4 measures forward. Only take 4 track lane got moved. The rest of them stayed in the original place. So, now I have two clips in the parental track, one is greyed out... If I decide that take 3 will be better in the new place, well, tough luck because take 3 stayed in original position.
All take lanes should be moved or copied with the parental clip.
This is a horrible mess.
 


If you want to move multiple takes to another location with each other you need to select [highlight] each lane for them to all move/drag together.
 Select each take by holding the "Ctrl" key down while left clicking on each take you want to move. Release Ctrl key and drag any one clip and the rest will follow.
 I would also highly advise disable "snap to grid" and splitting and trimming the sections of the takes you want to move to avoid making horrible messes.
 I've never experienced any clips disappear, they just mute as you record another take over it.
 I would also advise any clip that you want to make into a loop should be dragged into it's own new audio track before looping to avoid making other horrible messes.
 
I love speed comping, used properly it can be a very effective, fun and fast way to create new inspirations and, well compositions..
 
Just stay calm, breath in, breath out, it'll take some getting used to, and practice makes perfect.
Or not, you don't even have to use them if they make you angry.

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