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2016/11/17 03:15:40 (permalink)

I dreamt of wires!

Blimey...
 
I never thought I'd be doing this, and I had even bought Reaktor 6 last month, just to "dabble" with modular synthesis.
 
Then, for reasons I cannot clearly remember, my eldest son planted the modular hardware seed, and it took.
 
We went "halvers" on a Doepfer "basic system" and it arrived yesterday.
 
Just to see if it worked okay, I quickly knocked up a patch, just to get some noise out of it:-
 
https://soundcloud.com/nortorknys/it-makes-noise
 
Lots to do now... And if I thought GAS was a problem before..............

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Re: I dreamt of wires! 2016/11/17 04:26:39 (permalink) ☼ Best Answerby synkrotron 2016/11/17 04:27:09
Wires can be good! 
 
(I'm about to dream of becan.)

 
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Re: I dreamt of wires! 2016/11/17 04:28:30 (permalink)
Mmmm... Not had Becan for a while... My better half went off it for some totally unexplained and utterly strange reason...

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Re: I dreamt of wires! 2016/11/17 08:50:41 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby synkrotron 2016/11/17 10:20:54
This modular thing is a slippery slope which will aggravate your GAS Andy.  You will find yourself thinking now if I just add that module what will I be able to do?

Enjoy and remember take notes and close up pictures of your patches and module settings it is the only way.

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Re: I dreamt of wires! 2016/11/17 10:24:45 (permalink)
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Enjoy and remember take notes and close up pictures of your patches and module settings it is the only way.



Indeed!
 
Kinda weird... You get so used to saving presets on our hardware and software synths... Takes me back to the times when I have a Juno, Multimoog and SH-101 and having to make notes of fave sound setups. Mind you, at least the options where not as great with hard wired synth and after a while I didn't bother any more as I instinctively knew how to create the sound I wanted.
 
 
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Re: I dreamt of wires! 2016/11/17 10:59:22 (permalink)
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Mmmm... Not had Becan for a while... My better half went off it for some totally unexplained and utterly strange reason...


Your other half?  Is that your HH or your HW?
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Re: I dreamt of wires! 2016/11/17 12:58:29 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby synkrotron 2016/11/17 14:44:01
Welcome to the club!
 
Let me know if you have any euro-related questions. And if you aren't already aware, MW has the gold forum for this kind of thing:
 
https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=16
 
 
Wookiee
Enjoy and remember take notes and close up pictures of your patches and module settings it is the only way. 




Interestingly, there's a school of thought that I adhere to that anything achieved is ephemeral and to just embrace that.

 In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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Re: I dreamt of wires! 2016/11/17 13:00:54 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby synkrotron 2016/11/17 14:44:04
And always remember the first question of modular: "What happens if I modulate that at audio rate?" 

 In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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Re: I dreamt of wires! 2016/11/17 14:02:49 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby synkrotron 2016/11/17 14:44:07
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Lots to do now... And if I thought GAS was a problem before..............




I should also post this in case you aren't already familiar:
 
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/modules/browser?SearchName=&SearchVendor=&SearchFunction=&SearchSecondaryfunction=&SearchTe=&SearchTemethod=max&SearchBuildtype=b&SearchLifecycle=&SearchSet=&SearchMarketplace=&SearchIsmodeled=0&SearchShowothers=1&SearchShow1u=0&order=newest
 
Aids in your GAS by enabling you to not only search for things across the extraordinary number of modules available, but also create virtual racks of modules to plan, wish for, and move stuff around to visualize different layouts.

 In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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Re: I dreamt of wires! 2016/11/17 14:17:19 (permalink)
That's quite a long "link" you have there Drew.
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Re: I dreamt of wires! 2016/11/17 14:17:51 (permalink)
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Wookiee
Enjoy and remember take notes and close up pictures of your patches and module settings it is the only way. 




Interestingly, there's a school of thought that I adhere to that anything achieved is ephemeral and to just embrace that.



True in some cases.



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Re: I dreamt of wires! 2016/11/17 14:40:41 (permalink)
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That's quite a long "link" you have there Drew.




Perhaps.
 
But it's not the length of the link, it's that it points to just the right place that counts.

 In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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Re: I dreamt of wires! 2016/11/17 14:43:52 (permalink)
eph221
 
Your other half?



I'm a bloke and my "other half" is my good lady, so to speak
 
Of some thirty odd years, which is quite amazing considering what an a-hole I am sometimes...

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Re: I dreamt of wires! 2016/11/17 14:48:53 (permalink)
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Welcome to the club!

 
Thanks Drew
 
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Let me know if you have any euro-related questions. And if you aren't already aware, MW has the gold forum for this kind of thing

 
Thanks, yeah, I've signed up at the MW forum
 
 
drewfx1
Interestingly, there's a school of thought that I adhere to that anything achieved is ephemeral and to just embrace that.

 
I think I can relate to that
 
Just hit record!

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Re: I dreamt of wires! 2016/11/17 14:51:10 (permalink)
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I should also post this in case you aren't already familiar:

 
Indeed, yes, I have set up a place there too:-
 
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/racks/view/362915
 


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Re: I dreamt of wires! 2016/11/17 15:25:55 (permalink)
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Indeed, yes, I have set up a place there too:-
 
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/racks/view/362915
 



That's quite a capable system already.
 
And I always had my eye on that Xpander filter but ended up going in a different direction.

 In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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Re: I dreamt of wires! 2016/11/17 15:26:03 (permalink)
Oops, double post. 
SFS.

 In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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Re: I dreamt of wires! 2016/11/17 15:58:22 (permalink)
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That's quite a capable system already.

 
Yeah, probably too capable and against popular opinion over at MW, which I can understand, but I just got fed up of looking at all those lovely Mutable Instrument, Intellijel and what ever else stuff and talked my lad into getting this so called "basic" system on the grounds that the Doepfer stuff always gets a good word on the various vids that we have watched and that the other stuff can be quite a bit more expensive. Admittedly, they do more, but can also be harder to get to grips with.
 
James insisted on the Metropolis sequencer, and I wanted something like that anyway, so that it the single most expensive item in the rack.
 
I added the Wasp filter because I used to have one of those little plastic things when they first came out. So for the sake of a bit of nostalgia
 
Still early days and there are some modules that I haven't even tried yet...

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Re: I dreamt of wires! 2016/11/17 17:22:24 (permalink)
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drewfx1
 
That's quite a capable system already.

 
Yeah, probably too capable and against popular opinion over at MW, which I can understand, but I just got fed up of looking at all those lovely Mutable Instrument, Intellijel and what ever else stuff and talked my lad into getting this so called "basic" system on the grounds that the Doepfer stuff always gets a good word on the various vids that we have watched and that the other stuff can be quite a bit more expensive. Admittedly, they do more, but can also be harder to get to grips with.

 
While admitting that I have become a huge Mutable fan, the anti-Doepfer vibe some seem to have isn't justified, IMO. The only reason I don't have more Doepfer stuff is it usually takes more space than I'd like and there's also just so much to choose from that it's almost impossible not to mix and match. But the Doepfer stuff I do have is just great and I like to use the phrase "deceptively clever" to describe many of Dieter's designs in that sometimes there's some little addition that might not seem sexy but ends up being really useful. 
 
The only thing that might be behind the perception is some of his filter "clones" might not be as accurate as some would like, even if they still sound great. The Xpander is probably accurate though, as I'm pretty sure it uses the same chip as the Oberheims from 30 years ago. Other than that, I suppose Doepfer just isn't "elitist" enough for some.
 

Still early days and there are some modules that I haven't even tried yet...




I keep thinking I ended up adding too much stuff too quickly as I have a backlog of about 8000 patching ideas I keep meaning to try, but once you sit down... 

 In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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Re: I dreamt of wires! 2016/11/18 03:57:21 (permalink)
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but once you sit down... 



LOL! Yeah... I know what you mean
 
I must admit that I am not too bothered about the clones being that accurate. I'm pretty certain that even the modern day Moog synths are not exactly the same as they used to be.
 
As long as there is at least some perceptible difference between the different filters, which is why I went for the Wasp, for instance. I was watching a mylarmelodies video last week where he looked at half a dozen different filters, each claiming to be a clone of something or other. That was interesting
 
 

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Re: I dreamt of wires! 2016/11/18 10:14:58 (permalink)
I have just started looking at this thread. I would love some modular hardware and have built many a fantasy system from http://www.synthesizers.com/  and others but I don't have the space even for a modest system (and I don't have the funds for an extensive system.)
 
VSTi to the rescue. I have XILS 4 which takes me back to my first encounters with synthesizers, I had access to a EMS synthi A suitcase model back in the 70's and it was there I learned to understand and love analogue synthesis. How authentic XILS 4 sounds I can't say after all these years but it is more stable and does not exhibit the tuning issues  that made the original more of an effects synth than a keyboard synth. Also as it emulates two EMS synths linked together it is sonically far more versatile.
 
My favourite at the moment is Softubes Modular VSTi. This is a virtual Eurorack made in conjunction with Doepher with an expanding range of modules from Doepher, Inteligel and Rolli along with a range of Softube utility modules. The great thing is you can have as many or as few modules loaded as you want, no need to clutter the GIU with unused modules and if you want 8 VCOs, no problem.
 
To my shame I have never got my head around Reaktor, I keep on meaning to try to create some ensembles but it never happens.
 

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Re: I dreamt of wires! 2016/11/18 12:18:54 (permalink)
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drewfx1
I should also post this in case you aren't already familiar:

 
Indeed, yes, I have set up a place there too:-
 
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/racks/view/362915
 





Um, it should be pointed out that you're missing something at the bottom right... 

 
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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Re: I dreamt of wires! 2016/11/18 12:42:47 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby craigb 2016/11/19 03:04:39
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Um, it should be pointed out that you're missing something at the bottom right... 




The problem is that once that hole is filled, the forces of darkness will fight with your bank account and credit cards for a new hole to appear. 

 In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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Re: I dreamt of wires! 2016/11/18 13:45:06 (permalink)
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craigb
Um, it should be pointed out that you're missing something at the bottom right... 




The problem is that once that hole is filled, the forces of darkness will fight with your bank account and credit cards for a new hole Rack to appear. 


GASsed.

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Re: I dreamt of wires! 2016/11/19 10:57:21 (permalink)
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Blimey...

I never thought I'd be doing this, and I had even bought Reaktor 6 last month, just to "dabble" with modular synthesis.
...
Lots to do now... And if I thought GAS was a problem before..............

 
I have always thought that what happened with the early "Krautrock" stuff, is not over and folks could still learn from it, and make more use of it. The only concern I have is folks taking the "sound" they find and like, and immediately turn it into a "song", instead of just fooling around with it and having fun left and right and end it when it does, regardless of any kind of format, which makes the sounds, way more attractive and versatile.
 
To me, the best Tangerine Dream, for example, was the one that was not "controllable" because of these machines and being able to set them up again the same way, in their early days in concert, which became the reason why their bootlegs were so valuable then ... everything was different! AND, way more fun to hear and enjoy!

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Re: I dreamt of wires! 2016/11/19 16:53:59 (permalink)
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eph221
 
Your other half?



I'm a bloke and my "other half" is my good lady, so to speak
 
Of some thirty odd years, which is quite amazing considering what an a-hole I am sometimes...




 
So half-wife.  I've always called lovers my half husbands.
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Re: I dreamt of wires! 2016/11/21 23:51:48 (permalink)
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VSTi to the rescue. 



Indeed Glyn, and I was already going down the VSTi route, having recently purchased the two Arturia modular offerings and more recently Reaktor 6, which is actually not as difficult as 5, I am led to believe, since they have now introduced Blocks.
 
The Softube Eurorack modular VSTi looks great, but now that I've gone down the hardware route, it is unlikely that I'll invest in that. For now at least. In fact I'm pretty sure that all of my music budget will go on hardware now
 
cheers
 
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Re: I dreamt of wires! 2016/11/21 23:52:53 (permalink)
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Um, it should be pointed out that you're missing something at the bottom right... 




The problem is that once that hole is filled, the forces of darkness will fight with your bank account and credit cards for a new hole to appear. 




That is, indeed, a problem
 
Could be on a second case before you know it haha!

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Re: I dreamt of wires! 2016/11/21 23:53:45 (permalink)
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To me, the best Tangerine Dream, for example, was the one that was not "controllable" because of these machines and being able to set them up again the same way, in their early days in concert, which became the reason why their bootlegs were so valuable then ... everything was different! AND, way more fun to hear and enjoy!



I agree... The earlier TD concerts were much more enjoyable because of that

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Re: I dreamt of wires! 2016/12/04 13:56:41 (permalink)
Been having fun with my Modular Time Machine today
 
So much fun...

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