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Re:I have become a Waves customer after all these years
2012/03/27 16:25:45
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What happens if you lose your USB, or if it is stolen? Exactly. Or if it fails. Or is accidentally overwritten. Or borrowed by one of your kids. The USB option seems to perpetuate every issue I've always had with dongles, except for the welcome elimination of the Pace component. listening to you Waves converts (especially bitflipper!) is causing me to rethink the whole Waves thing. leapinlizard, before you leap, keep in mind that many Waves products do have alternatives that don't make you jump through hoops. Everybody loves Waves' compressors, limiters and reverbs, but there's no way I would bother with the company's idiosyncracies for those kinds of garden-variety plugins. I'm only cautiously dipping my toe in for those unique Waves plugins that nobody else has.
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Re:I have become a Waves customer after all these years
2012/03/27 17:46:27
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Any of those guitar plug-ins worth it? The ones that 'bring them to life'.
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Re:I have become a Waves customer after all these years
2012/03/27 17:48:42
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You have dead guitars?
Did you try plugging in a new battery first?
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Re:I have become a Waves customer after all these years
2012/03/27 17:57:12
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I want to be a Waves customer! Everybody's doin' it. Why can't I? But no, I had to go out and buy a set of new humbuckers and wires, and a Cakewalk PC plugin and ... and... and... But there's next month and it's soooo close to the end of this one.... 
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Re:I have become a Waves customer after all these years
2012/03/27 17:58:35
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I've contacted Waves and they've said my guitars are only resting.
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Re:I have become a Waves customer after all these years
2012/03/27 17:59:16
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I've contacted Waves and they've said my guitars are only resting.
Or just "riding the waves"?
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Re:I have become a Waves customer after all these years
2012/03/27 18:06:56
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I see you can buy those collections as singles and wondered if they were any good? Collections are way over budget but I may be tempted into a guitar plug-in or two.
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Re:I have become a Waves customer after all these years
2012/03/27 18:40:40
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real guitars are way more fun.
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Re:I have become a Waves customer after all these years
2012/03/27 18:42:11
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bitflipper
leapinlizard, before you leap, keep in mind that many Waves products do have alternatives that don't make you jump through hoops. Everybody loves Waves' compressors, limiters and reverbs, but there's no way I would bother with the company's idiosyncracies for those kinds of garden-variety plugins. I'm only cautiously dipping my toe in for those unique Waves plugins that nobody else has.
I agree on the principle but in all cases, I'd advise demoing Waves against the competition. I've been demoing CLA's Classic Compressors tonight and I am simply blown away. I've tested and A/B'ed some 1176 models before and it was more or less a matter of subtle difference. A few minutes w/ the Waves one and the other almost sound as if they are broken. CLA sounds like it actually processes your signal and compresses it- it's warm and punchy. By comparison, the others almost sound as if they merely disguised your signal. I went back and double checked that I had indeed dialed the same setting a few times. One was punching it's way out of the speakers. The other did some thing to the transient and added distortion to the rest. I even bounced to MP3, launched iTune, listen and decided to go back and do a second test because I thought I couldn't be right, there couldn't be that much difference. But I got the same results. I regret to admit it, but the $ I spent on an alternative product is money I've simply wasted. The difference is that obvious.
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Re:I have become a Waves customer after all these years
2012/03/27 18:42:32
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That's what I use, batsbrew. These plugs are supposed to make the sound come alive. I reckon it's in the fingers.
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Re:I have become a Waves customer after all these years
2012/03/27 18:44:14
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Re:I have become a Waves customer after all these years
2012/03/27 18:45:14
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bitflipper
leapinlizard, before you leap, keep in mind that many Waves products do have alternatives that don't make you jump through hoops. Everybody loves Waves' compressors, limiters and reverbs, but there's no way I would bother with the company's idiosyncracies for those kinds of garden-variety plugins. I'm only cautiously dipping my toe in for those unique Waves plugins that nobody else has.
I agree on the principle but in all cases, I'd advise demoing Waves against the competition.
I've been demoing CLA's Classic Compressors tonight and I am simply blown away. I've tested and A/B'ed some 1176 models before and it was more or less a matter of subtle difference.
A few minutes w/ the Waves one and the other almost sound as if they are broken. CLA sounds like it processes your signal - the others almost sound as if they merely disguised your signal. I went back and double checked that I had indeed dialed the same setting a few times. One was punching it's way out of the speakers. The other did some thing to the transient and added distortion to the rest.
I regret to admit it, but the $ I spent on an alternative product is money I've simply wasted. The difference is that obvious.
don't try tp match settings ....this will not work the best emu on 1176 i found was the fet (softube)with lookahead angaged ....the cla comes close in blue mod .....
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Rain
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Re:I have become a Waves customer after all these years
2012/03/27 18:52:53
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Well, matching them is one thing, of course. They're all modeled after different units after all, and it's also normal that they won't sound exactly the same anyway.
Like I said, the difference between 2 1176 models never struck me as that obvious before. I'm not just talking about an average subtle difference here.
Maybe when Softube lose the dongle. ;)
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Re:I have become a Waves customer after all these years
2012/03/27 18:54:11
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OK Rain, enough beating about the bush! What was the other model?
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Re:I have become a Waves customer after all these years
2012/03/27 18:57:35
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I hate to sound like I'm bad mouthing any particular product or company, which is why I suggested at least trying Waves before buying an alternative. ;)
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Re:I have become a Waves customer after all these years
2012/03/27 19:12:49
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the cla bundle is the best buy right now at 197$ for sure ...and a solid bundle ....and the best emu out here (even if the pc2a is a better one for my use , i prefer to have vst format) i own the fet but for quik comp , the cla does it .....
the 3A is what i took the plunge ...wiked and underrated ...
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Re:I have become a Waves customer after all these years
2012/03/27 19:44:37
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+1000 on the CLA stuff.
And as to the "lost USB" question supposedly WAVES will behave like any other decent vendor from now on and just allow you to download another license...you know...actually taking your word for it. We'll see...it sounds like a heck of a concept :-)
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Re:I have become a Waves customer after all these years
2012/03/27 19:55:46
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ol pal , i still think about going fabfilter ...i can have the whole bundle at 310 euros .....but i'm also strapped already ...
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Re:I have become a Waves customer after all these years
2012/03/27 20:02:07
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Oh you can't go wrong with FabFilter. IMHO they are simply the best. But they don't have the depth and breadth of the WAVES line...yet.
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Re:I have become a Waves customer after all these years
2012/03/27 20:34:13
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What happens if you lose your USB, or if it is stolen? See this video at 4:34 time mark: http://www.wavesupport.net/content.aspx?id=4219 It has info on how to recover a lost liscense. On one of these videos somewhere I vaguely remember that it said that your could recover only one time per year, but I have not been able to find again that specific reference. On edit: Here is a video just on reactivating and recovery of lost licenses: http://www.wavesupport.net/content.aspx?id=4075 And it is at 0:53 that it says that you can only reactive/recovery only once per year.
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Re:I have become a Waves customer after all these years
2012/03/27 21:35:58
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So...if I may be somewhat tongue in cheek as well was politically incorrect...you can take the Boy out of WAVES...but you can't take the WAVES out of the boy. Better than iLok...yes. Still Massoud-like...also yes. Would that it were a perfect world. Sigh...
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Re:I have become a Waves customer after all these years
2012/03/27 21:44:20
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One step at a time, myolpal, one step at a time.
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Re:I have become a Waves customer after all these years
2012/03/27 22:38:33
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CLA Compressors, L2 and the Renaissance line are my favs. If I had more money my list might be a little longer.
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Re:I have become a Waves customer after all these years
2012/03/28 00:13:52
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I've contacted Waves and they've said my guitars are only resting. You don't happen to have the Norwegian Blue model, do you?
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Re:I have become a Waves customer after all these years
2012/03/28 05:19:14
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The very same, bit. It's pining but I can't afjord any of the collections.
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Re:I have become a Waves customer after all these years
2012/03/28 06:05:41
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Waves prices are ridiculous by 2012 standards. I don't know how they get away with it.
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Re:I have become a Waves customer after all these years
2012/03/28 07:01:37
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John T
Waves prices are ridiculous by 2012 standards. I don't know how they get away with it.
Really? The big bundles are expensive, but otherwise, and with sales - and there constantly are sales - they don't seem to be much more expensive. I bought NF Magneto last year because it didn't require iLock. But it was more expensive than Waves MPX, which would have been my first choice. And it's not the only case where the alternative is at least as expensive. Even at full price - the CLA Classic Compressors mentioned above for example, gives you 4 processors for $500. Alternatively, you can get a LA-2A or a 1176 model elsewhere for around $100 each. Which make them a little bit less expensive on an individual basis. My own take on it though is that I've somehow wasted $200 on poor models of a 2A and a 1176. I ended up almost systematically replacing them w/ my native compressor because not only it did just as well in FET and OPTO mode, but it was actually better. Now, CLA's 1176, that's a whole different story.
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Re:I have become a Waves customer after all these years
2012/03/28 07:24:25
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yorolpal
And as to the "lost USB" question supposedly WAVES will behave like any other decent vendor from now on and just allow you to download another license...you know...actually taking your word for it. We'll see...it sounds like a heck of a concept :-)
I'm wondering how people got by, back in the days when software came on a cd. Unless there was a mechanism I'm not aware of which prevented CDs from being lost or stolen or scratched or whatever and HDs never failed back then... 
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Re:I have become a Waves customer after all these years
2012/03/28 09:48:42
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John T
Waves prices are ridiculous by 2012 standards. I don't know how they get away with it.
Really?
The big bundles are expensive, but otherwise, and with sales - and there constantly are sales - they don't seem to be much more expensive.
I bought NF Magneto last year because it didn't require iLock. But it was more expensive than Waves MPX, which would have been my first choice. And it's not the only case where the alternative is at least as expensive.
Even at full price - the CLA Classic Compressors mentioned above for example, gives you 4 processors for $500.
Alternatively, you can get a LA-2A or a 1176 model elsewhere for around $100 each. Which make them a little bit less expensive on an individual basis.
My own take on it though is that I've somehow wasted $200 on poor models of a 2A and a 1176. I ended up almost systematically replacing them w/ my native compressor because not only it did just as well in FET and OPTO mode, but it was actually better. Now, CLA's 1176, that's a whole different story.
+1 Even the bundles are not that expensive when you break it down. People look at the Mercury Bundle price tag of $3700 and figure that is out to lunch! But you are getting 130+ plug ins with that price tag, so that breaks down to less than $35 each. For the professional studio - they may spend that much on a single pre-amp. Having 130 high quality FX (that can be used multiple times unlike hardware) is not as expensive as it may first appear.
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Re:I have become a Waves customer after all these years
2012/03/28 11:24:43
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Rain
John T
Waves prices are ridiculous by 2012 standards. I don't know how they get away with it.
Really?
The big bundles are expensive, but otherwise, and with sales - and there constantly are sales - they don't seem to be much more expensive.
I bought NF Magneto last year because it didn't require iLock. But it was more expensive than Waves MPX, which would have been my first choice. And it's not the only case where the alternative is at least as expensive.
Even at full price - the CLA Classic Compressors mentioned above for example, gives you 4 processors for $500.
Alternatively, you can get a LA-2A or a 1176 model elsewhere for around $100 each. Which make them a little bit less expensive on an individual basis.
My own take on it though is that I've somehow wasted $200 on poor models of a 2A and a 1176. I ended up almost systematically replacing them w/ my native compressor because not only it did just as well in FET and OPTO mode, but it was actually better. Now, CLA's 1176, that's a whole different story.
+1
Even the bundles are not that expensive when you break it down. People look at the Mercury Bundle price tag of $3700 and figure that is out to lunch! But you are getting 130+ plug ins with that price tag, so that breaks down to less than $35 each.
For the professional studio - they may spend that much on a single pre-amp. Having 130 high quality FX (that can be used multiple times unlike hardware) is not as expensive as it may first appear.
I paid $2352 for Mercury during a sale. So I paid $18 per FX.
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