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2017/04/25 17:04:42 (permalink)

I have tried for HOURS and HOURS to be able to record from my mike.

The mike is good and so is the connection it would seem since I got recorded using the mike and M-Audio using Windows "Voice Recorder". I can't get ANY signal into Sonar X2, however. I have included what my preferences look like. PLEASE help! Thanks so much!

 

 
 
 
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Re: I have tried for HOURS and HOURS to be able to record from my mike. 2017/04/25 17:06:06 (permalink)

 

I have tried for HOURS and HOURS to be able to record from my mike.

The mike is good and so is the connection it would seem since I got recorded using the mike and M-Audio using Windows "Voice Recorder". I can't get ANY signal into Sonar X2, however. I have included what my preferences look like. PLEASE help! Thanks so much!
 
 
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Re: I have tried for HOURS and HOURS to be able to record from my mike. 2017/04/25 17:12:37 (permalink)
ASIO4All could be interfering with the M-Audio driver. Maybe uninstalling the ASIO4All software completely and configuring the DAW using the M-Audio driver will get better results. Here is the hardware setup guide, enter your interface and software to get the setup instructions.
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Re: I have tried for HOURS and HOURS to be able to record from my mike. 2017/04/25 17:26:41 (permalink)
Condenser? Dynamic? Do you have phantom power on if condenser?
Correct input selected?

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Re: I have tried for HOURS and HOURS to be able to record from my mike. 2017/04/25 17:48:28 (permalink)
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ASIO4All could be interfering with the M-Audio driver. Maybe uninstalling the ASIO4All software completely and configuring the DAW using the M-Audio driver will get better results. Here is the hardware setup guide, enter your interface and software to get the setup instructions.


Where are you getting this info from Steve? All i see apart form his words are 2 icons which could be picture placeholders

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Re: I have tried for HOURS and HOURS to be able to record from my mike. 2017/04/25 17:57:32 (permalink)
It is possible to see the images by copying the broken links.
 
The OP made a common mistake attempting to insert a page reference instead of the image url in the image tags. Of course, new users are not allowed to create links anyway so it took some doing just to get the broken images on the page.
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Re: I have tried for HOURS and HOURS to be able to record from my mike. 2017/04/25 18:25:54 (permalink)
Agreed, dump ASIO4ALL.


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Re: I have tried for HOURS and HOURS to be able to record from my mike. 2017/04/25 18:29:07 (permalink)
Use MAudio's own drivers for the Audio interface. Not ASIO4ALL. The Audio ones should work better, after all they're the ASIO drivers supplied by the manufacturer for their interfaces. ASIO4ALL is not.
 
As Scook says, you may need to uninstall ASIO4ALL to get the Audio drivers working properly, you may also need to uninstall then reinstall the Audio drivers following MAudio's installation instructions.

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Re: I have tried for HOURS and HOURS to be able to record from my mike. 2017/04/25 19:22:19 (permalink)
if it's a USB mic it won't work in ASIO mode with other devices, you'll have to use WDM or MME (don't know if new WASAPI mode supports multiple different devices?)
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Re: I have tried for HOURS and HOURS to be able to record from my mike. 2017/04/25 23:40:17 (permalink)
I just tryed an experiment. 
I have Asio4all on a laptop I use at work which I only work with midi files on in Home Studio. 
 
I brought my Scarlett 6i6 in today and insstalled the Focusrite driver. 
I booted Sonar and selected all the 6i6 Boxes and unchecked asio4all. It work without issue. 
I also played videos and Media player all played via the Scarlett. 
So I re booted computer, re opened Sonar , still using the 6i6. 
I turned the 6i6 off and Sonar let me re connect to the Asio4all, it worked. I turned the Scarlett back on, Sonar asked if I'd like to use this device , yes, unchecked asio4all and re checked all the 6i6 boxed , hit OK and it worked. 
 
So everything I tried shows there is no conflict with using Asio4all alongside (at least) my Focusrite  ASIO drivers. 
I think there where issues in the past but somehow I think asio4all is now improved and we need to re look at it in a different way. 
 
Of note is I tried to use asio4all with the Scarlett 6i6 and it only gave me 2 inputs , channel 3/4 and the SPDIF and the MIDI where all missing. So it certainly sucks as a driver replacement for a real audio interface but it does seem the best option when there is no ASIO driver available. WASAPI was also failed to give me all my in/out as well as it refused to work in 44.1. It wanted only 48. 
 
Anyhow, there should be no reason to uninstall asio4all from the OP computer. But he should choose the M Audio driver, unless,,, I've have bad experience with Maudio drivers in the past and so there might be a huge difference between my 6i6 and the M Audio ASIO driver quality. 

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Re: I have tried for HOURS and HOURS to be able to record from my mike. 2017/04/26 00:05:00 (permalink)
ASIO4All has a pretty bad rep, but it seems to have been improved in recent times to the extent that I really don't see a lot of difference between using it and using the WASAPI drivers on my laptop. I could of course be completely wrong. 

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Re: I have tried for HOURS and HOURS to be able to record from my mike. 2017/04/26 03:00:17 (permalink)
Here's the reason Asio4all is better than WASAPI. In a loop back test Asio4all will be in sync. All other modes are laying your overdubs down late. This screen shot shows a loopback of a drum hit re recorded to a new audio track in all the different modes available to a realtech on board sound chip. 
 
 
 


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Re: I have tried for HOURS and HOURS to be able to record from my mike. 2017/04/26 10:52:39 (permalink)
Hopefully you realize that this statement....
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Of note is I tried to use asio4all with the Scarlett 6i6 and it only gave me 2 inputs , channel 3/4 and the SPDIF and the MIDI where all missing. So it certainly sucks as a driver replacement for a real audio interface

 
 
....completely contradicts this statement....
I think there where issues in the past but somehow I think asio4all is now improved and we need to re look at it in a different way.

 
Brand spanking new audio interfaces can be had for under $100 these days. Better quality used units can be had for about the same price. In my humble opinion, there is absolutely no good reason for using the smoking pile of garbage that is asio4all.
 

 
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Re: I have tried for HOURS and HOURS to be able to record from my mike. 2017/04/26 11:23:36 (permalink)
nah, asio4all is really useful for onboard soundchips (like realtek) but you have to actually engage your brain and configure it correctly, not everyone has $100 to blow, and it makes field recording lighter weight
 

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Re: I have tried for HOURS and HOURS to be able to record from my mike. 2017/04/26 11:25:43 (permalink)
and johnny's posts don't actually contradict each other in the traditionally understood meaning of "contradict"
/fwiw
 

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Re: I have tried for HOURS and HOURS to be able to record from my mike. 2017/04/26 11:31:11 (permalink)
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not everyone has $100 to blow, and it makes field recording lighter weight




We spend $400 on the software but yet we cant "blow" $100 on the most important part of our system (Soundcard) ?
 
 

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Re: I have tried for HOURS and HOURS to be able to record from my mike. 2017/04/26 12:09:10 (permalink)
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nah, asio4all is really useful for onboard soundchips (like realtek) but you have to actually engage your brain and configure it correctly, not everyone has $100 to blow, and it makes field recording lighter weight
 


I hate sound elitist but if you want to record audio and you absolutely can't scrape together $100 to spend on audio hardware, then you probably shouldn't be messing with any kind DAW software. 

 
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Re: I have tried for HOURS and HOURS to be able to record from my mike. 2017/04/26 12:12:23 (permalink)
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and johnny's posts don't actually contradict each other in the traditionally understood meaning of "contradict"
/fwiw

I guess I must have been taught a different 'traditional' meaning of the word than you were then. What I got from what what was said is hey you know that software everyone thinks sucks because it doesn't work right? Well its better now so it doesn't suck. But oh yeah by the way, it doesn't work right.

 
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Re: I have tried for HOURS and HOURS to be able to record from my mike. 2017/04/26 12:23:01 (permalink)
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not everyone has $100 to blow, and it makes field recording lighter weight




We spend $400 on the software but yet we cant "blow" $100 on the most important part of our system (Soundcard) ?
 
 




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Re: I have tried for HOURS and HOURS to be able to record from my mike. 2017/04/26 12:23:39 (permalink)
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pwalpwal
and johnny's posts don't actually contradict each other in the traditionally understood meaning of "contradict"
/fwiw

I guess I must have been taught a different 'traditional' meaning of the word than you were then. What I got from what what was said is hey you know that software everyone thinks sucks because it doesn't work right? Well its better now so it doesn't suck. But oh yeah by the way, it doesn't work right.


i'm not sure i understand your translation of his comments?
 

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Re: I have tried for HOURS and HOURS to be able to record from my mike. 2017/04/26 12:26:24 (permalink)
also, not everyone is recording audio, these days a lot of people just use VSTs
 

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Re: I have tried for HOURS and HOURS to be able to record from my mike. 2017/04/26 12:37:52 (permalink)
 
I wish not to derail this thread so im removing my comment.
Peace everyone
 

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Re: I have tried for HOURS and HOURS to be able to record from my mike. 2017/04/26 12:39:45 (permalink)
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these days a lot of people just use VSTs

 
Not the OP 


we don't know yet what kind of mic the op's using, or how it's connected, but yeah... still, it's relevant to the asio4all-bashing

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Re: I have tried for HOURS and HOURS to be able to record from my mike. 2017/04/26 12:41:58 (permalink)
maybe cakewalk should provide a white paper on asio4all, would stop all this to-you-to-me-to-you-to-me stuff, after all they recommend it, and it's the most common driver used with sonar (according to the analytics)

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Re: I have tried for HOURS and HOURS to be able to record from my mike. 2017/04/26 12:43:42 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby pwalpwal 2017/04/26 12:53:12
ahhh, my apology's.
I just edited my last comment hoping you wouldn't see it.
I don't want to derail this thread. The op needs help not a debate .
Im guilty too. so im out.

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Re: I have tried for HOURS and HOURS to be able to record from my mike. 2017/04/26 14:10:26 (permalink)
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maybe cakewalk should provide a white paper on asio4all, would stop all this to-you-to-me-to-you-to-me stuff, after all they recommend it, and it's the most common driver used with sonar (according to the analytics)


Popularity has nothing to do with quality. McDonalds has no shortage of customers. Doesn't mean anyone in their right mind should be eating there.



 
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Re: I have tried for HOURS and HOURS to be able to record from my mike. 2017/04/26 14:19:55 (permalink)
The problem with ASIO4ALL is not that it doesn't work; the problem is that it doesn't always work and in a minority of cases, causes significant problems. 

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Re: I have tried for HOURS and HOURS to be able to record from my mike. 2017/04/26 14:38:41 (permalink)
First off, we've lost the OP so don't worry about that. It's how some educational threads get started around here,, and that's all I'm trying to do. Investigating different drivers is important to us and there is way to many unsupported Myths surrounding drivers. 
I love it when people only quote half of what you say. 
 
"So everything I tried shows there is no conflict with using Asio4all alongside (at least) my Focusrite  ASIO drivers. 
I think there where issues in the past but somehow I think asio4all is now improved and we need to re look at it in a different way. "
 
The part you quoted was supporting sentence. I for one used to always warn people against asio4all  as most of us here warn that it is "known" to interfere with your real ASIO drivers.. I thought I would test this "fact" and in the case of Focusrite drivers this "fact" was proven untrue. So the second sentence is saying I don't think asio4all will interfere with ALL asio drivers in it's latest incarnation. It's not as scary as most believe.  
 
I also carried on to say while it is the best driver mode for on board sound it sucks as a replacement for your audio interface drivers. Oh, I paid $50 for Home Studio and I'm using Asio4all with that system on a laptop day in day out without issues. 

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Re: I have tried for HOURS and HOURS to be able to record from my mike. 2017/04/26 17:18:06 (permalink)
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maybe cakewalk should provide a white paper on asio4all, would stop all this to-you-to-me-to-you-to-me stuff, after all they recommend it, and it's the most common driver used with sonar (according to the analytics)


Popularity has nothing to do with quality. McDonalds has no shortage of customers. Doesn't mean anyone in their right mind should be eating there.





it has plenty to do with business revenue

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Re: I have tried for HOURS and HOURS to be able to record from my mike. 2017/04/26 17:44:03 (permalink)
I'm not seeing where Cakewalk officially recommend aiso4all. Searching the site, about all I can find is the exact opposite.
 

CAN I JUST USE MY COMPUTER AS AN AUDIO INTERFACE?

  • We strongly recommend against depending on your computer as your main audio interface. Most computers come with a headphone jack for watching videos on the internet or listening to music. Recording and mixing are not taken into account when manufacturers design computer audio ports.


 
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