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I like the Quick Start. (Am I allowed to say that?)
Notwithstanding the slow start (Quick Start starts slow? Ha! Irony.), I am enjoying the paradigm. It is similar to that in the newer Internet browsers. Not only do the projects have a name (Oh. Which is the later version? Test_C or Test_3?), now there is an icon to jog my memory (Ah, that one has more going on, so that one is probably the latest). It's good. On balance I find it speeds my workflow, and that's always welcome. Just wanted to let the Bakers know.
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Re: I like the Quick Start. (Am I allowed to say that?)
2015/10/03 20:12:30
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All the thumbnails look the same to me, it's too slow and too many issues stated in these forums. I would like to like it but it appears to be yet another half baked feature thrown into the UI (to add to the growing list) that needs to be finished off later. Sorry that's just my opinion.
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Re: I like the Quick Start. (Am I allowed to say that?)
2015/10/03 20:29:31
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Re: I like the Quick Start. (Am I allowed to say that?)
2015/10/03 20:30:53
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All the thumbnails look the same to me, it's too slow and too many issues stated in these forums. I would like to like it but it appears to be yet another half baked feature thrown into the UI (to add to the growing list) that needs to be finished off later. Sorry that's just my opinion.
That's my opinion, too.
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Re: I like the Quick Start. (Am I allowed to say that?)
2015/10/03 20:31:42
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I've been told patience is a virtue.  I suspect the Start Screen's fate will be the same as Mix Recall, which was shaped over a few months by user feedback;
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Re: I like the Quick Start. (Am I allowed to say that?)
2015/10/03 20:41:25
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I've been told patience is a virtue. I suspect the Start Screen's fate will be the same as Mix Recall, which was shaped over a few months by user feedback;
No doubt.. In the meantime all the other UI legacy issues hang around needing to be fixed.. In those instances patience is an onslaught :) Ah well been here before..again and again :)
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Re: I like the Quick Start. (Am I allowed to say that?)
2015/10/03 21:22:12
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Hey, the Concrete Limiter got fixed. Fixes have been made to staff view. Lots of old annoying things have been fixed lately. Just sayin'...
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Re: I like the Quick Start. (Am I allowed to say that?)
2015/10/03 21:29:10
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I like it, in design terms. It's just too slow for heavy use right now. I'm in and out of different projects all day, and when I had it switched on, I could close a project and load another from the file menu and start working before it even popped up.
I'm only guessing here, of course, but my sense of what happened is this: remember how we got the update that didn't contain anything much other than the start screen, right at the end of the month, and then we got a really big update effectively a couple of weeks early after that? I think the start screen was rushed out so Cakewalk wouldn't have to reach the end of a month without delivering something.
I can understand the reasoning, if that was the case, but myself, I'm not bothered about updates being on some arbitrary schedule like that.
So yeah, basically, I look forward to turning the start screen back on once it's developed a bit more. And speed is the paramount issue for me. If it's slower than using the file menu, then there's not a lot of point to it, day to day. Though I do like having update notifications on it. Like I say, the design is good.
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Re: I like the Quick Start. (Am I allowed to say that?)
2015/10/03 21:33:41
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Hey, the Concrete Limiter got fixed. Fixes have been made to staff view. Lots of old annoying things have been fixed lately. Just sayin'...
Only after persistent moaning! Running out of energy :)
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Re: I like the Quick Start. (Am I allowed to say that?)
2015/10/03 22:07:51
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Oh no! Cakewalk would never fix anything if you didn't heroically fight for us all. Please don't stop.
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Re: I like the Quick Start. (Am I allowed to say that?)
2015/10/04 00:16:35
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Only after persistent moaning! Running out of energy :)
Well, every silver lining has a cloud It wasn't the moaning, it was enough clues to make it reproducible.
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Re: I like the Quick Start. (Am I allowed to say that?)
2015/10/04 04:32:44
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I like the new startscreen. But it is still a bit slow. I have it active to get used to it. Eagerly waiting for it to "grow up" to a fully fledged feature.
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Re: I like the Quick Start. (Am I allowed to say that?)
2015/10/04 06:31:45
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In general, I like it. I haven't turned it off... so it isn't that big of a distraction. Problem Use Case: I often close a project and go to Windows Explorer to manipulate the file. Maybe add tags to the Wavs or send them to the musicians to check them out. Current Behavior: I close the project, open Windows explorer, and then focus is set back on Sonar as the Start Screen starts up. This leaves me with extra clicks to get back to Windows Explorer. Old Behavior: I close the project and switch to Windows Explorer. Sonar did not used to inject itself into focus.
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Re: I like the Quick Start. (Am I allowed to say that?)
2015/10/04 06:31:49
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John T
Oh no! Cakewalk would never fix anything if you didn't heroically fight for us all. Please don't stop.
I'm starting a kickstarter page.
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Re: I like the Quick Start. (Am I allowed to say that?)
2015/10/04 06:50:48
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Only after persistent moaning! Running out of energy :)
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Well, every silver lining has a cloud It wasn't the moaning, it was enough clues to make it reproducible.
If we are talking about CL, it was reproducible for around 3.5 years, and as Tom Jones says, that's not unusual, just saying :). OK back to moan-cave I need to service the moan-mobile.
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Re: I like the Quick Start. (Am I allowed to say that?)
2015/10/04 07:26:20
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Only after persistent moaning! Running out of energy :)
Anderton
Well, every silver lining has a cloud It wasn't the moaning, it was enough clues to make it reproducible.
If we are talking about CL, it was reproducible for around 3.5 years, and as Tom Jones says, that's not unusual, just saying :). OK back to moan-cave I need to service the moan-mobile.
Really? Around 3.5 years? I submitted it a year almost to the date before the official fix came out and they weren't able to reproduce it for a few weeks, after persistence, they were able to.
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Re: I like the Quick Start. (Am I allowed to say that?)
2015/10/04 09:24:25
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☄ Helpfulby John T 2015/10/04 10:25:08
The slow behavior has been resolved for the next update. The developers redesigned the way the start screen page is populated. Both offline and online cases use identical data so now its very snappy both for offline and online use.
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Re: I like the Quick Start. (Am I allowed to say that?)
2015/10/04 09:28:34
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Anderton
Hey, the Concrete Limiter got fixed. Fixes have been made to staff view. Lots of old annoying things have been fixed lately. Just sayin'...
Only after persistent moaning! Running out of energy :)
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Re: I like the Quick Start. (Am I allowed to say that?)
2015/10/04 11:29:25
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The slow behavior has been resolved for the next update...now its very snappy both for offline and online use.
That sounds great, thanks for the info!
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Re: I like the Quick Start. (Am I allowed to say that?)
2015/10/04 12:02:09
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Well I might be 'barking' mad I suppose, but that's about as far as that one goes..
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Re: I like the Quick Start. (Am I allowed to say that?)
2015/10/04 13:50:49
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I don't mind the new start screen thingie, just don't find it necessary.
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Re: I like the Quick Start. (Am I allowed to say that?)
2015/10/04 14:26:30
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And the Oscar for " Most sarcastic post in an online forum" goes to..... John T
Oh no! Cakewalk would never fix anything if you didn't heroically fight for us all. Please don't stop.
It wasn't you who threatened to punch his lights out was it JT?
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Re: I like the Quick Start. (Am I allowed to say that?)
2015/10/04 14:30:51
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..... I think the start screen was rushed out so Cakewalk wouldn't have to reach the end of a month without delivering something.
I can understand the reasoning, if that was the case, but myself, I'm not bothered about updates being on some arbitrary schedule like that.
+1 This is how I thought it was going to happen, with new stuff and updates being released when they were ready, rather than saving them all up for the end of the year. There really is no need for an update of sorts each and every month. As long as we get some tidy stuff every now and again I think most of us would be happy with that modus operandi. Edit - spelling
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Re: I like the Quick Start. (Am I allowed to say that?)
2015/10/04 15:03:49
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☄ Helpfulby John T 2015/10/05 18:28:45
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It wasn't you who threatened to punch his lights out was it JT?
I don't mind being the object of hatred in these forums Steve, I can also take humour on the chin if necessary, so be it, but it's another thing to try to stir up trouble and talk about physical violence. Perhaps best left alone if you have a single shred of decency about you.. Not at all funny even as a joke, and frankly none of your business. Many thanks.
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Re: I like the Quick Start. (Am I allowed to say that?)
2015/10/04 15:11:16
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John T
..... I think the start screen was rushed out so Cakewalk wouldn't have to reach the end of a month without delivering something.
I can understand the reasoning, if that was the case, but myself, I'm not bothered about updates being on some arbitrary schedule like that.
+1
This is how I thought it was going to happen, with new stuff and updates being released when they were ready, rather than saving them all up for the end of the year.
There really is no need for an update of sorts each and every month. As long as we get some tidy stuff every now and again I think most of us would be happy with that modus operandi.
Edit - spelling
Totally agree Steve. I'd rather wait a moth or 2 rather than getting an underbaked cake. Paul Hollywood & Mary Berry would agree!
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Re: I like the Quick Start. (Am I allowed to say that?)
2015/10/04 15:23:41
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post edited by BobF - 2015/10/04 15:38:33
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Re: I like the Quick Start. (Am I allowed to say that?)
2015/10/04 18:13:29
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☄ Helpfulby John T 2015/10/05 18:29:22
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I'm only guessing here, of course, but my sense of what happened is this: remember how we got the update that didn't contain anything much other than the start screen, right at the end of the month, and then we got a really big update effectively a couple of weeks early after that? I think the start screen was rushed out so Cakewalk wouldn't have to reach the end of a month without delivering something.
Not at all. Start screen was under development for close to 3 months and was actually planned for release earlier - we chose to release it a month later in fact. Unlike a typical SONAR feature that is just in the application there are a lot of moving parts here - SONAR updates, new templates, the start screen app itself, the web back end, web design work, IT infrastructure. Its a step towards delivering a more connected experience to users like we did with command center. Its not very surprising that being the first cut there were a few loose ends. Most issues are resolved now and we still have plans to improve it in coming months. I think most will consider it useful once it evolves more. Esp for new users getting context sensitive tips and content could be one area where it could be really useful.
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2015/10/04 18:50:21
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This is how I thought it was going to happen, with new stuff and updates being released when they were ready, rather than saving them all up for the end of the year. Totally disagree. Consider that many features previously released as part of a big yearly update continued to evolve, but with a much slower pace of evolution...introduce feature, spend months fixing bugs, collect feedback, make changes for next big update...compare the original ProChannel to what it is now. Imagine if that development had been compressed into months (like it is now) instead of years (like it used to be). These days "new feature bugs" get fixed pretty much within a month, and feedback is implemented much faster as well. The evolution of the program has sped up considerably. I believe the only reason people don't see this is they have short memories about the arc of progress/updates with SONAR prior to 2015. Here, this will jog your memory: X2 There really is no need for an update of sorts each and every month. As long as we get some tidy stuff every now and again I think most of us would be happy with that modus operandi.
It doesn't matter if Cakewalk was working on a new feature every month and having it sit on the shelf until the big yearly update, or whether they're working on a few feature every month and then release it. The only difference is the program evolves much faster, and becomes more stable, under the new model. The biggest problem with the monthly update is it puts things under the microscope that were hidden before. If new feature "X" has a bug, the forum explodes - "New Update Buggy!" Rolling back!!" Then pretty consistently, it's fixed in the next release or several times, with a hotfix a week or two later (like the arpeggiator data bouncing issue, or the tempo change issue with upsampling). Before, if feature "X" introduced in a yearly update had a bug, it might take a while to discover because it was mixed in with a whole bunch of new features, and it would take even longer to fix it.
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Re: I like the Quick Start. (Am I allowed to say that?)
2015/10/04 19:05:25
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
The slow behavior has been resolved for the next update. The developers redesigned the way the start screen page is populated. Both offline and online cases use identical data so now its very snappy both for offline and online use.
Great job Noel and the bakers. Thanks 
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