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2013/10/16 12:41:25 (permalink)

I may need to find a job, but don't know how

I'm experiencing the perfect storm of reduced cashflow into my business and large medical bills from my back surgery. For the first time in 20 years, my day job isn't covering expenses! I am now facing the reality that I may have to find a real job, at least temporarily.
 
Problem is, I've only actually looked for a job once in my entire life, and that was in 1984. That time, I simply answered a newspaper ad and landed the gig. Nobody uses the newspaper anymore, so I'm at a loss as to where to start. Advice?


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Re: I may need to find a job, but don't know how 2013/10/16 12:45:27 (permalink)
Put our resume on Monster.com and you'll be surprised how many companies will contact you about how their (paid for) service is better than sliced bread with becan.
 
And when you do get a gig, please sse if I can get in on it with you (remotely of course).
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Re: I may need to find a job, but don't know how 2013/10/16 12:55:18 (permalink)
Dave,
 
I do hope your skillset is more marketable than mine. I was into a (now outdated) application framework technology stack that there are no available jobs today. I did not advance with the times because I was too busy working during the day and wanted to make music at night and on the weekends.
 
Here is how I see the job market today (in the form of an analogy). Say you worked as a mechanic for Honda for the last 10 years and now Honda no longer needs service techs (market is saturated) and all you see is jobs for BMW service techs. You think, "I'm adaptable" but as you dig deeper into the job description you see that you must have experience with 2010 and later BMWs. So you send in your resume anyway thinking, "surely they will see that I'm a qualified service tech and see that I will be able to adapt in short order". Guess what, you will either a) never get a call, b) get a form letter saying that your qualifications did not match.
 
My view of IT these days are that job descriptions are very narrow and the days taking a chance on the adaptable candidate has a -0.10% likelihood of occurring.
 
But..... I live in L.A.
 
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Re: I may need to find a job, but don't know how 2013/10/16 13:02:02 (permalink)
 Sorry to hear this Bitflipper. I know you are a man of many talents. It seems as if the work you have done for the last 20 years has been a pretty stable thing. Is there a chance that maybe it will pick up soon? Can you defer your medical expenses until a later time or arrange for  minimum payments? Sometimes negotiation is possible. You could try internet job sites like Monster.com.
 
 Not sure what else to suggest. Best wishes your way in getting the situation under control. 
 
  

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Re: I may need to find a job, but don't know how 2013/10/16 13:03:13 (permalink)
My thoughts...
 
Always, direct contact works best. Call the people you want to work for, tell them, ask how to get in the door. (This assumes you know where you'd like to work.)
 
If you want corporate positions, start by logging into the corporate websites and uploading your resume. In a lot of cases, other than temp agencies, this is required to get into a corporate job.
 
If you want to work for a govt job (like a hospital) contact them to find out if you can fill out the forms online or if you need to come in. Often, it is required to actually show up at a hospital to apply for a job.
 
Faxing your resume to lots of people is cheap to do, but usually ignored by large businesses. Gotta get in their database and they consider this your job. Enter it on their website. Don't hesitate to get your resume in their queue.
 
Recruiters can help, but they do take their cut. They can also demoralize you intentionally to try to keep you from working outside their network. They take some of the hassle, but at a cost.
 
Tell your friends your looking. Sometimes they're looking to hire.
 
Go to professional meetings. I'm a programmer and I go to a lot of user group meetings. Sometimes, I'm looking to hire and if I see someone I can get along with... 
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Re: I may need to find a job, but don't know how 2013/10/16 13:55:13 (permalink)
For Gov. jobs, this is a place to search & apply online: https://www.usajobs.gov/
 
Of course, with all the shenanigans going on right now, your options might be limited.
 
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Re: I may need to find a job, but don't know how 2013/10/16 14:06:55 (permalink)
Lots of good advice here Bit.  
 
I am assuming that you are wanting to stay in the same type of field you are already in.  Direct contact is best and getting your resume in front of someone that actually makes the decision is the best way to get hired, in my opinion.  I am assuming you have an advanced skill set in what ever you do.  Target the companies that you would like to work for, or that hire someone with your experience and then get the name of the General Manager or CEO.  Usually they will know if the company is hiring because he is going to make the final decision.  You might have to be sneaky in getting the name, maybe call and say your a customer and want to send a Thank You card to the CEO.  Worst case is that the receptionist actually forwards you to him and then I would just come clean.  You were trying to find a creative way to get his name so that you could send him a resume.  It's likely that you will find yourself in the midst of a phone interview if that happens.  Follow up with a phone call after you know for sure that he has received it.  
 
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Re: I may need to find a job, but don't know how 2013/10/16 14:42:25 (permalink)
Hi Bitflipper,
I know a few things about attracting attention with your letter or resumé.
The company I work for places a lot of IT-professionals at clients, based upon their resumés.
 
The important is that you not begin with your past experience.
The first part of your written communication should attract attention. Don't write a standard letter. Write a letter, or an introduction in your resumé, for each opportunity, that is targetted towards your future employer: Your motivation.
  • Make clear why you want this particular job and why you want to work for that particular company.
  • Tell them what the challenge is for you.
  • Tell them in what way you can contribute to their success and how you can solve their problems. 
  •  Tell what steps you could take to tackle their problems, not vague, but specific. You can tell them that because you have experience.
On order to do this you will have to do some online research or try to find someone who knows to company. They want to achieve a goal. Make sure you use that.
Make sure you don't seem arrogant but constructive and cooperative. (Well, in your posts you are always constructive, not arrogant).
 
When the first step is a letter or a resumé, you can make a difference.
 
I wish you the very best.
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Re: I may need to find a job, but don't know how 2013/10/16 14:57:18 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Beagle 2013/10/16 15:23:04
Lots of companies don't take applications at the physical place of business any more.... everyone says apply online. I know this because my daughter was looking for a job this past spring and early summer. I told her to apply as they request but then to actually go into the store/restaurant and introduce herself to the managers and tell them she is ready to start when they hire the next person.... that way, they associate a face with the name and on the second or third time in, they realize she wants to work, unlike the majority of folks out there...
 
I'm a big believer that the one on one introduction is worth it's weight in proverbial gold.
 
Best wishes for landing a day gig...... times are tough but the jobs are out there... you just gotta find it and then secure it.

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Re: I may need to find a job, but don't know how 2013/10/16 15:08:16 (permalink)
Good luck Dave.
 
FWIW, in our tiny little market, .net programmers seem to be in demand.
 
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Re: I may need to find a job, but don't know how 2013/10/16 15:17:49 (permalink)
No advice, but sorry to hear that - best of luck to you, Bit.

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Re: I may need to find a job, but don't know how 2013/10/16 15:29:52 (permalink)
Good luck and there is the unemployment office in your town. There is also probably a on-line place to put resume' and such. Like stated above, many times it is Hell to find a job unless you know someone who can put in a good word for you or you know someone who may help find you a job. It use to be that 47% of jobs are by walking into a place and making out an application. The further up the ladder you try and go, I suppose then there are steps to go that path on the job hunt. Well, good luck, because finding a job may take up a lot of time and effort. Well, good journey then.
 

 
 
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Re: I may need to find a job, but don't know how 2013/10/16 15:45:33 (permalink)
The world has turned. I thought that my skill set was massive. Solid tech background with 10 years of management experience in quality assurance and auditing. Part time college teacher with experience in developing multi functional teams for major project development. License for industrial electrician and certified as a quality manager by the American Society for Quality.
 
The headhunters all told me the same thing. I was unemployable. Too much experience for the Mc jobs that dominate the market and too old for corporate gigs that can get college grads for peanuts. The last guy I spoke to told me he wanted to give me a gold watch, but not a job. Since then I've been doing all sorts of small jobs as they come along. This year I've built amps, created a management training program for an HR company, Some recording work and technical writing.
 
In short, I've become a tinker or utility infielder, whatever metaphor you like. Welcome to the world of the silver backs Bit. Be creative and use your imagination. You may make money doing something you had never planned on. Best of luck.

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Re: I may need to find a job, but don't know how 2013/10/16 16:01:21 (permalink)
I'll just add my thoughts of good luck!
 
I'm another past "Expert" of stuff that no longer exists (all of the DEC boxes and software) so I'm just working for peanuts with four different companies (all run by friends that I knew outside of work).  Two are startups where I have a very vested interest in their success (which, if it occurs, will help me recover some of the money the financial institutions stole from me a few years ago).  Apparently, just knowing what to do isn't enough anymore.  You need to have gone out and paid to get someone else to "certify" you.  *Sigh...*

 
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Re: I may need to find a job, but don't know how 2013/10/16 16:54:08 (permalink)
Sorry to hear this Dave. I wish you and yours the best and have you in my prayers.

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Re: I may need to find a job, but don't know how 2013/10/16 17:07:52 (permalink)
Just put on what is needed for the job you are applying for is what I heard lately. Nothing else, and only what can be done for the job and the company by you. I guess that means be humble and bend the rules if you have to meaning that for the most part you are only looking for a job and you can do whatever they want and the rest does not matter nor too much experience. Well, blah then!
 

 
 
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Re: I may need to find a job, but don't know how 2013/10/16 18:18:43 (permalink)
You can create a basic resume but do some research on the jobs you're looking for and custom taylor your resume to each job and company. 
 
You could also look into LinkedIn.  They're like the Facebook of business.  Be careful though, the had some security problems a while back.  I don't know if those problems got resolved. 

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Re: I may need to find a job, but don't know how 2013/10/16 18:34:18 (permalink)
Sorry to hear this Bit. If you have any contacts at all that you've developed over the years now might be a good time to tap into them.
I hope things go well for you.
btw, how are you coming along from the back surgery?
How many months now? 6 or 7?
 
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Re: I may need to find a job, but don't know how 2013/10/16 19:59:06 (permalink)
Almost 4 months after the surgery and I'm walking several miles a day, with no pain or pain pills. Six months ago I could only hobble around with a cane or walker. Life is good, and the expense of the surgery was worth every penny. And I may have to cash in my penny jar to pay for it. Damn, that had been earmarked for music software!
 
Thanks for the ideas, everyone. I like the idea of a brief resumé that doesn't make it obvious that I've been in the business since before the Intel 4004.
 
Like many, I have many skills that are no longer in demand. But being the principal tech-head for my company means I wear many hats, so I'm thinking it would not be unethical to mention only those skills that are still relevant while skipping, say, all the years spent coding ANSI-C.
 
Or maybe I'll just try for a gig at Guitar Center. Surely there are no pre-qualifications required to work there! I won't mention any knowledge of musical gear on the application.


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Re: I may need to find a job, but don't know how 2013/10/16 20:22:56 (permalink)
Best wishes bit.
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Re: I may need to find a job, but don't know how 2013/10/16 21:03:41 (permalink)
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Or maybe I'll just try for a gig at Guitar Center. Surely there are no pre-qualifications required to work there! I won't mention any knowledge of musical gear on the application.



Are you kidding?  You've got no chance!  As soon as you start talking they'll realize you're too smart to work there.  

 
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Re: I may need to find a job, but don't know how 2013/10/16 22:17:45 (permalink)
If you can pass the personality test, I would say try and score a job @ Walmart, Target, HomeDepot, or Lowes...   I have trouble with the questions like, "Do you smile and thank this person?"
 
Otherwise Target probably would have hired me by now.. 

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Re: I may need to find a job, but don't know how 2013/10/16 22:20:50 (permalink)
I wish I had some advice, Dave. All I can say is hang in there, buddy, and I'm thinking about you. Xoxoxo

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Re: I may need to find a job, but don't know how 2013/10/17 00:14:35 (permalink)
Oh yes, good luck with the job search, Bit.  

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Re: I may need to find a job, but don't know how 2013/10/17 03:56:20 (permalink)
Bit, 
 
Write a cover letter to your resume as was mentioned earlier.  Really say what you want about yourself in it so that the reader gets a good idea of who you are and what you want/can do for their company.  I did this on my last job that I got - basically put it all on the line for this employer and he called me back the next day.  
 
Also, don't be shy of letter others critique your resume and cover.  
 
Network all over the place.  Employers will hire first those that are recommended by others they know and trust.  
 
Best of luck to you.  I know you will be successful Bit.
 
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Re: I may need to find a job, but don't know how 2013/10/17 04:43:24 (permalink)
Just remember, if none of this works out, it's always good to have a Plan B.
 
So, repeat after me: "Would you like fries with that?"

 
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Re: I may need to find a job, but don't know how 2013/10/17 06:02:13 (permalink)
Well that's at least the 2 of us looking for work Bit.
 
There's no advice I can give you, other than keep the faith! Something will turn up, it nearly always does.

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Re: I may need to find a job, but don't know how 2013/10/17 08:23:25 (permalink)
Best of luck Bit..
 
 

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Re: I may need to find a job, but don't know how 2013/10/17 09:20:41 (permalink)
I don't know if this will work for you, but you might want to look into consulting.  There are a number of consulting firms who employ people with a broad technical background.  While consulting may not be for everyone, it has a number of benefits. 
 
I've worked as a consultant for the last 20 years.  While some companies may not be ready to hire someone of your experience permanently, they may need you on a short term basis for some projects.  Some people see consulting as a temp job that they hope will become permanent.  I prefer consulting over a permanent position because I like to change environments. 
 
Anyway, I thought I'd throw that out there in case it helps.  Hope you find a new gig that meets your needs, Bit.  Let us know what you find.
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Re: I may need to find a job, but don't know how 2013/10/17 11:50:21 (permalink)
Dave, sorry to hear about the financial woes, but glad you are recovering well from the surgery. Good luck with the job hunt.

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