bapu
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I missed it last time...
But, JRRShop is offering Harrison MixBus for $39 (thru 14 Sept).
Am I missing out on the next best thing to sliced bread here?
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re: I missed it last time...
2013/08/23 20:42:31
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I got the email too.
It seems like just last week I was reading glowing reviews and claims that True Analog Mixing was worth 50% off.
What happened?
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bapu
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Re: I missed it last time...
2013/08/23 21:00:08
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Maybe they shaved a few bits off to get that "Truester" Analogue Sound?
Must be 29.76458896764 bits now.
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Re: I missed it last time...
2013/08/23 23:35:51
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Mixbus is NOT $39....
The Plugin Essentials Pack is $39 for EXISTING owners of Mixbus...
Mixbus NOW includes the PE Pack...and is $149.....just FYI...
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Re: I missed it last time...
2013/08/23 23:47:18
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Re: I missed it last time...
2013/08/23 23:59:33
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bapu
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Re: I missed it last time...
2013/08/24 00:22:15
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Re: I missed it last time...
2013/08/24 00:31:26
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So let me see. I purchase Mix Bus for $39. I can then get the essentials pack for $39.
This is all so tempting......
Interesting that it's only 32bit right now, right?
I guess in my case that's OK since I always install both 32 and 64 bit versions of all VSTs I own.
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Re: I missed it last time...
2013/08/24 06:57:51
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That's a GREAT deal! Well according to the email I got from Harrison, the PE Pack is now part of Mixbus... and if you are an existing user you can crossgrade to the PE Pack for $39.... So, if this is a JRR deal, if you buy it now you'll probably get the PE pack included...but who knows with these deals... EDIT ...just checked..this version for JRR does NOT include the PE Pack...so it's STILL a great deal..buy it and then, as Baps says....get the PE Pack for $39....that's $78 for the both...
post edited by cclarry - 2013/08/24 07:01:55
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Re: I missed it last time...
2013/08/24 07:19:26
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EDIT...
$39 deal for PE Pack is over...
You can still get it for $44 with coupon code SAVE25
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Re: I missed it last time...
2013/08/24 07:36:52
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Just Intrigued
I've never heard of the Product, when I looked it up it says its a DAW right??
What would you get from this DAW that Sonar or any of the other more expensive DAW's don't' give you(hope i'm not opening a can of worms here)
Just askin!!
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Re: I missed it last time...
2013/08/24 08:08:36
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What would you get from this DAW that Sonar or any of the other more expensive DAW's don't' give you(hope i'm not opening a can of worms here)
If look back a few months there was a long thread discussing that very question.
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Re: I missed it last time...
2013/08/24 08:38:26
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Not that this has much to do with the discussion but Harrison has some very specific noise reduction plugins that seem to be just the tool for some jobs.
best regards,
mike
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Re: I missed it last time...
2013/08/24 10:02:50
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I've not participated in any of the previous Harrison Mixbus discussions because I don't want to the be first one to shout "but he's not wearing any clothes!". Maybe somebody can convince me that this ain't snake oil, but there are certainly some questionable claims in the vendor's product description. Case in point: Mixbus sounds better . Other DAW mixers are designed by companies with experience in computer sound, but no pedigree in world-class recording facilities. Now, if you're mixing on a computer, wouldn't you prefer your software vendor to have "experience in computer sound"?
 All else is in doubt, so this is the truth I cling to. My Stuff
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Re: I missed it last time...
2013/08/24 10:16:10
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Some may perceive it as achieving better mixes maybe because you'll use a different workflow or approach when using it but you're still using ITB saturation, eq, compression.
You certainly can do the same quality of mixes with any other DAW & combination of plugins.
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Re: I missed it last time...
2013/08/24 10:18:02
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bitflipper
I've not participated in any of the previous Harrison Mixbus discussions because I don't want to the be first one to shout "but he's not wearing any clothes!".
Maybe somebody can convince me that this ain't snake oil, but there are certainly some questionable claims in the vendor's product description.
Case in point:
Mixbus sounds better . Other DAW mixers are designed by companies with experience in computer sound, but no pedigree in world-class recording facilities. Now, if you're mixing on a computer, wouldn't you prefer your software vendor to have "experience in computer sound"? Jeff Evans claims it sounds better than SONAR for mixing (paraphrased). Caveat, according to Jeff, you should have their Mastering EQ and Multiband compressor to have the product really shine.
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Re: I missed it last time...
2013/08/24 10:27:37
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bitflipper
I've not participated in any of the previous Harrison Mixbus discussions because I don't want to the be first one to shout "but he's not wearing any clothes!".
Maybe somebody can convince me that this ain't snake oil, but there are certainly some questionable claims in the vendor's product description.
Case in point:
Mixbus sounds better . Other DAW mixers are designed by companies with experience in computer sound, but no pedigree in world-class recording facilities. Now, if you're mixing on a computer, wouldn't you prefer your software vendor to have "experience in computer sound"? Harrison High End Consoles use computer technology. The X-Tools plugins are built into many of the consoles... Michael Jackson's all time best selling album "Thriller" was recorded on a Harrison Console. Sony Motion Pictures uses Harrison Consoles. Many High End Production companies use Harrison Consoles. Some of their consoles cost over a million dollars...they are no stranger to the DAW world. Mixbus is built on top of Ardour. I can tell you for a fact it's NOT Snake Oil....there IS a definite difference...in sound, and it is REALLY good, sound-wise. biggest problem is ...it's still 32 bit and it doesn't support VSTi's. I'm looking forward to the 64 bit version, and hopefully get the VSTi support along with it. My upgrade path is set. But, as far as I am concerned, this is THE DAW if you are looking for the "Harrison Console" sound. It delivers. In Spades... What have you got to lose Bit, for $39? (besides $39?)
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Re: I missed it last time...
2013/08/24 11:00:58
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I also bought into the Harrison Mixbus and all the plugins. I agree with everything cclarry says above as it does add a different flavor to your mixes or master. No midi yet but they are talking of implementing it for control surfaces in the near future. For audio, the fact it is only 32bit does not concern me. It can act a little flaky when scanning for 3rd party plugs and may say they didn't scan properly but, in fact, they do. It brought in my Waves, Izotope, FabFilter, Ik Multimedia, PSP, etc. and they work fine, if I really want to use them vs. the Harrison stuff. I do like the Mastering Eq and Mulitband Compressor they sell and I believe Harrison has all plugs currently on sale for 25% off. See their Facebook page here: https://www.facebook.com/HarrisonMixbus If you just want to play with the Mixbus only the entry fee is totally worth it.
Purrrfect Audio DAW here. Wow!...
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Re: I missed it last time...
2013/08/24 11:02:28
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I'm quite sure it is different... I'll leave the snake oil debate for other threads<G>, but I will agree that Dave Harrison, who founded the company after leaving MCI, would probably blush at some of the ad copy. I did, finally, buy it at $39 last time around - mostly because one of my early mentors swears by Harrison consoles, and because I got to meet Mr. Harrison at a couple of AES shows years ago, and he was a very cool guy. I also really like both MCI and Harrison consoles, although in full disclosure, if I won the lottery I'd probably buy an API. I like the workflow, I don't like the Windoze implementation a lot, but I got it to work, which is worth something I guess<G>. I sounds nothing like the Harrison EQ plug-in that UA developed, but I don't think that's a fair comparison - the EQ is just an EQ, this thing is the entire console. It does sound different than either Sonar or Studio One, the only two tools I can compare it to - and as mentioned in another thread, my current listening environment does not inspire confidence - I expect I'd hear a bigger different in a well controlled listening space, but I'm not sure I'd have a favorite... bitflipper
Now, if you're mixing on a computer, wouldn't you prefer your software vendor to have "experience in computer sound"?
A RESOUNDING NO!!! One of the biggest problems with the audio for computer space is that very few people developing hardware and software for audio applications have any real experience in professional audio. I will not mention names, but I have seen cases where hardware and software engineers had no clue: - while certainly due to market pressure, there are no A/D or D/A chips that run off anything higher than +5V, and these are being replaced by chips running off +3V, and even +1V. While the mathematical arguments about scaling are lovely, they do not hold up in the real world.
- there are so many poorly designed input and output stages that the AES had to create a standard to explain how it should be done. For the record, these are things that Bell Labs, the BBC, RCA, Neve, and a host of other companies figured out and understood 50 years ago.
- I worked on a project recently where I spent a good part of my time explaining how dB related to rms and peak voltages and how analog signal levels corresponded to bits. I think anyone working in audio ought to understand the decibel.
- More than a couple audio software developers have made such a mess of metering that their implementations are completely useless.
- I worked on an early A/D and D/A converter, I focused on headroom, signal levels, and other "trivial" features... I was fortunate enough to work with a really talented digital engineer, and the product turned out really well.
So to answer your question, I want a software developer that understands AUDIO first, and computers second. (on the plus side, I've made a nice living teaching folks about audio<G>) I do not know who is left at Harrson - but so far I am willing to bet that some of the analog audio guys are still there. Mixbus may not fit into everyone's workflow, but at $39 I think it is worth a try...
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Re: I missed it last time...
2013/08/24 13:43:29
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bapu
But, JRRShop is offering Harrison MixBus for $39 (thru 14 Sept).
Am I missing out on the next best thing to sliced bread here?
Well, I'm confused... Thinking you have this backwards. I've seen your partial list of plugs. If plugmakers aren't sending you betas AND release versions, on the house, they are committing a marketing felony. Seriously, how's it going to look if I'm trying to peddle the only plugin on earth that Bapu doesn't own? Maybe THEY missed out, huh? In fact...I'm havin a vision here..."Approved by Bapu (with a little copyright dealio)"...and of course you aren't going to have time to test myriad plugs for FREE, now are you? After all, revenue streams are where you find them.
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cclarry
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Re: I missed it last time...
2013/08/24 17:06:27
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Currently feuding with Harrison.... I've got them over a barrel.... The email sent out states the following.... Mixbus now includes the Plug-In Essentials Bundle as part of the default package (MSRP $219) that's a direct copy and paste... It then goes on to state that I may CROSSGRADE to the NEW version for $39..... So I told them that my purchase agreement entitled me to ALL updates to the 2.x series of Mixbus, AND that I was entitled to the PE Pack for free...since, according to this email, this is NOW part of Mixbus, AND they are obligated to provide to me at no charge....as it is now included in the DEFAULT package... or, essentially, that it is NOW part of the Mixbus program....and therefore constitutes an UPDATE to 2.3.1 to which I am entitled gratis.... They won't move....but it WILL be worth pursuing legally, as that would constitute "breach of contract", contract being the "all updates to 2.x for FREE", as "adding" the PE Pack to the DEFAULT program would constitute an UPDATE to the existing program. Here's the info from the Website.. Mixbus 2
Features:
Full Digital Audio Workstation with file import, editing, and export.
Integrated Harrison mixing console with "True Analog Mixing"
Support for industry-standard plugins and audio interfaces.
Includes:
*Licensed Mixbus Application v2.3 for Windows, OSX, and Linux
*Harrison's renowned email support
*Free 2.X updates I've saved all the emails and have "captured" their website info....so, we'll see how this shakes out...
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bapu
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Re: I missed it last time...
2013/08/24 20:01:44
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I'm holding off on the PE until Larry wins his case.
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Re: I missed it last time...
2013/08/25 10:02:24
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Go Larry go... and best of luck, hope you win!!
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cclarry
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Re: I missed it last time...
2013/08/25 10:12:55
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Ok..end result...
They've changed their "wording" so that PE Pack is still an "add on" which is only included if you
pay the full price of $149...and is not included in "discounted" sales...
So no luck...
Obviously if this were a court case they would lose...
But still @$39 it's a great buy....coupon code PE39
If you miss the $39 deal you can still get it for $44 with coupon code SAVE25
Can't blame a guy for trying... =(
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re: I missed it last time...
2013/08/25 11:10:20
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I read this explanation at the Harrison Website about why their Mixbus is better than my DAWs:
"From a technical standpoint, it is our opinion that the gross defects in many workstations include internal clipping, lacking dither stages in the DSP processing, insufficent ramping of dsp coefficients, multiple bit-depth/format conversions, out-of-control gain stages causing plugins to work outside their intended range, routing choices that cause latency/timing errors, inability to see meters such as compressor gain reduction without opening the plugin dialog, and poor user-interface integration."
Wow.
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bapu
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Re: I missed it last time...
2013/08/25 11:19:06
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I read this explanation at the Harrison Website about why their Mixbus is better than my DAWs:
"From a technical standpoint, it is our opinion that the gross defects in many workstations include internal clipping, lacking dither stages in the DSP processing, insufficent ramping of dsp coefficients, multiple bit-depth/format conversions, out-of-control gain stages causing plugins to work outside their intended range, routing choices that cause latency/timing errors, inability to see meters such as compressor gain reduction without opening the plugin dialog, and poor user-interface integration."
Wow.
So are you downloading your copy?
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Re: I missed it last time...
2013/08/25 13:42:53
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bapu
...Interesting that it's only 32bit right now, right?
I guess in my case that's OK since I always install both 32 and 64 bit versions of all VSTs I own...
I'm not sure if this is an update or not, or if it just refers to the Linux OS so far: Features:- Unlimited tracks with Harrison EQ, Filter, Compressor, and Bus Sends. - 8 Stereo Mix Buses with Tone control, Compressor w/sidechain, and Tape Saturation. - Master Bus with Tone control, Compressor, Limiter, Correlation meter and K-meter. - Full DAW workstation features for recording, editing, and mix automation. - Support for Audio Unit plugins and any Core Audio interface.(Mac OSX version) - Support for LADSPA/LV2 plugins and any JACK-supported audio interface.(Linux version) - *~ 32-bit and 64-bit OS supported ~*
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cclarry
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Re: I missed it last time...
2013/08/25 14:22:53
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bapu
...Interesting that it's only 32bit right now, right?
I guess in my case that's OK since I always install both 32 and 64 bit versions of all VSTs I own...
I'm not sure if this is an update or not, or if it just refers to the Linux OS so far:
Features:
- Unlimited tracks with Harrison EQ, Filter, Compressor, and Bus Sends.
- 8 Stereo Mix Buses with Tone control, Compressor w/sidechain, and Tape Saturation.
- Master Bus with Tone control, Compressor, Limiter, Correlation meter and K-meter.
- Full DAW workstation features for recording, editing, and mix automation.
- Support for Audio Unit plugins and any Core Audio interface.(Mac OSX version)
- Support for LADSPA/LV2 plugins and any JACK-supported audio interface.(Linux version)
- *~32-bit and 64-bit OS supported ~*
Mixbus is only 64 bit in Linux.... But they are supposedly working on the 64 bit Windows version...we shall see... I'm just happy my upgrade path is secured! This is definitely a program worth having IMHO...and if they get MIDI support and 64 bit....I'll be a happy DAW-per(son)! It's not the greatest DAW ever...but it sure sounds good....
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Re: I missed it last time...
2013/08/25 14:49:12
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I'll be curious to see just how in depth their MIDI implementation will be.
I'm less concerned about the 64 Bit timeline.
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bapu
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Re: I missed it last time...
2013/08/25 20:24:46
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Hey guys,
Here's my take on MixBus vs. SONAR.
The setup. The CHB records all their track separately and then pools them in an online repository. I took the song with the least tracks. 16 to be exact.
I created a session in MixBus and I imported those tracks. I did a quick level and pan mix just so that nothing jumped out in the wrong place.
I created a fresh project in X2a and imported the exact same 16 files/tracks. Then I set the levels and pan that I set for the MixBus project.
ESPECIALLY NOTE: I put absolutely no FX of any kind in either project.
I've been A/B-ing them for about 30 minutes now.
My conclusion is that SONAR X2a is bit darker. Especially on the bass guitar which in this case has a distortion pedal that was burned into the track.
Now for $39 did I get overly WOWED? Not overly but I was impressed how out of the gate MixBus sounded tighter.
I guess what I'm saying is that for $149 I would not have thought I got that much worth out of it, but for $39 I am moderately impressed.
Footnote: TT-DR reported both exports at a DR of 13, however there was a discrepancy in the peak values:
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Statistics for: BTB-VER-A.wav
Number of Samples: 8158848
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Peak value: -1.00 dB --- -1.00 dB
Avg RMS: -14.75 dB --- -15.13 dB
DR channel: 12.45 dB --- 12.94 dB
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Official DR value: DR13
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Statistics for: BTB-VER-B.wav
Number of Samples: 7938048
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Peak value: over --- 0.00 dB
Avg RMS: -14.22 dB --- -14.37 dB
DR channel: 13.10 dB --- 12.49 dB
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Official DR value: DR13
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If anyone is interested in obtaining the exports for their own A/B, PM me.
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