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I want a copy of Sonar Platinum, how do i get it?

I have emailed support 2x and got nothing back yet.
Basically i want plugin load balancing, i own Sonar professional, But now i use a lot of the Acustica plugs and think the plug in load balancing will help a lot with those as they are high cpu usage.
Anyone know who to talk to to get an upgrade at this point in time or get a deal on sonar Platinum?
 
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    Re: I want a copy of Sonar Platinum, how do i get it? 2018/02/05 21:21:05 (permalink)

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    Re: I want a copy of Sonar Platinum, how do i get it? 2018/02/05 21:28:48 (permalink)
    Thanks, i am aware of the situation, that is why this is difficult to do.
     
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    Re: I want a copy of Sonar Platinum, how do i get it? 2018/02/05 21:54:27 (permalink)
    So you own Sonar Platinum and then you want to get a copy of Sonar Platinum? Are you using a bootleg copy of Sonar, otherwise you should be able to get a copy by your membership in the download center.
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    Re: I want a copy of Sonar Platinum, how do i get it? 2018/02/05 21:57:03 (permalink)
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    So you own Sonar Platinum and then you want to get a copy of Sonar Platinum?

    Re-read the OP. The user has Professional and wants to upgrade to Platinum. Unfortunately, upgrading is not an option ATM.
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    Re: I want a copy of Sonar Platinum, how do i get it? 2018/02/05 22:53:03 (permalink)
    Green Needle
    I have emailed support 2x and got nothing back yet.
    Basically i want plugin load balancing, i own Sonar professional, But now i use a lot of the Acustica plugs and think the plug in load balancing will help a lot with those as they are high cpu usage.
    Anyone know who to talk to to get an upgrade at this point in time or get a deal on sonar Platinum?
     




    The only circumstance in which plugin load balancing will make a positive difference is if you have one or more cores which spike a lot higher than the rest. This usually happens when a plugin or synth makes a heavy load on one core. If your cores are heavily taxed, but all at a similar level, then load balancing won't help and in fact might make matters worse because the feature carries some overhead itself. 
     
    Personally I've never seen a benefit. This is what my cores typically look like in a very large, plugin-heavy project - as you can see, quite high CPU usage but nothing is really spiking. 
     

     
    In fact in my case, turning on load balancing often makes Sonar refuse to start the transport for whatever reason. 
     

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    Re: I want a copy of Sonar Platinum, how do i get it? 2018/02/05 23:24:53 (permalink)
    Freeze sharke, freeze.
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    Re: I want a copy of Sonar Platinum, how do i get it? 2018/02/06 00:16:12 (permalink)
    I own Professional not Platinum. My first processor in line of 16 cores is spiked when i use the Acustica plugs. They all seem to fall on the 1st one. Load balancing seems ideal for me here from what i have read.
     
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    I do, but i like these plugs on busses too and using the patch point tracks still is a bunch of work to record down in real time etc.
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    Re: I want a copy of Sonar Platinum, how do i get it? 2018/02/06 00:18:26 (permalink)
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    I have emailed support 2x and got nothing back yet.
    Basically i want plugin load balancing, i own Sonar professional, But now i use a lot of the Acustica plugs and think the plug in load balancing will help a lot with those as they are high cpu usage.
    Anyone know who to talk to to get an upgrade at this point in time or get a deal on sonar Platinum?
     




    The only circumstance in which plugin load balancing will make a positive difference is if you have one or more cores which spike a lot higher than the rest. This usually happens when a plugin or synth makes a heavy load on one core. If your cores are heavily taxed, but all at a similar level, then load balancing won't help and in fact might make matters worse because the feature carries some overhead itself. 
     
    Personally I've never seen a benefit. This is what my cores typically look like in a very large, plugin-heavy project - as you can see, quite high CPU usage but nothing is really spiking. 
     

     
    In fact in my case, turning on load balancing often makes Sonar refuse to start the transport for whatever reason. 
     


    I wish mine looked like that! What plugs do you use?
     
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    Re: I want a copy of Sonar Platinum, how do i get it? 2018/02/06 04:19:22 (permalink)
    There is no tech support or customer support.  If you want Sonar Platinum, Guitarcenter still has it but the next shipment isn't scheduled until February 28, 2018.
     
    http://www.guitarcenter.c...walk/SONAR-Platinum.gc
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    Re: I want a copy of Sonar Platinum, how do i get it? 2018/02/06 05:27:38 (permalink)
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    There is no tech support or customer support.  If you want Sonar Platinum, Guitarcenter still has it but the next shipment isn't scheduled until February 28, 2018.
     
    http://www.guitarcenter.c...walk/SONAR-Platinum.gc



    Wow! And they seriously have the gall to charge full retail ($499!) for it!
     
    If you really want it, it might be worth waiting for the inevitable markdown as a clearance item.

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    Re: I want a copy of Sonar Platinum, how do i get it? 2018/02/06 05:38:01 (permalink)
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    I bounce synths to audio as soon as I'm happy with the part. Then I switch them off. So that leaves the plugins I use to mix with. My projects run to 100+ tracks and I use large FX chains on many of them. So I expect quite a CPU hit, and do all my mixing at a 2048 buffer size. You only really get those large spikes from synths that park themselves on one core and max it out. Stuff like Native Instruments' Monark, which runs in Reaktor at 96kHz, will typically cause spikes in a large project. But when you're just using non-synth plugins, you don't have to worry about spiking so much in my experience. Also I think it helps to limit the number of cores your DAW uses. I have 12 virtual cores but I restrict Sonar to 10, leaving 2 for Windows. I've seen this advice repeated a lot of times and it seems to work. 

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    Re: I want a copy of Sonar Platinum, how do i get it? 2018/02/06 05:42:52 (permalink)
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    I have emailed support 2x and got nothing back yet.
    Basically i want plugin load balancing, i own Sonar professional, But now i use a lot of the Acustica plugs and think the plug in load balancing will help a lot with those as they are high cpu usage.
    Anyone know who to talk to to get an upgrade at this point in time or get a deal on sonar Platinum?
     




    The only circumstance in which plugin load balancing will make a positive difference is if you have one or more cores which spike a lot higher than the rest. This usually happens when a plugin or synth makes a heavy load on one core. If your cores are heavily taxed, but all at a similar level, then load balancing won't help and in fact might make matters worse because the feature carries some overhead itself. 
     
    Personally I've never seen a benefit. This is what my cores typically look like in a very large, plugin-heavy project - as you can see, quite high CPU usage but nothing is really spiking. 
     

     
    In fact in my case, turning on load balancing often makes Sonar refuse to start the transport for whatever reason. 
     


    I wish mine looked like that! What plugs do you use?
     




    Nothing out of the ordinary, but I guess some quite CPU-heavy stuff. A lot of reverbs and a lot of analog modeled stuff, like NI's Passive EQ and Waves J37. As stated above, I find the only plugins which spike my cores are some of the more CPU-intensive synths like Reaktor and Waves Element. As soon as I've printed my synths to audio and turned them off, I'm limited to regular mixing plugins like the above. I don't know how many plugins I have going in the above image but I'm pretty sure it must be close to 300. If I turned a few synths back on then I'd start to see spikes. So what I do if I need to print a synth part again, I'll hit the FX bypass button temporarily just while the synth's on. That brings all of the cores right back down to zero again and the synth is free to do its stuff without me worrying about it spiking anything. 

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    Re: I want a copy of Sonar Platinum, how do i get it? 2018/02/06 05:45:47 (permalink)
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    I own Professional not Platinum. My first processor in line of 16 cores is spiked when i use the Acustica plugs. They all seem to fall on the 1st one. Load balancing seems ideal for me here from what i have read.
     

     
    Yeah it's likely it would help. The Acustica plugins are known for being very CPU heavy. Do you set your buffer size to the highest available? 
     

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    Re: I want a copy of Sonar Platinum, how do i get it? 2018/02/06 17:10:28 (permalink)
    Yes i have been.
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    Re: I want a copy of Sonar Platinum, how do i get it? 2018/02/06 19:05:22 (permalink)
     I can think of a lot of goods reasons to upgrade to SPLAT without even considering CPU load balancing, however you may be too late.
     But you can still get the tools which are actually just Audio Plugins and instruments that makes SPLAT superior to Pro from 3rd party vendors even if Gibson won't offer them any longer.
     Ever check out the plugin suite that comes with any Focusrite Scarlett audio interface? You could save money on the plugins and instruments by purchasing a Scarlett 2i2 and throwing the interface in the garbage, LoL, but that would be an insane thing to do, of course. Focusrite also has a free plugin collective program that offers really high quality plugins from time to time like a full licensed version of XLN Addictive Drums 2 (same as came with SPLAT) Addictive Keys which is equal to or maybe even better then SPLAT's Real Pianos plugin, depending on some ENORMOUSLY varying opinions ranging from extremely biased to none bias.
     But seriously though, the Drawmer S 73  dynamics mastering compressor(s) plugin that comes bundled with the SoftTubes package is worth the price of the 2i2 all by itself. And I'm just naming a few.
     
    But there sure are some great and useful Cakewalk audio plugins and instruments that would almost be a sin to lose that came bundled with SPLAT that actually gave it super value packed, even though it cost(ed) $300 more, now it will most likely cost 2x that to catch up thru 3rd party vendors that Cakewalk USED to license from or vendors of equal quality.
     Vendors like iZotope, Waves, and Eventide can get to be pretty pricy collecting plugins even with their super sales offers.
     
    Have you tried looking on the Tascam website? I would think, but don't actually know that they would offer an upgrade there for their new line of Tascam recording systems which uses SONAR PRO as the central DAW software. It would seem to make sense for Tascam to at least sell Plugins like the Adaptive Limiter and or Rapture Pro separately somewhere.
    It seems to me that SONAR has been incorporated into the Tascam recording suites lineup where they now sell it as part as a system OS for their carefully designed preconfigured and packaged recording system completely bundled with a computer, comprehensive set of high quality basic audio FX and vsti instruments suites, audio interface, mic, and headphones "That they tested and KNOW will work and be compatible with each other!"
     
     Comparing it to high performance a race car, I kind of look at it as a nitro burning Tascam Porta Studio with an overhead cam and open headers designed to run as flawlessly as it can with a relatively small engine get to capture and successfully record 8 -16 tracks of audio on an affordable moderately powerful Intel i5 CPU .
     I've seen and know people who already have been doing that for quite some time now since SONAR X3 with i5 class systems which hold up GREAT in a project until they get burdened with "MIXING" sessions with too many automated tracks with too many plugins and synths running. Not to mention those who think nothing of using heavy hitting CPU intensive mastering plugins on tracks and or running mastering suites like iZotope Ozone in the main output buss all at the same time...
     Don't get me wrong, I am a great fan of iZotope, and particularly Ozone, but only use it with Sound Forge during the finals for mastering sessions.
     
    Anyway, I'm thinking you've missed the boat on getting a "Cakewalk" SONAR Platinum upgrade.
     
    I believe it was Craig Anderton who said "Trying to keep up with fixes, patches, and updates is like trying to hit a moving target", and I couldn't agree more when it comes to such a wide array of users from starter, novice, on up to skilled audio/MIDI engineers, and using such a wide array of computers from decades old machines to current tech, from ultra cheap bargain box laptop computers they bought at the Wal-Mart blowout sale on up to high quality component and performance workstations.
     
    As much as I don't like to say or even realize it, I don't blame Gibson Brands for throwing their hands in the air, shuttering the Cakewalk brand, and keeping the technology alive through Tascam.
     And even if they drop the SONAR name completely and call it by another name, the technology still lives on....
     
    And SONAR goes on to live to be "The greatest and most coveted vintage DAW the world has ever known."
     Ya know, kind of like some old worn out '69 Les Paul Custom with it's paintjob peeling off, or that beat up mystical '64 Fender Deluxe amp, both of which can command ridiculously stupid sums of money to not only covet, but to keep up and running, AND none of which Gibson of Fender will ever see..
     
    My experiences with SPLAT's CPU core load balancing didn't "seem" to have any useful effect on my 4th gen Intel i7 on the brief time SPLAT was installed on that machine.
      SPLAT appeared to only use as many cores as it needed with the first core running the hottest averaging between 50%-75% with a 30 to 40 track project. If one core spiked hard enough to cause an audio engine dropout with load balancing off, the core wouldn't spike with load balancing turned on all cores ran and danced around 50%-60%, but the audio engine dropout would still occur at the same exact spot on the time line 
     
    My experiences with SPLAT's CPU core load balancing with the AMD FX 8370 turned on and off are quite different but mostly appear to be only visual with an equivalent 30 to 40 track project.
     With it off the first core does the brunt of the work dancing rather quickly anywhere between 30% up to startling red zone spikes, but the other cores kick in quick enough to avoid any audio engine dropouts, though may produce a quick but passing none destructive stutter.
     With core load balancing turned on the FX 8370 runs smoothly with all 8 cores dancing between 20%-30%, it rarely breeches 50% on any core but when it does it may produce a quick but passing none destructive stutter.
     I can only assume the differences in percentages and performance is due to the AMD architecture of having 8 physical cores  running at a much faster base clock CPU, FSB + PCIe Buss, and memory timing speeds allows for smooth operation running the Focusrite 18i20 @ lower latency @ 128 bit buffer as opposed to the slower across the board i7's 8 virtual core and buss architecture slightly higher, but not really humanly detectable latency smooth operation @ 256 bit buffers. Well, at least this human can't detect the difference between 2.7 ms and 6 ms in real-life recording latency, LoL, so these numbers mean more then nothing as does load balancing.
     Believe me, there is nothing wimpy about that i7 machine, and it's powerful enough where it can rock steady and deliver excellent results without ever having to change buffer settings for mixing sessions.
    But then I never have the occasion, even in very complex orchestrated compositions where I need more then 48 tracks to get my musical ideas or point across.
     
     I'd also like to point out with the observation that weird and unpredictable things can happen to a project when you keep switching back and forth turning load balancing on and off to make quick comparisons only produces weird and unreliable results.
     
    But truth be told, I actually don't know if load balancing has any benefits other then making the performance meters less distracting, and when the meters start to average around 30% it's a subtle reminder it's time to start freezing and saving tracks I'm committed to and no longer working on.
    I leave it on because I've recorded many projects now with it on and it never produced negative results and a really, really detest seeing red warning lights coming on anywhere in the GUI during recording as much as I do on the instrument panel of my car.
     
     

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    Re: I want a copy of Sonar Platinum, how do i get it? 2018/02/06 20:09:40 (permalink)
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    I own Professional not Platinum. My first processor in line of 16 cores is spiked when i use the Acustica plugs. They all seem to fall on the 1st one. Load balancing seems ideal for me here from what i have read.
     


    I just noticed you are running a 16 core CPU(s)? Is that older duel 8 core CPUs running on a motherboard designed for a server? A new Intel i9 or AMD Ryzen Thread Ripper?


    Well in any case, I seriously doubt any version of SONAR will support or recognize more then 8 cores on a single CPU, and most likely the #1 reason Cakewalk Support which I'm thinking doesn't do any research or testing for brand new tech toys like Intel i9's or AMD Ryzen Thread Ripper's, or for that matter develop absolutely anything anymore.
     Hence, it is quite possible SONAR will only recognize the 1st core on the 1st in line CPU
     
     The only DAW I'm sure that can support server configuration mobo's or multiple computers at once would be Pro Tools HD, but that's pricey, very, very, very, very, very, pricey

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    Re: I want a copy of Sonar Platinum, how do i get it? 2018/02/06 20:28:38 (permalink)
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    Well in any case, I seriously doubt any version of SONAR will support or recognize more then 8 cores on a single CPU, and most likely the #1 reason Cakewalk Support which I'm thinking doesn't do any research or testing for brand new tech toys like Intel i9's or AMD Ryzen Thread Ripper's, or for that matter develop absolutely anything anymore.

    According to Noel SONAR will use all the cores available to it, see http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3606880
     
    In that case the user had 2x44 core Xeon processors and SONAR configured itself to use all 88 cores. The CPU display in the Performance module has a 32 core limit though.
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    Re: I want a copy of Sonar Platinum, how do i get it? 2018/02/06 20:44:20 (permalink)
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     The only DAW I'm sure that can support server configuration mobo's or multiple computers at once would be Pro Tools HD, but that's pricey, very, very, very, very, very, pricey

    And Reaper. Cheap
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    Re: I want a copy of Sonar Platinum, how do i get it? 2018/02/07 17:11:17 (permalink)
    Wait for the new owner!!!

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    Re: I want a copy of Sonar Platinum, how do i get it? 2018/02/08 05:01:53 (permalink)
    I seem to remember a thread where someone posted settings that would equalize the load to all available cores; do a search.
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    Re: I want a copy of Sonar Platinum, how do i get it? 2018/02/08 19:28:51 (permalink)
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    I own Professional not Platinum. My first processor in line of 16 cores is spiked when i use the Acustica plugs. They all seem to fall on the 1st one. Load balancing seems ideal for me here from what i have read.
     


    I just noticed you are running a 16 core CPU(s)? Is that older duel 8 core CPUs running on a motherboard designed for a server? A new Intel i9 or AMD Ryzen Thread Ripper?


    Well in any case, I seriously doubt any version of SONAR will support or recognize more then 8 cores on a single CPU, and most likely the #1 reason Cakewalk Support which I'm thinking doesn't do any research or testing for brand new tech toys like Intel i9's or AMD Ryzen Thread Ripper's, or for that matter develop absolutely anything anymore.
     Hence, it is quite possible SONAR will only recognize the 1st core on the 1st in line CPU
     
     The only DAW I'm sure that can support server configuration mobo's or multiple computers at once would be Pro Tools HD, but that's pricey, very, very, very, very, very, pricey


    Thanks for all your thoughts. The computer is a Z800 Hp server dual Xeon 2.8gig processors with 72 gigs ram.
     Sonar sees all 16 cores and uses them fine. But as i mentioned certain plugs really hit the first one hard, like the Acustica ones and Slate Fg-x for example.


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    Re: I want a copy of Sonar Platinum, how do i get it? 2018/02/08 19:30:45 (permalink)
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    Freeze sharke, freeze.




    I have 12 virtual cores but I restrict Sonar to 10, leaving 2 for Windows. I've seen this advice repeated a lot of times and it seems to work. 




    How do you do that?
     
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    Re: I want a copy of Sonar Platinum, how do i get it? 2018/02/08 19:44:02 (permalink)
    Green Needle
    Slate Fg-x for example.

    That is long overdue for V2 which is supposed to be inside of VMR.
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    Re: I want a copy of Sonar Platinum, how do i get it? 2018/02/08 19:55:28 (permalink)
    FakeItTillUmakeIt
    I seem to remember a thread where someone posted settings that would equalize the load to all available cores; do a search.


    This is the closest thread i could find, any hints on working for the search?


    edit: oops forgot to post link, anyway that wasn't it.
     
     
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    Re: I want a copy of Sonar Platinum, how do i get it? 2018/02/08 21:01:33 (permalink)
    sharke
     
    I have 12 virtual cores but I restrict Sonar to 10, leaving 2 for Windows. I've seen this advice repeated a lot of times and it seems to work. 
     

    Possibly another part of your mysterious happenings?
     
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    Interesting to know SONAR can see and use so many cores, but............ Well, I can't honestly see any reason or practical purpose for having so many cores outside of being capable of running servers hosting 100's or 1000's of users at a time.
     In fact if I wasn't so heavily into video editing I wouldn't have even bothered installing an 8 core FX-8370 to power the extra heavy lifting for running CPU crunching video FX, transitions, and rendering in SONY Vegas Pro is really the only software I have on my computer where running an 8 core makes a huge and noticeable difference in processing and eliminating a quick build up of GUI latency when adding and running multiple audio and video FX.
     Accelerated graphics cards help, but not nearly as much as you would think. 
     The 8 core has a much more significant impact on my workflow and project mix down rendering times. What used to take hours now takes minutes.
     
     As far as SONAR performance is concerned, the differences between my old ancient AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition (3.4g/Hz) 4 core CPU was almost disappointing and certainly would have been a waste of money if it hadn't been for what it did for Vegas.
     That Phenom was a true monster for it's day. I had it  over clocked and running Windows 2000 Pro very stable and smoothly at 3.8 g/Hz which was unbelievable ridiculous speeds at the time.
     
     BTW, overclocking an unlocked CPU won't make SONAR run better, and I highly advise against OCing even if you absolutely KNOW and understand how to set and tweak your BIOS out for it.
     I crashed and burned both the CPU and chipset out within a month on my first attempt stupidly and foolishly trying to reach 4 g/Hz. But the 2sd build rocked steady for 5 or 6 years(?) until I simply pulled it for an upgrade.
     My favorite #1 thing I love about AMD based computers over Intel is their much user friendlier ability to swap out CPU's and memory for serious and noticeable upgrades for older systems. I used that Phenom II 965 in 3 different motherboard upgrades and upgraded for faster memory and buss speeds and kept running it up to Windows 7 Ultimate when I finally got up the nerve and took the wonderful, wonderful SERIOUSLY noticeable plunge to x64 computing.
     It wasn't until this year until AMD changed their CPU socket and chipsets to support their new Ryzen architecture which I'll most likely upgrade to in a year or so.
     I don't think the prices will drop much being they are already so much less expensive that comparable Intel's. (Thank you unmovable Intel brand junkies, LoL) My only reason for waiting is because my Ryzen upgrade will require an all brand new complete new soup to nuts component computer build, and I only build new computers with at least several months of research in seek of the best and finest components available.
     I'm not in any hurry, being I always use the best and finest components available, this 12 or 13 year old machine is still in the top 23% power performers bench test according to PC Matic's weekly world rating, and  
    can still hold it's own or outperform any current preassembled big box computer machine I am actually aware of.
     I've been using PC Matic for at least 10 years now for system maintenance, and run it one a week and it keeps my computer running like new, and I will swear by it.
     
     This quest for speed and never ending pursuit for "gimmie more" is indeed an addiction.
     
    OK that being said, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for someone to buy Cakewalk because I have a strong feeling Gibson Brands doesn't have any intentions of selling the technology, which is still very much alive and well at this very moment the heart and soul of a great new and exciting product called the Tascam Track Factory.
     It's currently being targeted and marketed directly the artist, singer, songwriter, and performer types who couldn't give a rat's arse about core balancing, or any other computer geek stuff including how many cores computers have and or the inner secrets of DAW's work and or how to improve or add more stuff to them.
    SONAR which has been in (over?) development for 30 years now ships preloaded on a tiny Intel i5 NUC preconfigured and optimized by industry leading professionals, GAURENTEED to run flawlessly on a trimmed and optimized Windows 10 OS.
     It comes with everything an artist, singer, songwriter, and performer types need, plus a plethora of things they'll most likely never use or even know or care to find out are there.
     All they care about is being able to pull it out of the box, set it up, and start recording their stuff in about 5 minutes.
     'Tis a beautiful thing indeed, surprisingly simple to use as well as being a real money maker for all involved.
     Being the forward thinker I am, I already have distributed business cards to local music retailers that sales people are more then happy to give anyone buying a Tascam Track Factory and telling them that if they have any problems figuring out how to use this thing, and or take your music projects to a higher professional level mixes and mastering, get in touch with Steev for lessons.
     After they sell it they don't want to know any more about then Gibson does about SONAR users problems trying to run DAW on a God only knows what kind of computer or configuration that is typically ill suited to run a DAW on, and how many users are ill suited to understand or comprehend where these problem are stemming from.
     
     I charge $35 for a lesson, most people don't need more then one with a Track Factory bundle, and I've been giving lessons and booking mixing sessions as well as fixing and building computers and workstations for years now so I'm popular enough in the area to make a living..
     A MUCH better and more stable living then working in the local sweatshops or relying on trying to keep a band happy & together for club gigs and merch sales.
     
    It's funny how life can take such 180 degree turns isn't it? I used to give lessons to supplement my income, whether it was working in a garage as an auto mechanic, or the lead guitarist or bassist in a rock & roll band, and it's completely the other way around.
     
    I also started my multi track recording career on a Teac 3340 tape machine in the very early 70's and for decades now I have proudly and very successfully mixing in Cakewalk, and started studying recording and producing music digitally directly to SONAR 4 Producer, the first trustworthy solution for recording multi track directly to computer's hard disc. That's the time I took a leap of faith and sold my Tascam DA-88's
     Much thanks Berklee Music home study courses, they where absolutely instrumental in helping me understand the leaps and bounds of jumping from analog pond into the enormous seemingly endless digital ocean of freedom of non linier recording on a seeming unlimited number of tracks and FX processing.
     And thanks to Berklee I realized many, many things, that would have taken many more years to learn by trial and error, or maybe never learned at all.
     
    #1 lesson was always be conscience to take the shortest signal path and use the least amount of processing to NONE at all get the job done cleanly and properly.
     This is also true with analog recording, but with analog gear there are lots of wires and snakes of wire running to and from mixing consoles, patch bays, inboard FX and racks full of auxiliary FX, and racks of outboard FX, and then finally to the recorder.
    #2 Just because you "can" doesn't mean you "should". The DAW, gear, and processors you use isn't nearly as important as the talent, knowledge, and skills you have and acquire to understand what they can do, and to use them properly and in the place and chain they were intended to be used in to record a great sounding song.
     OK so the first rule of rock and roll is there are no rules. And yeah that attitude is great for creation, but absolutely horrible for pulling off successful engineering purposes.
     Knowing the differences between the types of FX and being intimately familiar with the limits of what they do and how they do it is really the only way assure trouble free recording.
     Yes you can use Track FX plugins on Busses and Buss FX plugins on Tracks successfully, but only if you KNOW and understand the rules before breaking them
     Yeah you can use Ozone, which is a suite of multiple MASTERING processors on every track, but Ozone gobbles up a LOT of CPU processing, and that seemingly harmless idea will most certainly give you serious problems very early on. In fact Ozone isn't even intended to be used on a DAW's master buss.
     And yes I know iZotope says you can, and it's typically OK to do providing to don't have to many FX plugins running on too many Tracks.
     But where Ozone really shines and polishes things up is when used with MASTERING sound editors software, like Audacity or Sound Forge, or any other sound editing software designed specifically for traditional mastering.
     And while SONAR has some really good high quality mastering plugins which works really great for one song at a time on YouTube, Band Camp, Sound Cloud or Reverb Nation. As great of a DAW as SONAR is, all DAW's are ill suited for mastering multiple songs, mixed and strung fluidly together for a Demos or Albums destined for A&R deal placements through services like MusicXray.com where ready to publish unpublished finished products are an absolutely must, or mastering Red Book CD authoring.
     I have never, nor have I ever known any artist who ever achieved a decent well paying publishing/placement deal, or any money at all from trying to sell music and be discovered on free to upload websites.
     It takes the proper amount of MONEY, investing, and WORK to achieve SUCCESS!
     There really are no accidents, coincidences, and or luck involved for success, it's all built upon hard work.
     
     And to quote the Mighty Quincy Jones; "THE ONLY PLACE YOU'LL FIND 'SUCCESS' BEFORE 'WORK' IS IN THE DICTIONARY, and that's just because of alphabetical order."
     
    SONAR ISN'T DEAD, IT HAS COME OF AGE AS IT'S FINISHED COOK'IN AND JUST CALLED TASCAM NOW!
     Something I find amusing, because I started my recording career out with Teac, Tascam's parent company, and I shall be ending it with Tascam.
    The only THING that has died around here is the very faulty concept that living in a constant state change and development could actually be a good thing.
     Cakewalk's ongoing attempts to try to please everybody has created an enormously fat and over bloated hard disc spacing wasting DAW on it's journey from v4 to Platinum.
      And even though Cakewalk has produced the most affordable widely used and feature rich DAW in the world, it still can't unseat Pro Tools as the industry standard.
     But I believe that's really only because of "Opinion" based on marketing securing Apple's vise like grip on the entertainment industry.
     The fact of the matter is, DAW technology has refined, matured, and grown to the point today where they are all really, really, GOOD AT WHAT THEY DO.
     I have long come to the realization that the real reason honest to goodness is why SONAR is my personal absolute favorite is because it's the DAW I am most familiar with.
     BTW, here's a fun fact, SONAR Professional was actually priced $25 dollars less than "owning" a flat out full license version of Reaper, you don't need to take my word for it just go to their website and read the fine print boys and girls. And I'm also thinking as good as Reaper is, and indeed it is, it's more on par with SONAR  Artist (feature wise) then it is with SONAR Pro.
     But that's not why Reaper is my personal least favorite choice, it's because Reaper is to me the least familiar DAW. I don't know anyone who actually knows enough about what there are doing with Reaper, and as a SPLAT user, I have no incentive to learn, because I'm confident that SPLAT will continue to serve me well for the rest of my life, which, turning is turning 65 next month. But a very young, healthy, and active 65 with a very childish attitude who doesn't even have grey hair yet.
     Just old enough to know there's no reason to believe SPLAT will instantly become useless or even less supremely powerful just because Gibson shuttered the Cakewalk Store..
     I also see no reason to believe I won't easily make it to a very healthy 75 years old, how ever, I seriously doubt I'll be recording and making music past 5 years from now.
     Right now I'm pushing hard to do as much as i can before I turn 70, at which point I fully intend to retire, put my feet up on the coffee table and say; "Screw all Ya'all, I've gave it my best shot for 62 years and done my part, now lets hear whatcha got for me. 
     
     Now while I've seen a handful of I would never want to live without great new features and workflow improvements over the years with SONAR, and although I'm not sure, I feel easy to assume that these improvements I really like so much happened and included with Professional, like automatic take lane assignment that makes comp editing all so much easier and much more fun, and really cool MIDI editing features and improvements to name a few.
      But I'm think'in 90% of all what else is included is stuff I'll never use, nor even care about even learning how to use.
     I don't need all these loops or plugins designed to destroy pristinely recorded drums to make them sound like a drum machine, and I certainly don't need Cakewalk Command Center wasting countless 100's of gigs of HD space with monthly FULL SONAR VERSIONS downloads in the subscription plan.
     I was wondering one day how come my boot drive was mysteriously growing and filling up. Strange because both SONAR and Vegas are set up to store all projects and audio/video data files to save to their own slave drives.
     When I found I had about 24 FULL COMPLETE SONAR VERSIONS, couple full Rapture Pro versions, couple Rapture Session versions, blah, blah, blah.
     I decided, even though I don't mind and wanted to support my favorite DAW's future success with hard earned annual cash donations, I don't really need anymore free stuff, and I no longer wanted to renew my subscription plan that was bulking up C:/ drive. 
     
    So who killed Cakewalk? Was it me, or was it the user/subscribers who can't get enough, who insist on constant change, improvements, more free stuff, and all for free or at a discounted price.
     Come on, we all knew and took advantage of Cakewalk's blowout sales when they were about to release a new version.
     And I'm sure we all skipped version from time to time, didn't we, and how many of us NEVER paid full retail price for their upgrades?
     
    ?Hmm?
     
    Well guess what boys and girls? Gibson don't play that game.. In fact as every guitar player knows, Gibson isn't afraid to make large money that'll give out gasps and wide eyed sticker shock whilst pricing guitars. 
     Do they make the best guitars in the world? I guess that's a matter of opinion and point of view mixed with brand loyalty.
     All I can say is I've played very few Gibson guitars I didn't really like, but I've never loved any Gibson as much as I love my made in Japan Fender Strat,  wasn't exactly cheap when I bought it new in 1984, which still shines is still in unbelievably great and original condition for what's it been through. But still a lot cheaper then a new Les Paul...
    And that being said, I've played a many very expensive American made Strats that I've hated!
     
     Brand loyally has never been what it's cracked up to be, either are guitar amps with old tubes, but that's been a long and frustrating topic of conversation I have with a few fellow guitarists/friends who refuse to plug into my Line 6 Spider V120 and give it a test spin. While everyone agrees it sounds as great as a 64 Fender Deluxe, or a 69 Marshall Plexi or what ever and or pick and choose use what ever type of stomp box you want from a smartphone or tablet it to assign to the line 6 pedal board which hooks to the amp with any standard Cat5 internet wire, they refuse to plug into it because it has no tubes or dozens of old noisy stomp boxes scattered all over the floor.
     I love going to jams, setting up and tuning my guitar in less then 5 minutes, then cracking a beer and watch them spend and hour cursing, screaming, running around replacing 9 volt batteries, and trying to find patch cords and guitar cables that aren't too noisy and still work.
     I don't even need a guitar cable any more, the V120 is wireless ready and has transmitter that stays charged for at least six hours of constant that I know of, and it automatically mutes itself when it turns on or shuts off by plugging or unplugging it from the guitar. Really cool for switching guitars. The V120 also has very good acoustic guitar presets.
     
    But this Tascam/SONAR marriage is just too cool to hear much more whining about, LoL there's certainly nothing "ARMAGEDDON" about it.
     It's very new school tech much in vein like the Line 6 Spider V120. In pack it from the box, plug the Keyboard, mouse, and audio interface and maybe something like an X-touch DAW controller or what ever into USB slots, run an HDMI cable to a monitor or TV set, boot it up and start recording.
     No huge SONAR downloads, no driver problems, everything is pre configured, tweaked, optimized, and tested before it is even shipped to you buy Tascam, which has been trusted in the business of recording decades before Cakewalk was ever even a whimsical thought and has THE BEST promise to keep SONAR ALIVE well into the future.

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    Pro Tools.
     
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    Re: I want a copy of Sonar Platinum, how do i get it? 2018/02/09 00:35:30 (permalink)
    Green Needle
     
    Thanks for all your thoughts. The computer is a Z800 Hp server dual Xeon 2.8gig processors with 72 gigs ram.
     Sonar sees all 16 cores and uses them fine. But as i mentioned certain plugs really hit the first one hard, like the Acustica ones and Slate Fg-x for example.






    Wow, that is a HUGE RIG!  I wouldn't worry too much about one core spiking as long as it doesn't interfere with your project or workflow stop the audio engine.
     I have a couple of favorite Waves plugins that are really hard on a CPU, and running them from their own aux buss seems to help a bit to maybe assign processing to another core Windows and SONAR aren't running on. Decently eases the load significantly if you want to run one instance of a plugin across multiple channels thru the aux buss.
     Any plugin that internally up samples for processing then down samples back to meet project bit rate without causing latency is going to be hard on any CPU core and 2x as hard for every instance you assign the plugin to another channel.
     
     A few months ago I was reading an article in the Windows Insider Program about a soon to be released new Windows 10 Professional Workstation OS with a ton of added tools designed to custom tweak out and manage large systems with more then 8 cores and huge amounts memory like you have. It quite possibly may be officially released by now, costing around $250 dollars and doesn't offer free rolling life time upgrades.
    Might be worth looking into because regular versions of Win v8 + v10 Home and Pro don't offer many tools needed to manage any one program capable of utilizing multiple cores. Win 8 has less, Win 7 and below has none what so ever, but even v 8 an 10 don't offer anything to manage things like plugins that only run within a host program.
    These tools in v8 and 10 are suited to managing computer games, or running multiple programs that only run on one core for a smooth fast multi tasking experience and the ability to leave dozens of apps, programs, and several browser windows open all busy up and downloading from different websites.

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    Pro Tools.
     
    ASRock 990FX mobo, AMD FX 8370 8-Core. 16 gb DDR3 PC1866 G Skill Ripjaws X RAM. AMD FirePro V4900 1gb DDR5 accelerated graphics card. 
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    Western Digital 500GB SSD bootdrive,  WD 500GB 10k rpm VelociRaptor for DAW projects . 2x1 TB WD Caviar Black SATA3 storage drives
     
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    Re: I want a copy of Sonar Platinum, how do i get it? 2018/02/09 00:55:06 (permalink)
    Steev - Can you elaborate please    😎

    Sonar Platinum x64 Lifetime, Windows 10 x64, Intel Quad Core CPU@3.40GHz, 8GB RAM, (2)1.5T Hard Drives, Presonus AudioBox 44VSL, Roland A-500Pro MIDI Controller & lots more stuff
      
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