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Re:IT'S ALL CRASH! IT'S ALL CRASH!!! 2012/04/08 15:08:36 (permalink)
mike, actually, no I did not try that.  I will try it.

FBB - thanks.

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Re:IT'S ALL CRASH! IT'S ALL CRASH!!! 2012/04/08 15:52:01 (permalink)
I don't think this will solve the problem...



(BTW - As an extension of my first yakking, it's always a good idea to have a boot disk ready too! )

 
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Re:IT'S ALL CRASH! IT'S ALL CRASH!!! 2012/04/08 15:54:29 (permalink)
well.  looks like I have no choice but to reload windows. 

I have no idea why this has happened or how I got to this problem, but thanks to FBB's link I was able to determine that the windows partition has been found on my drive, but the size of the partition is 0k. 

I tried the /fixmbr and the /fixboot, but it didn't do anything (even tho it said it was successful). 

I tried the /scanos and it reported 0 OS's found

I tried /rebuildbcd and it wasn't able to rebuild anything because it couldn't find anything to rebuild.

apparently the OS is corrupt and I don't see any option but to reload windows.

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Re:IT'S ALL CRASH! IT'S ALL CRASH!!! 2012/04/08 15:59:36 (permalink)
Sorry to hear about it Reece.  Remember back when times were simpler?



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Re:IT'S ALL CRASH! IT'S ALL CRASH!!! 2012/04/08 16:05:06 (permalink)
Well, something did it, and I suppose to me it is the memory you put in. I also have an older ASUS motherboard, and everytime my computer starts up, my memory is tested to see if it is good before the computer starts or else it will stop the computer from starting if memory is bad. However with XP I doubt if the OS would start writing to the harddisk and that is the part I really do not understand and would not want any computer to do at anytime. Just read the harddisk and use chkdsk to check it before it starts or even my anti-virus program to see if anything is on the computer which also can be done before the computer starts up to begin loading the OS. Well, that's my thinking on it, the memory is not right or is bad to begin with that you put into your computer.

 
 
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Re:IT'S ALL CRASH! IT'S ALL CRASH!!! 2012/04/08 16:06:27 (permalink)
I can get it to run a memory check from the repair menu.  windows repair reports no memory errors.

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Re:IT'S ALL CRASH! IT'S ALL CRASH!!! 2012/04/08 16:19:21 (permalink)
Well, if a harddisk is going to fail, then it is the C: drive partition that is going to go first (the boot partition) while every other logical driver letter (I have several on the same harddisk to store the rest of the info and programs) will still be fine. If sticking in a new harddisk I can copy all my data from the old harddisk except what is on the C: drive partition which is bad. I had a harddisk fail on another computer one time. \

 
 
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Re:IT'S ALL CRASH! IT'S ALL CRASH!!! 2012/04/08 16:27:33 (permalink)
I know it's a bit late for you now but your experience goes to show the importance of backups. I lost data on an Amiga, many, many years ago and I've been over paranoid with backup images ever since.

They have saved me hours of stress on more than one occasion. I personally use Acronis True Image but there are plenty of others out there that do the same thing, and well worth the relatively small outlay.

I image all my drives overnight every Monday and always have two images of each available at any one time. On top of that I have a Windows 7 image taken just after initial install and another taken after all my programs had been installed. See....a paranoid Fanboi. . Well worth the time and effort though.

Sorry you couldn't get it going but at least you had data backups.
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Re:IT'S ALL CRASH! IT'S ALL CRASH!!! 2012/04/08 16:45:06 (permalink)
Hope that no personal (or worse, your music) files would be affected

I remember my own experience with crashing hard drives, I was almost in tears telling the computer technician i went to to not give up on the hard disk because all my Sonar projects were there. After 2 days of tinkering he called me and said that he managed to back-up my music partition. He only asked for $10 for saving my music life.
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Re:IT'S ALL CRASH! IT'S ALL CRASH!!! 2012/04/08 17:35:35 (permalink)
I've had hard drives fail before as well.  tha'ts why I do backups of my data.  My first drive that has several of my original projects died and I did get someone to change out the electronics on it, but that wasn't enough.  it would have taken from $300 to $1k to get the data from it.  I still have the drive, but my projects on that drive are lost.

when I get it running I will start making image backups of my OS drive.

sigh.

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Re:IT'S ALL CRASH! IT'S ALL CRASH!!! 2012/04/08 18:41:16 (permalink)
I think I'm going to opt to wait a few days on a replacement drive to arrive instead of reinstalling on this one.  My DAW will be down for about a week while I wait on the new drive and then it will take at least a couple of days to reload anything.

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Re:IT'S ALL CRASH! IT'S ALL CRASH!!! 2012/04/08 20:44:37 (permalink)
Poor frustrated pooch...



(And that's just from reading all of Bapu's posts!  Imagine what he looks like now... )

 
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Re:IT'S ALL CRASH! IT'S ALL CRASH!!! 2012/04/08 21:21:09 (permalink)

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Re:IT'S ALL CRASH! IT'S ALL CRASH!!! 2012/04/08 21:24:04 (permalink)
reece.anything in the bios about memory there that might need to be checked.because ive never heard of this happening but im sure it is possible,when was your last bios update...and did you need to hit f1 during boot or did it just fire right in to the windows logo?

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Re:IT'S ALL CRASH! IT'S ALL CRASH!!! 2012/04/08 21:28:59 (permalink)
Hey, Charlie - I've removed the memory I put in the system just in case it was causing the problem, so the system is back to the state it was before the crash.  then I removed all peripherals except the PCI cards.

the last bios update I did was months ago, but I did reset the bios when this happened, but it didn't help. 

it has not asked me to go into bios during the boot sequence, it just tries to load windows and can't finish. 

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Re:IT'S ALL CRASH! IT'S ALL CRASH!!! 2012/04/08 22:38:17 (permalink)
 Wow sorry to hear this Reece, I don't know if it will work on windows 7 but I've reinstalled XP before right on top of an old installation and all my files were there(just don't format). I had to re-authorize some plugs but much work was saved.

 As you know I went all crash in the loud speaker a few weeks ago. The P4 is no more :( 

 New I5 2400 machine up and running. Just getting everything installed and I'll be back to work on our collab. 

 Hope it goes smooth for ya.

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Re:IT'S ALL CRASH! IT'S ALL CRASH!!! 2012/04/08 23:23:44 (permalink)
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Re:IT'S ALL CRASH! IT'S ALL CRASH!!! 2012/04/08 23:42:27 (permalink)
Sorry, you have to re-load Reece.  I know it's a pain.  I suspect that Bapu caused it so he can catch up to you while you're dealing with the PC problems.  

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Re:IT'S ALL CRASH! IT'S ALL CRASH!!! 2012/04/09 01:31:34 (permalink)
I hate that I can't help you, Beag... :( 

But dang, this is an informative thread.  

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Re:IT'S ALL CRASH! IT'S ALL CRASH!!! 2012/04/09 07:13:15 (permalink)
yep, I was just thinking about you and your crash, Grant!  glad yours is up and purring now!  I thought about trying to reinstall windows back on that drive again, but if the drive has physical problems (which I suspect may be the case), then I don't want to continue using it anyway.  I will reload on a new drive and then go look at that drive and see if there was anything I missed on backups (which, I'm pretty sure I was throrough).

Jan - he is a programmer, isn't he?  could he have sent me a virus in an email to cause this just to get ahead of me??? 

craig - good boy.

Jules - thanks.  this is the strangest crash I've ever had before.  I have had hard drives fail before, but never at the exact moment I went to install new memory!  I keep replaying it all in my head and can't think of anything I did that might have caused this.  oh well.

the good news in all of this is that I found a combo package on newegg for the new hard drive so that for $40 extra I get Sony Vegas!  not a bad deal!

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Re:IT'S ALL CRASH! IT'S ALL CRASH!!! 2012/04/09 09:04:02 (permalink)
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yep, I was just thinking about you and your crash, Grant!  glad yours is up and purring now!  I thought about trying to reinstall windows back on that drive again, but if the drive has physical problems (which I suspect may be the case), then I don't want to continue using it anyway.  I will reload on a new drive and then go look at that drive and see if there was anything I missed on backups (which, I'm pretty sure I was throrough).

Jan - he is a programmer, isn't he?  could he have sent me a virus in an email to cause this just to get ahead of me??? 

craig - good boy.

Jules - thanks.  this is the strangest crash I've ever had before.  I have had hard drives fail before, but never at the exact moment I went to install new memory!  I keep replaying it all in my head and can't think of anything I did that might have caused this.  oh well.

the good news in all of this is that I found a combo package on newegg for the new hard drive so that for $40 extra I get Sony Vegas!  not a bad deal!

Ya.  You never know.  


Vegas Babeee!  It's good to reload once in a while.  It's just better to do it when it's convenient and not when you're in the middle of other things.  Good idea about getting a new drive.  

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Re:IT'S ALL CRASH! IT'S ALL CRASH!!! 2012/04/09 10:22:40 (permalink)
Reece... depending on what is on that drive..... it may be easily recoverable when you get the new drive in place and running. 

I had a c drive fail about 5 years or so back.  I installed a brand new c drive and installed the OS on it.  Then out of curiosity more than anything else, I installed the "dead non-booting drive" in the system as a slave d drive.  I was able to see all the files and folders on it and copy them off. 

I don't know if that will be the case with your drive but if there are important files on it, it might just work.

No way would I trust it from this point forward.... get the data off it that you need, if you can and then .... it's hammer time. 

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Re:IT'S ALL CRASH! IT'S ALL CRASH!!! 2012/04/09 10:50:37 (permalink)
What Guitarhacker said. Yep! Don't think it have anything to do with Windows Activation or else it probably would have came up. But that will come up probably re-installing Windows so harddisk drives fail and right now it seems as if that is the case, although I have no idea what the writing to the harddisk by Windows is/was all about. But then it is just a program and usually it always turns out to be something else, but if the memory is correct for your computer and it is in the computer correctly then it should have not presented a problem that way, and it must be the harddisk drive. That is why I subdivide my harddisk drive down into logical drives because I have other things on my computer (and too much crap lately I don't use anymore like programming examples and programming stuff and patches for programs and games I don't even play anymore) and if anyone wanted to make DVD or CD backups, then 80 or more CD's I am not going to do. I store it on the harddisk drive or on a second harddisk drive and leave it there instead of making 80 or more CD or DVD backup disks. Blah, the bigger the harddrive, the harder to back up everything on each logical drive, but, but, but, the C: drive will always go first because it gets more use and that is where the harddisk drive fails and when that goes, there is nothing to do except get a new harddisk drive and put on the OS again, but a image backup (a program called Aconis whatever it is mentioned before) makes a handy way of just dumping back the OS onto the new harddrive and everything is in place and it takes way less time to do that, then install all the programs again and spend a week doing that (which I have also done) which is really not any fun. A backup of the OS on the C: drive and done in an hour and copying the logical drives from the old harddisk drive to the new logical drives of the new harddisk drive takes - a few hours at the most and it is all done and running just like nothing happened all on the new harddisk drive.

 
 
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Re:IT'S ALL CRASH! IT'S ALL CRASH!!! 2012/04/09 11:02:34 (permalink)
In fact my harddisk drive (I use it as a second or slave drive now) was getting old and I bought a new bigger harddisk drive and making the image of the C: drive takes about 40 minutes at the most and copying it back to the new harddrive takes about 20-30 minutes at the most. Copying from harddrive to harddrive when the old harddrive is put in as the slave takes anywhere from about 25 minutes to whatever depending on the size of the logical drive but probably never more than an hour and usually much less time. Making an image and copying each logical drive would probably take longer making the image and restoring it, or about the same amount of time but making the image is what adds to the time spent while just copying from harddisk to harddisk goes faster in the end, and half a day spent on that and all is working just like before. Then I can go back to the usual wasting time on the computer instead of being ran by the computer and beating it with a musical baton because it can't be my timing with the tempo set in Sonar it must be the computer and although Yoda I am not, well, at least just for fun I have thought about it (beating the monitor and computer with a musical baton just for the heck of it - weird I know), but then Microsoft thinks it owns your computer anyway with their OS so it is getting tireding of the way these programmers think. Can't buy anything that don't need a patch for a program nowadays because of piracy it seems or whatever the others do that they should not. Thus the conductor in me with the musical baton!

 
 
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Re:IT'S ALL CRASH! IT'S ALL CRASH!!! 2012/04/09 11:06:27 (permalink)
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Boot from your Win 7 install disk and then.........

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927392

I build my own machines and have not used any "named" machines for some time in order to prevent this kinda of garbage, specially when the majority of these issues has more to do with the compatibility of programs and OS than it does with anything else.
 
I imagine (can't say for sure) that the Hard Drive is not corrupted but simply needs to be wiped and then formatted again, so the information on the Hard Drive and the Bios are in sync ... and I have seen this happen a couple of times when someone created a "virtual" drive, or the old "ramdrives".
 
All my backups are on external drives and I keep 2 of them all the time, as I do not trust the "backup" or "restore" functions in prefab computers. Learned this on a named computer where you could not change the memory to do any updates or upgrades because all the restore disks and stuff is expecting to have the old configurations that no longer exist.
 
Now you know why "named computers" are not adviseable unless you can get them clean and no OS installed so you can do your own thing, and I know that Dell, HP, and all those names will not allow you to do so ... thus upgrading a machine of theirs is a problem waiting to happen!

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Re:IT'S ALL CRASH! IT'S ALL CRASH!!! 2012/04/09 11:09:41 (permalink)
guitarhackerI had a c drive fail about 5 years or so back. I installed a brand new c drive and installed the OS on it. Then out of curiosity more than anything else, I installed the "dead non-booting drive" in the system as a slave d drive. I was able to see all the files and folders on it and copy them off.

 
Agreed and these are also my backups ... and you can clean them once they are "slaves" and you see them. I tend to take things out immediately and then reformat the thing. I have 4 of these now for backups, 2 of them connected to the machines with enclosures for them.

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Re:IT'S ALL CRASH! IT'S ALL CRASH!!! 2012/04/09 11:14:21 (permalink)
It could have been much worse Beag.......





























...but fortunately my machine is working fine just now...

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Re:IT'S ALL CRASH! IT'S ALL CRASH!!! 2012/04/09 11:19:55 (permalink)
Sorry to hear about the HD issue Reece.....at least it's not affecting your post count.....roight?

Hope you can recover the data from the old(er) drive.

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Re:IT'S ALL CRASH! IT'S ALL CRASH!!! 2012/04/09 12:02:58 (permalink)
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Reece... depending on what is on that drive..... it may be easily recoverable when you get the new drive in place and running. 

I had a c drive fail about 5 years or so back.  I installed a brand new c drive and installed the OS on it.  Then out of curiosity more than anything else, I installed the "dead non-booting drive" in the system as a slave d drive.  I was able to see all the files and folders on it and copy them off. 

I don't know if that will be the case with your drive but if there are important files on it, it might just work.

No way would I trust it from this point forward.... get the data off it that you need, if you can and then .... it's hammer time. 


yes, I've done that before as well.  I'm pretty certain there isn't any data on the drive that I don't have backed up.  but I do plan on leaving the drive there after installing the new drive and loading windows on it to verify that.

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Re:IT'S ALL CRASH! IT'S ALL CRASH!!! 2012/04/09 12:16:02 (permalink)
spacealf - your posts are very difficult to read and I tend to skim over them instead of reading them because you don't break up your thoughts into coherent paragraphs.  are you using Firefox maybe?  or are you doing that on purpose?  if you're using FF, I would suggest that you switch to Chrome or IE for this forum.  if you're doing that on purpose, I will likely continue to skim your posts and not read all of what you've written.

from what I've skimmed, I don't understand what the windows activation has to do with anything?  I'm certain I will have to reactivate it when I install it on a new hard drive, but the process has been painless in the past.  I'm certain this problem has nothing to do with windows activation, tho.

as far as partitioning the hard drive - no thank you.  if you feel it benefits you, that's fine, but I will not be partitioning any hard drives now or in the future.  there are problems created by partitioning the hard drive which you have not discussed and honestly, I'd rather not get into that in this thread since that's not what this thread's about.  suffice it to say, no partitions for me, I'd rather buy another drive.

I do need to start making drive images at least - I'm not sure I want to go the clone route in the future, but I'll consider it.  I already own Acronis and that's what I use for backups, but I've not been making OS drive images (bad doggie!).  I will start doing that when I'm up and running again.

Pedro - I don't understand what you're talking about with regards to FBB's reference to rewriting the MBR and your response regarding "preventing this kind of garbarge."  FBB didn't refer to any garbage prevention that I'm aware of, so I don't follow that part of your post.

as far as saying that "named computers" are garbage - I don't understand that either.  I don't have a "named computer."  I custom build all of my systems (excpet I do buy used Dells/Compaqs when necessary for my family members who don't need anything more).  my system is custom built Asus P8P67 i5 machine.  I hand picked all of the components myself.  I'm confused where you got the idea I had a Dell or something?

I do understand that the drive itself may not be corrupt, that maybe only windows got corrupt.  I will be checking that when I can get windows loaded on the new drive.

JB - always the helpful one!  always looking out for numero uno! 

Mesh - well, it does affect my post count because I've been busy working on that system instead of posting!!!! 

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