Bhav
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If only I could have learned how to sight read music
I could have just been a piano teacher / tutor.
I spent a very long time with sight reading practice books and loads of sheet music, but Ive never been able to read and play without requiring ages to figure out each bar of music.
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Re: If only I could have learned how to sight read music
2017/06/19 16:57:51
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If only I'd learned how to perform surgery on brains, I could have been a brain surgeon.
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Re: If only I could have learned how to sight read music
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☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2017/06/19 19:02:03
Well, you're not doing anything now (bhav), so go learn it!  (It's not rocket surgery!)
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Re: If only I could have learned how to sight read music
2017/06/19 17:22:52
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If IF was a skiff we would all be on the river now....
some people just cannot do certain things
you deal with it, pick up and move on ..
yea I cannot read bass clef at the same time treble clef(typical piano music) in real time, but thats what fake books are for
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Bhav
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Re: If only I could have learned how to sight read music
2017/06/19 17:25:39
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Well, you're not doing anything now (bhav), so go learn it!
(It's not rocket surgery!)
Tbh rocket surgery is probably easier. The main problem is that my ability to play by ear / memory is too good, so as soon as I know the notes Im playing, Im no longer training my sight reading. For example I already tried going through multiple Scott Joplin pieces and playing them from reading, but my sight reading still never improves. I dont know why. It was one of my biggest issues while at uni and I mentioned to my music lecturers many times that it was the single reason why I was so held back. I did exactly what they advised which was to just buy music books and play what I see as slow as it takes me and do a different piece each day but still this never worked.
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Re: If only I could have learned how to sight read music
2017/06/19 17:53:31
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It worked for me. I got a book of John Renbourn guitar pieces out of the library, and it was in standard notation so I set about picking them out very slowly measure by measure. By the end of the book I was beginning to sight read, so I bought a big book of classical guitar pieces and started practicing with some of the simpler Renaissance tunes. A few months later I was sight reading Bach fugues. And I had never thought I'd ever be able to sight read for guitar because the seemingly endless array of fingering possibilities always put me off. You really just have to stick at it constantly without giving up, even when it seems you're making no progress.
One thing I would suggest in your case is to forget about learning to sight read on your main instrument because it sounds like your muscle memory is getting in the way. Pick something you've never played before, like a recorder or penny whistle, something relatively simple and melodic. The idea is that you have not yet developed a muscle memory with this new instrument and so you can concentrate on reading the notes with less chance of your fingers memorizing the piece. Start with really elementary tunes like 3 Blind Mice, or some simple jigs and the ike.
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Re: If only I could have learned how to sight read music
2017/06/19 18:03:02
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Is this a pennywhistle Fred?
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Re: If only I could have learned how to sight read music
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Re: If only I could have learned how to sight read music
2017/06/19 18:21:45
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If only Beethoven wasn't deaf he could have written some killer music.
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Re: If only I could have learned how to sight read music
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bapu
I read music by ear.
Me too.
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Re: If only I could have learned how to sight read music
2017/06/19 18:29:09
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bapu
I read music by ear.
Me too sometimes. But apparently I'm dyslexic. 
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Re: If only I could have learned how to sight read music
2017/06/19 18:31:59
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Bhav
bapu
I read music by ear.
Me too.
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Re: If only I could have learned how to sight read music
2017/06/19 18:33:24
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But apparently I'm dyslexic.
So is Esvet Mumster.
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Re: If only I could have learned how to sight read music
2017/06/19 18:44:04
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Bhav
I could have just been a piano teacher / tutor.
I spent a very long time with sight reading practice books and loads of sheet music, but Ive never been able to read and play without requiring ages to figure out each bar of music.
I had trouble learning to sight read until I took singing lessons. It showed a technique that was totally unexpected. As a guitarist, I would read "that's an A, that's a C#, that's an A again, and that's an E." Easy, because the frets on the guitar show me where A, C#, and E are. As a singer, I had to find the A, and then go "up a maj 3rd, down to the root, then up to the 5th." Now I can sight-read for guitar (mostly) because I find that first note and then focus on the spacing as opposed to the actual note. I found it much easier to see that going from one space up to the next was simply jumping 2 semi-tones.
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Bhav
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Re: If only I could have learned how to sight read music
2017/06/19 18:48:51
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Bhav
I could have just been a piano teacher / tutor.
I spent a very long time with sight reading practice books and loads of sheet music, but Ive never been able to read and play without requiring ages to figure out each bar of music.
I had trouble learning to sight read until I took singing lessons. It showed a technique that was totally unexpected.
As a guitarist, I would read "that's an A, that's a C#, that's an A again, and that's an E." Easy, because the frets on the guitar show me where A, C#, and E are.
As a singer, I had to find the A, and then go "up a maj 3rd, down to the root, then up to the 5th."
Now I can sight-read for guitar (mostly) because I find that first note and then focus on the spacing as opposed to the actual note. I found it much easier to see that going from one space up to the next was simply jumping 2 semi-tones.
But I sing by ear as well bah. No idea how people can sing a pitch based on written music.
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Re: If only I could have learned how to sight read music
2017/06/19 19:05:51
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I can sight read music and I Am a GUITAR PLAYER!!!
let me repete that
I can sight read music and I Am a GUITAR PLAYER!!!
It's never too late to learn!
Just don't try to learn out of a book
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Re: If only I could have learned how to sight read music
2017/06/19 19:14:54
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I had a hard time, because I started so young and my teachers taught me PATTERNS on the fretboard instead of learning the dots. This was very confusing to me because I could see, for instance a pentatonic PATTERN on the fretboard, but it was divorced from any harmonic meaning.
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Re: If only I could have learned how to sight read music
2017/06/19 19:58:24
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Maybe that could be why I found it hard, I started playing very early and could play every scale by ear naturally.
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Re: If only I could have learned how to sight read music
2017/06/19 20:36:11
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Bhav
Maybe that could be why I found it hard, I started playing very early and could play every scale by ear naturally.
That was my problem before learning to sing. I'd pick up a guitar and play almost anything by ear. So I couldn't read sheet music because I'd have the phrasing down before I'd figured out which note was which on the staff. The key was to see that the sheet music shows the note going up a 4th (for example) and then just play a 4th higher than the last note (and learning those intervals by ear). Actually trying to figure out that the 2nd line down was a D didn't matter - just that it was 4 spaces higher than the A that I was the previous note.
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Re: If only I could have learned how to sight read music
2017/06/19 20:38:00
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Where's the Am note though?
Oh wait, hidden in my bazz tracks.
My bad.
Carry on.
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Re: If only I could have learned how to sight read music
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☄ Helpfulby bayoubill 2017/06/19 21:24:10
bapu
Where's the Am note though?
Oh wait, hidden in my bazz tracks.
My bad.
Carry on.
The bassist is always ignored - so your Am is an " Am NOT."
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Re: If only I could have learned how to sight read music
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☄ Helpfulby bayoubill 2017/06/19 21:24:48
Every Good Bapu Deserves FSF?
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Re: If only I could have learned how to sight read music
2017/06/19 21:42:42
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Bhav owes craigb a BAT for DAT!
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Re: If only I could have learned how to sight read music
2017/06/19 22:06:20
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eph221
I had a hard time, because I started so young and my teachers taught me PATTERNS on the fretboard instead of learning the dots. This was very confusing to me because I could see, for instance a pentatonic PATTERN on the fretboard, but it was divorced from any harmonic meaning.
Also all my music teachers ever taught me for reading music was all cows eat grass, middle c, and face.
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Re: If only I could have learned how to sight read music
2017/06/19 22:25:10
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Bhav
Also all my music teachers ever taught me for reading music was all cows eat grass, middle c, and face.
THAT is where I have been going wrong. I thought it was "all communist eat gherkins"
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Re: If only I could have learned how to sight read music
2017/06/19 23:23:37
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Re: If only I could have learned how to sight read music
2017/06/20 01:34:34
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eph221
I had a hard time, because I started so young and my teachers taught me PATTERNS on the fretboard instead of learning the dots. This was very confusing to me because I could see, for instance a pentatonic PATTERN on the fretboard, but it was divorced from any harmonic meaning.
That was the case with me too, although I never had any lessons. I picked stuff out from tutorials in guitar magazines, and from learning all the solos off "Kill Em All" note for note  I still have a very pattern-centric view of the fretboard, as I'm sure most guitarists who improvise do. But when I learned to read music, what it did was take my focus away from fretboard patterns. It did this mainly because I was forced to stop looking at the fretboard while I was playing. Instead of looking at frets, I was now looking at notes on a stave. Learning pieces stopped being about learning shapes on the fretboard and more about remembering what the music looked like on paper. The upshot is that when I learn a piece from sight reading the music, I find it hard to remember how to play it without the music. Whereas when I learn a piece by ear, all of my usual muscle memory and pattern recognition kicks in.
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Re: If only I could have learned how to sight read music
2017/06/20 09:35:50
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The only lessons I had were the ones at school.
The music curriculum is seriously >no suitable expletive that isnt starred out<
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Re: If only I could have learned how to sight read music
2017/06/20 20:21:15
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My mother's aunt was a marvelous lady who was an organist in a Chicago area church. When I was young and taking piano lessons she always used to admonish me to practice playing hymns in order to improve my sight reading. Well, I hated playing hymns so that advice was totally ignored, but maybe she was on to something.
I have never been able to sight read piano music to save my life. But sight reading vocal music (at least where words are not involved but you just sing "la la la") I find to be fairly effortless. I'm suspect this has to something to do with the brain being able to efficiently process multiple notes on appearing on more than one clef - a talent some people probably naturally have more than others. To that end, banging out hymns for 15 minutes every day might be an excellent way to "train" your brain to deal with multiple simultaneous notes on the page. Hymns have multiple notes but are rhythmically simple and almost never in keys that have lots of sharps or flats. Like I said, maybe my mother's aunt was actually on to something.
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