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2013/10/29 11:34:18 (permalink)

I'm REALLY liking SONAR X3, BUT...

I REALLY need my right-click custom plugin menus fixed! 
 

 
For some reason, I can no longer select any of the other plugin layouts except the one that's checked in this picture (Default All Plugins). Prior to X3, these menus were the only way that I accessed my plugins and I could easily use them 100+ times in a normal day.  Now I am stuck using the default layout and its seriously cramping my workflow. I am also noticing other weird right-click behavior. Since this problem first occurred, the 'External Insert' and 'FX Chains' options also do not work via right-click. 
My workaround is to use the Browser, where I can still access things as expected.  The issue has already been reported to Cakewalk's support team. I'm desperately hoping that a fix makes it into the upcoming X3c release.
 
Now that I have that off of my chest...
 
I REALLY DO LOVE X3!
 
I have used every version of SONAR ever created and X3 is definitely the most stable version! Since I've installed it (on release day), it has crashed maybe one or two times total. With previous versions 1 or 2 crashes in a single day was not at all uncommon. So far I have had many full work days on X3 without a single crash. The entire audio engine also feels more solid and less prone to disruptions.
I also love the pop-out EQ...which I also only just discovered yesterday! ;-)
The track colors feature is also extremely useful. I didn't think much of it until I used it for a few days and begin to realize that it definitely helps with navigating large projects.
I am extremely impressed with this release. I have no doubt that Cakewalk will get the right-click menu issues resolved. I've had to put up with worse bugs in the past (many without workarounds), so I guess I'll just have to be patient for now.
 
Congrats to Cakewalk! Overall, I think they have really created something special with the X3 release.
 
-e.B
 
 
 
post edited by e.Blue - 2013/10/29 13:22:16

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Re: I'm REALLY liking SONAR X3, BUT... 2013/10/29 11:54:59 (permalink)
I'm not in front of my DAW, so can't check if I'm experiencing similar behavior - but have you submitted a bug report to CW?

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Re: I'm REALLY liking SONAR X3, BUT... 2013/10/29 12:15:13 (permalink)
The bug report would be a good idea.
 
Have you tried opening one of your old menus in the Cakewalk's Plug-in manager and the re-saving it?
If this works be sure that you save copies of at least one of them so that, if asked, you can send it to Cakewalk so that they have something to check.
 

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Re: I'm REALLY liking SONAR X3, BUT... 2013/10/29 13:27:07 (permalink)
Thanks for the suggestions guys, the issue has already been reported to Cakewalk support (I just made it a bit clearer in my posting)
 
TheSteven;
 
I've tried just about every conceivable thing I can think of as far a saving, resaving, and moving around the custom menu files. I have also even tried re-installing X3 and the updates...No dice.
 
Thanks again though,
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Re: I'm REALLY liking SONAR X3, BUT... 2013/10/29 14:00:44 (permalink)
I had something similar occur (mine did not even show up), and I remade all my custom layouts while in X3, and that worked.  It was a pain, but now they are back.  Not sure if it would work for you, but you could try a quick on to see.

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Re: I'm REALLY liking SONAR X3, BUT... 2013/10/29 19:24:00 (permalink)
I've also tried making new plugin menus from scratch. They seem to be created just fine. However, like the other custom plugin menus, I cannot select them using right-click. The 'Default All-Plugins' menu still remains selected.
 
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Re: I'm REALLY liking SONAR X3, BUT... 2013/10/29 20:21:34 (permalink)
e.Blue,
I have exactly the same issue.
Hope this does get fixed in X3c


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Re: I'm REALLY liking SONAR X3, BUT... 2013/10/29 20:54:28 (permalink)
done a video on it ......go to prefreence , open asio panel close apply and re do .....
 
by the way e blue  is topped usint X3 after 2 dayz ....can't believe some stuff i have expereience have passed the beta , the only explainatio i have is tha Cakewalk rushed it to be on point fo X3 to be still distributed by Roland .....before the Gibson move or some like that ....if not , bugs are so obvious that the beta testers should be punished !!lol 

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Re: I'm REALLY liking SONAR X3, BUT... 2013/10/29 21:03:24 (permalink)
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done a video on it ......go to prefreence , open asio panel close apply and re do .....
 
by the way e blue  is topped usint X3 after 2 dayz ....can't believe some stuff i have expereience have passed the beta , the only explainatio i have is tha Cakewalk rushed it to be on point fo X3 to be still distributed by Roland .....before the Gibson move or some like that ....if not , bugs are so obvious that the beta testers should be punished !!lol 




 
Hi Zo...can you post a link to the video?
 
My experience with X3 has actually been very good...minus the right-click bugs.  What's weird is that the menus worked OK at first and then all of a sudden they were screwed up.
 
Thanks,
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Re: I'm REALLY liking SONAR X3, BUT... 2013/10/29 21:04:15 (permalink)
My workaround has been to drag fx from the browser where I can use the layout I select, including my custom layout.


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Re: I'm REALLY liking SONAR X3, BUT... 2013/10/29 21:13:07 (permalink)
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My workaround has been to drag fx from the browser where I can use the layout I select, including my custom layout.




Yeah, I've been doing that sometimes too. However, for me I've found that using the Default All Plugins menu is slightly quicker, based on the way that I work.  I have a LOT of plugins, so I sometimes have to do quite a bit of scrolling. I also have to remember stuff like Universal Audio decided to put their plugins in a folder named 'Powered Plugins' instead of using the company name like everyone else. 
 
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Re: I'm REALLY liking SONAR X3, BUT... 2013/10/29 21:21:08 (permalink)
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done a video on it ......go to prefreence , open asio panel close apply and re do .....
 
by the way e blue  is topped usint X3 after 2 dayz ....can't believe some stuff i have expereience have passed the beta , the only explainatio i have is tha Cakewalk rushed it to be on point fo X3 to be still distributed by Roland .....before the Gibson move or some like that ....if not , bugs are so obvious that the beta testers should be punished !!lol 




Are you even posting in the correct thread?
If you 'done a video' where's the link? Or did you rush your post out so quickly that it bypassed what should have been your mental quality control?
 
If you have a solution post it.
If you have a problem and are looking for a solution open a thread or contribute a post to a thread.
 
If you just want to be a troll - go away...

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Re: I'm REALLY liking SONAR X3, BUT... 2013/10/29 21:34:04 (permalink)
Hey e.B,
 
In lack of other remedies I would try the following:
  1. Move out all of the old custom menus so that the only item on the FX Bin list is the 'Default - All Plug-ins' menu
  2. Then, try creating a small custom menu to see if it's possible to select it.
If the new custom menu can be selected - then possibly one of your old menus has problems and is corrupting the ability to select a custom menu.
A corrupt menu shouldn't prevent other menus from being selected or loading - but since nothing else seems to be working this might be a test worth doing.
 
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Re: I'm REALLY liking SONAR X3, BUT... 2013/10/29 21:50:12 (permalink)
http://s638.photobucket.c...nagementissue.mp4.html
 
by the steven calm down i made 2 or 3 threads then i stopped  ..waiting for the new update !!!
 
you're calling me troll while in GS i'm a cakewalk Fan boy !!! lol  i guess you guyz know me better than i do .....woah !! 
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Boston-we-have-a-problem-m2910349.aspx
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/My-afternoon-with-X3-heaven-and-hell-m2909769.aspx
 
By the way i also remember that you gave me a great advice on checking your tools (that i found great by the way) ......so if you don't mind allow people to say waht they want and to ask this Brand to deliver what they can deliver "high quality software" as they used to do ....
 
even if i do my best since years to promote sonar in France in many ways (i aint gonna go details) , it is my duty as a user to say when some wrong .....specilay since i know and can isolate issues ....
 
issues noticed and confimr after 10 min of use :
 
1) plugin layout issue
2) solo track issue
3) slow mutitimbrale plugin inserting
4) bad graphic engine behavior
5) Asio panel issue (asio buffer not displaying)
6) track size scrolling inconsistant
7) not confirmed : VS 700 Act data weirdness
 
i stoped after that , also we lost some goodies (don't know why) like some colors customistation
 
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Re: I'm REALLY liking SONAR X3, BUT... 2013/10/29 22:18:20 (permalink)
Zo,
 
Still don't see what you're reference to the Asio Panel referred to, but maybe I missed something in one of the post in this thread that relates to it.
 
You have a number of issues, I am assuming that you submitted a bug report to Cakewalk.
In regards to your issues - I don't see any specs in footer so there's little that I can suggest on your setup.
 
I regards to the refresh problem you show in your videos. 
  • If you are using Vista or Windows 7 did you 'optimize your performance' settings?
    Check out this article on Improving DAW Performance
    If your are running Windows 7 or Vista and have turned off Aero Glass (or altered Windows Performance Options) to improve your DAW's performance you may have done just the opposite.
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In regards to your comment:
Venting
the only explainatio i have is tha Cakewalk rushed it to be on point fo X3 to be still distributed by Roland .....before the Gibson move or some like that ....if not , bugs are so obvious that the beta testers should be punished !!lol 

 
Please show me how this is constructive? 
 
BTW - I am sorry that you are having these problems and hope that you get them quickly resolved.
My experience with this board is that fellow users will try to help, but comments like the above don't encourage useful answers.
 
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Re: I'm REALLY liking SONAR X3, BUT... 2013/10/29 22:26:31 (permalink)
I'm gonna simply reply that : a system working with X1 should work with X3 , if X3 isn't playing well and my system didn't change (fully oprtimized and rock solid for years as i teach Computer optimisation my own)
 
Nothing is system related , those are bugs !!
 
and yes my last comment was a joke .... but get it how you want .....i ain't tripping , really not that important ....
 
We will see with X3C and the bug list .....and then maybe you will consider that i'm not talking wind ....
 
I beta test for a lot of brands , and i know when somthing is serioulsy solid or not .....
 
i do a lot of videos in youtube in X1 and stress the thing like crazy with ONE glitch !!
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i ain't even trying on X3 seeing what i experince just recording simple bug videos !!!

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Re: I'm REALLY liking SONAR X3, BUT... 2013/10/29 23:28:26 (permalink)
Zo,
 
Out of curiosity - as mentioned in the link, do you have Aero Glass turned off on your system?

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Re: I'm REALLY liking SONAR X3, BUT... 2013/10/29 23:56:13 (permalink)
Sorry Zo but just because an older version of sonar works on your system, it doesn't mean that if a later version doesn't work it must be sonar code at fault. How you configure and optimise each version of sonar is a factor (eg clean AUD.INI, plugin config etc). Also the software may access your driver/s in a different way. e.g. hook into the driver via more optimal methods, which turns out to be a buggy area of the driver... Then again your virus scanner might be slowing down some specific X3 functionality such as plugin scans.

You could easily be right but I disagree with your written assumptions.... Just saying....

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Re: I'm REALLY liking SONAR X3, BUT... 2013/10/30 00:58:52 (permalink)
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i teach Computer optimisation my own)
 
Nothing is system related , those are bugs !!
i ain't even trying on X3 seeing what i experince just recording simple bug videos !!!




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Re: I'm REALLY liking SONAR X3, BUT... 2013/10/30 09:03:56 (permalink)
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Zo,
 
Out of curiosity - as mentioned in the link, do you have Aero Glass turned off on your system?




 
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Re: I'm REALLY liking SONAR X3, BUT... 2013/10/30 09:08:27 (permalink)
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Sorry Zo but just because an older version of sonar works on your system, it doesn't mean that if a later version doesn't work it must be sonar code at fault. How you configure and optimise each version of sonar is a factor (eg clean AUD.INI, plugin config etc). Also the software may access your driver/s in a different way. e.g. hook into the driver via more optimal methods, which turns out to be a buggy area of the driver... Then again your virus scanner might be slowing down some specific X3 functionality such as plugin scans.

You could easily be right but I disagree with your written assumptions.... Just saying....



 
if you told me that you were talking about sonar 8.5 versus X1 i would have said yes of course but X1/X2/X3 diffrences are not that deep .....all the bugs we see are not that deep .....
 
And again i choose and buy systems that i know 100 % safe ...that's why i mess with brands like RME ....ect ....stability and reliability is first on my list everytime ....and again this  is repoductible on my desktop and my HP 8560W that is a beast also ....
 
VGA ati on desktop and quadro on laptop ect ......if i can repoduce it everytime on diffrent system (and also confirmed several times in the forum) , well i guess i can seriously consider that this sin't "My" system related ;)
 
I say it again  X3 is inferior to X1 and you can feel it from start !!! when it come to smoothness aqnd optimistaion ....this can be just a simple thing that is sued for several process ...but i feel it and i see it !!
 
 
 
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Re: I'm REALLY liking SONAR X3, BUT... 2013/10/30 13:53:46 (permalink)
Zo
 
...I say it again  X3 is inferior to X1 and you can feel it from start !!! when it come to smoothness aqnd optimistaion
 
 



Well, that's the thing...   I cannot.  At all.

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Re: I'm REALLY liking SONAR X3, BUT... 2013/10/30 14:53:09 (permalink)
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Zo
 
...I say it again  X3 is inferior to X1 and you can feel it from start !!! when it come to smoothness aqnd optimistaion
 


Well, that's the thing...   I cannot.  At all.




Based on my personal experience I'd have to disagree as well.
 
Even your laptop system should be dancing circles around my wimpy old HP dualcore laptop, that it isn't would indicate that you are probably having a configuration problem.  That both your systems are having the same issues and that the majority of other users are not would also indicate that.  Have you tried rolling back your system optimizations that you have previously mentioned making to your systems to see if they are inadvertently causing the issues that you are having?  
 
In a previous thread Cakewalk asked of you...
Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]
I see you have been having a few issues. Can you contact our tech support and we can try and figure out what is going on.
 
Thanks.


 
and you responded..
 
Zo
i wanna collect all the things before making tikets  .....
 

 
That post was 3 weeks ago -
Have you submitted any bug reports on your issues?
Have you tried contacting tech support?
 
 

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Re: I'm REALLY liking SONAR X3, BUT... 2013/10/30 17:33:38 (permalink)
Ok just for you guyz input  here's my desktop :
 

 
YOU CAN READ BY WHOM IT IS PROVIDED or AT LEAST CERTIFIED AND TESTED by (Roland CE certified workstations) ...
 
I also have one of those at the SAE Paris WHERE I INTRODUCED AND TEACH SONAR !!! so please guyz stop that war on people saying what they think !!! i also endorsed the damn thing !!!! Lord !! is Cakewalk Forum became like US(NS) A ?
 
Can you guyz please may have a small doubt and think a Guy (with a master degree in computing , teaching also (not only) computing at the SAE , Validating tons of computer after testing those , lobbying people to choose workstations for years instead of best buy craps and macs nonsense ,posting actually stress test , lobbying Notebook check to intrroduce DPC latency results in tests , beta testing and helping several brands to dev and integrate , making a lot of Youtube Sonar based videos (http://www.youtube.com/user/ZozillaThaGreat) ect .....)  MIGHT have decent systems !!!
 
We all know that cakewalk Sonar use deep Windows fonctionnality and tools (templates also maybe) so i wonder if X2 and X3 aren't to much Win 8 oriented ....
 
here's one testng session pics back then , i test every system i can , i love it , it's fun for me and higly highliting and i know what are CERTIFIED well integrated and optimised system !!! i know what a system for audio loooks like and must be ...
 

 
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This day messing around with a brand new MBP 17 versus a new HP 8560W (to keep the winner)
 

 

 
(oops MBP 17 screen ligting not that regular ....)
 
 
I love comptuting , it's a part of my life so PLEASE .... give a little credit when i tell some guyz ...my system should be ok ...
 
 
Oh by the way check what Jmimmy is using ...same crap as i do ...
 
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I always loved this forum from day one because i have met (CJ is one of those) passionate and EDUCATED people knowing what they're talking about ....and i have been like CJ one member of the "check your system " police ... reporting bugs , putting positive pressure to a brand that we love , support and want to see getting more mature , is a must for me , healthy ....this is what i do here ...and this why they keep providing great updates .....we just have to not realease the pressure , and at the same time saying what i already said "X3 absolutly rocks !!! features wise"  but work must be done ...
 
I try to stay super active for me and my people (students and users) , i'm already testing VS 700 pland B (Nucleus , Avid ) , i also look for dev in case we get the open source , i also lobbyed some famous brand to consider the PC when it was created ...Ect ....
 
All this not to expose what i do (hate that) but for those seeing me like a troll or some : PLEASE  go make some music ....
i have been treated since few post like a "traitor" or some just because i said what i think : X3 would have not passed beta testing in my book .....or at least some obvious bug should have been super "EASY " to spot and maybe corrected .....this bothers me a lot more than the actual state of the software that i'm pretty sure gonna progress in good wayz as almost everytime !
 
 
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Re: I'm REALLY liking SONAR X3, BUT... 2013/10/30 23:36:48 (permalink)
Zo
X3 would have not passed beta testing in my book ....




You don't get it.  X3 is currently IN beta testing
 

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Re: I'm REALLY liking SONAR X3, BUT... 2013/10/31 00:21:59 (permalink)
 
 

 
In fact this is the first time id didn't fallow my gold rule "never upgrade before it's fully updated" ......i guess i RE discovered why ....Things never change it seems .....

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Re: I'm REALLY liking SONAR X3, BUT... 2013/10/31 02:05:07 (permalink)
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....  bugs are so obvious that the beta testers should be punished !!lol 




This comment has been made on every forum about every version of every DAW ever released.
 
That being said, you could list 20 bugs that you found in X3 and I would still be impressed.  X3 is a solid release for being a major rewrite.  Wait a couple of patches before you compare it to X1d to be fair.  I'd say X3's overall stability still trumps X1d (putting aside the minor bugs that I'm confident will be sorted out in the next patch or two).
 
I would also suggest you sign up for CW's beta-testing group (Though, considering your Cakewalk-provided PC, it's likely I'm already talking to a member).  So, either you're a beta-tester and missed the bugs you're complaining about(?!)... or you can't be bothered with becoming a beta-tester (Again, odd, since they seem to be sponsoring you).  

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Re: I'm REALLY liking SONAR X3, BUT... 2013/10/31 10:01:32 (permalink)
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X3 is a solid release for being a major rewrite. 




Are you sure about this ?  I would have thought a major rewrite would have fixed things that've been around for a while, like the metronome/loop bug.

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Re: I'm REALLY liking SONAR X3, BUT... 2013/10/31 11:20:06 (permalink)
You got a Roland certified PC with a Cakewalk logo - nice.
But that doesn't guarantee that it will run with every future of Sonar especially when you've tweaked it with your exotic brew of performance enhancers.
 
You never answered the question:
 
previous post in this thread
That post was 3 weeks ago -
Have you submitted any bug reports on your issues?
Have you tried contacting tech support?

 
 

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Re: I'm REALLY liking SONAR X3, BUT... 2013/10/31 12:35:01 (permalink)
Ok here's simple facts :
 
Day one : install of X3 
 first contact : yes beautyfull 
 
Insert of maschine multi outs : woah super slow !!!
ok i check my audio setting : no asio infos (FIRST CONFIRMED BUG)
no big deal i keep creating a tracks  i insert Alchemy , play some , play with solo : (SECOND CONFIRMED BUG)
ok let's try new plugins , oups my plugins layout , let's choose all plugins , done ...mmm great new plugins , let's go back to my layout : no way (THIRD CONFIRMED BUG) 
 
i stop here (i could go on) ....so my question is simple : DO YOU guyz really think those are UNSPOTABLE BUGS !!! just a simple regular workflow would have been able to notice that after less than 5 min !!!
 
 
Those are bugs and confirmed , NO MATTER the SYSTEM .......THOSE ARE BUGS on my systems and others system ....isn't that clear !!!!
 
To answer Steven : no bug reports since it have been confirmed and so escaladated !!
 
Beta team ? i have been ask to be part , i sent the agreement , never had a reply;....no big deal .....but as i'm incompetent and have ****ty systems   i don't see why ....i would be no help for them ...(if i read you guyz well) ...
 
I'm out , have fun , and we will say wassup when the bug list will be launched , and i will then love to hear from you guyz your conclusions about  how X3 final candidate (actually B) was so solid 
 
No matter what i say , you guyz knows it better , so track of day is :
 
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