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Re: Insane problems with this update
2016/12/07 09:16:12
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Is anyone having these issues running Win 7? Just curious... T
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Re: Insane problems with this update
2016/12/07 10:02:46
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Actually after reading a few posts of how after a few reboots etc peoples issues suddenly came good.......eating bannanas sideways etc...doing nothing, computer just fixed itself.........yes i thought ide check my project that had crashed and couldnt be opened, and magic.......the next day theory again........its fixed itself
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Re: Insane problems with this update
2016/12/07 10:08:52
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DeeringAmps Is anyone having these issues running Win 7? Just curious... T
Yes I had the problem and am running Win 7,
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Re: Insane problems with this update
2016/12/07 12:10:26
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The shoemaker elves didn't get to my PC. No magical solutions or PCs that fix themselves here. Still very repeatably generating "SONARPLT.eve has stopped working." when opening a project with the CA2A in it after a PC restart.
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Re: Insane problems with this update
2016/12/07 15:29:34
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DeeringAmps Is anyone having these issues running Win 7? Just curious... T
Haven't tried yet Tom. My only remaining Win 7 machine is actually my DAW, and I'm a bit loathe to mess with that at the moment. It's very tempting because some of the new features in 2016.11 I could really use. Maybe on Saturday........
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Re: Insane problems with this update
2016/12/07 22:57:09
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My gut tells me it's something where SONAR's relationship to Windows is right on the edge of...something. Sometimes it doesn't fall off, sometimes it does.
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Re: Insane problems with this update
2016/12/08 00:20:34
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You could be right. I just checked my system and it has 23 versions of the MS C++ libraries. I had it down to 9 at one point. The 2012 library has 7 different versions. They all have different sizes and the difference in the rev number is often in the 3rd or 4th decimal point. It's no wonder systems crash and burn when trying to run a recording studio on one. The interaction of all of Sonar's stuff internally combined with 3rd party interactions would generate a huge number of potential outcomes. Then drop in something that wasn't well written, or follows different rules...... I kind of hope they consolidate all the recent updates and do some tuning. I'm real far back in the learning curve.
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Re: Insane problems with this update
2016/12/08 00:45:32
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When I first fire up Sonar and start a project, I'm getting the "SONARPLT.exe has stopped working," message. Strangely enough, after closing and restart Sonar, the project loads without any issues...well apart from the adjusted and saved meters not sticking. As the day progress, there may or may not be any other 'stopped working' issues.
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Re: Insane problems with this update
2016/12/08 08:23:56
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I had to roll back. I really like the new features but there is something with this update that causes strange behavior like random slowness, Massive interface stops responding, video window acts up etc. Can't be sure all of these are because of the new update but rolling back seemed to help.
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Re: Insane problems with this update
2016/12/08 10:14:34
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Pretty weird, im having no trouble now.......but as craig suggested.....could have something to do with windows......i do have windows 10, and ive switched off updates........and but however...im still a sonar virgin, so im probably not using the full power of sonar anyway!!!
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Re: Insane problems with this update
2016/12/08 12:20:45
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I actually rolled back to the September edition.. Better but still acting up..
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Re: Insane problems with this update
2016/12/08 13:00:16
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☄ Helpfulby AudioAnnihilator 2016/12/08 13:49:02
Interesting observation...or at least might be interesting to Noel & Co. I ran Process Monitor to see if it might expose a clue as to what sonarplt.exe was doing at the moment of failure. To clean up the display, I set a number of filters so that only SONAR-related events were being logged. That took a few minutes. Then, with procmon running, I loaded CA-2A. No crash! To see if this was a fluke, I repeated the test several times, rebooting between each try. In every instance, CA-2A did not trigger an exception as long as procmon was running. Without procmon running, I could consistently duplicate the crash by starting a new project and dragging CA-2A into an audio track. Thinking maybe it was just that the time it took to set up procmon might be allowing some initialization process to complete, I rebooted, opened SONAR, started a new project and just let it sit there for 20 minutes. Dragged in CA-2A and crash! Every time. There is a universal principle in science that you cannot measure anything without affecting the process you're measuring. Stick a voltmeter across a capacitor and you introduce a 10 megohm shunt that effects its time constant. Strap on a blood pressure cuff and a patient's blood pressure goes up. Check your tire pressure and you let some air out in the process. Check up on your kids and they're on their best behavior. Process Monitor installs a kernel-level driver that intercepts system calls. Normally, this is completely transparent and most programs/processes have no idea they're being observed (although some installers actually check for procmon and refuse to proceed if it's running, because proprietary secrets could be revealed). Usually, the only impact of procmon is a general slowdown due to the extra overhead of examining the thousands of events that are happening. Could this experience be revealing a race problem of some kind? (A race problem is a situation where a specific sequence of events - hardware or software - is crucial, but the actual order in which they occur cannot be guaranteed.)
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Re: Insane problems with this update
2016/12/08 13:04:29
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regarding windows 10 updates, it's easy enough to see when they were installed, in control panel, "Installed Updates"
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Re: Insane problems with this update
2016/12/08 13:30:39
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You're obviously on to something Dave. Too many moving parts to synchronise and the gears are getting jammed up. Given that all these things are happening at virtually the same time, what do you do? Add speed bumps to slow down the traffic? These blue collar metaphors work for a civilian like me.
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Re: Insane problems with this update
2016/12/08 13:38:23
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☄ Helpfulby AudioAnnihilator 2016/12/08 13:49:16
Jesus....what a probably true but completely tripped out answer
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Re: Insane problems with this update
2016/12/08 13:41:23
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This was all foretold. Just sayin' :) Buckle up!
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Re: Insane problems with this update
2016/12/08 14:19:29
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☄ Helpfulby stevesweat 2016/12/08 23:04:16
bitflipper Interesting observation...or at least might be interesting to Noel & Co. I ran Process Monitor to see if it might expose a clue as to what sonarplt.exe was doing at the moment of failure. To clean up the display, I set a number of filters so that only SONAR-related events were being logged. That took a few minutes. Then, with procmon running, I loaded CA-2A. No crash! To see if this was a fluke, I repeated the test several times, rebooting between each try. In every instance, CA-2A did not trigger an exception as long as procmon was running. Without procmon running, I could consistently duplicate the crash by starting a new project and dragging CA-2A into an audio track. Thinking maybe it was just that the time it took to set up procmon might be allowing some initialization process to complete, I rebooted, opened SONAR, started a new project and just let it sit there for 20 minutes. Dragged in CA-2A and crash! Every time. There is a universal principle in science that you cannot measure anything without affecting the process you're measuring. Stick a voltmeter across a capacitor and you introduce a 10 megohm shunt that effects its time constant. Strap on a blood pressure cuff and a patient's blood pressure goes up. Check your tire pressure and you let some air out in the process. Check up on your kids and they're on their best behavior. Process Monitor installs a kernel-level driver that intercepts system calls. Normally, this is completely transparent and most programs/processes have no idea they're being observed (although some installers actually check for procmon and refuse to proceed if it's running, because proprietary secrets could be revealed). Usually, the only impact of procmon is a general slowdown due to the extra overhead of examining the thousands of events that are happening. Could this experience be revealing a race problem of some kind? (A race problem is a situation where a specific sequence of events - hardware or software - is crucial, but the actual order in which they occur cannot be guaranteed.)
It is indeed a race condition but not in SONAR but the plugins themselves. One that has existed for decades and got exposed by a new windows 10 update. We'll be posting some more information soon and are working on a fix. What is sure is that the 2010.11 update has nothing to do with this specific problem. i.e. rolling back SONAR will not help since the issue isn't in SONAR itself.
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Re: Insane problems with this update
2016/12/08 14:27:25
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☄ Helpfulby AudioAnnihilator 2016/12/08 14:51:59
What Noel said :-) And again, thanks to everyone here for helping out - it made all the difference. Stay tuned. ~Bob
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Re: Insane problems with this update
2016/12/08 14:52:26
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It always crashes with first launch. With the second launch, it works relatively stable. But I noticed, after having started my Sibelius as first music software in a PC session, and, after closing it, then Sonar launches without crash. It should have to do with some engine both programs use - either with MIDI itself, of with the way VSt plugins are connected to their host programs (I have a handful of VSt working on both programs.) Maybe that helps in locating the bug. But I am hoping that thing could be hotfixed before next monthly update.
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Re: Insane problems with this update
2016/12/08 15:04:06
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Problems are reported by Win 7 users. Problems seem related to CA-2A and Rapture Session. I will have to see more information before I accept the VST+ Win 10 explanation.
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Re: Insane problems with this update
2016/12/08 15:27:38
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Thanks everyone for all the feedback related to this issue. We posted a statement in the stickies and are actively working to resolve it. It appears to be related to a Windows 10 update but I see a few reporting issues with Windows 7. http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3526221 Please be patient while we work to resolve this issue. We hope to have an update soon.
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Re: Insane problems with this update
2016/12/08 15:59:23
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Re: Insane problems with this update
2016/12/08 16:48:49
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bitflipper Interesting observation...or at least might be interesting to Noel & Co. I ran Process Monitor to see if it might expose a clue as to what sonarplt.exe was doing at the moment of failure. To clean up the display, I set a number of filters so that only SONAR-related events were being logged. That took a few minutes. Then, with procmon running, I loaded CA-2A. No crash! To see if this was a fluke, I repeated the test several times, rebooting between each try. In every instance, CA-2A did not trigger an exception as long as procmon was running. Without procmon running, I could consistently duplicate the crash by starting a new project and dragging CA-2A into an audio track. Thinking maybe it was just that the time it took to set up procmon might be allowing some initialization process to complete, I rebooted, opened SONAR, started a new project and just let it sit there for 20 minutes. Dragged in CA-2A and crash! Every time. There is a universal principle in science that you cannot measure anything without affecting the process you're measuring. Stick a voltmeter across a capacitor and you introduce a 10 megohm shunt that effects its time constant. Strap on a blood pressure cuff and a patient's blood pressure goes up. Check your tire pressure and you let some air out in the process. Check up on your kids and they're on their best behavior.
Schrödinger's cat? BTW, that was some excellent detective work After reading Noel's explanation, which sounds reasonable, it left me wondering about one thing. I am not having any problems, and I have all of the Windows updates current through November 2016 for my version of Windows 10 (Version 1511; OS Build 10586.679). Does this mean that maybe the condition only occurs on the Anniversary Edition of Windows 10, version 1607?
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Re: Insane problems with this update
2016/12/08 17:04:22
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@bitflipper Confirming your observations on my system. Perhaps not quite so fortuitous given any trouble shooting expertise but surprising none the less. Have to think it's now some combination of a Win10 update plus some core CW VST feature. I usually schedule any Win10 / Sonar updates to mitigate any potential issues, BUT run the Win10 update before updating Sonar to preempt any "Do you have the latest Win updates?". Since rolling back to the previous version of Sonar (which was rock solid) did NOT solve the problem AND it's only CW VSTs, have to think there's some dependency beyond basic system cfg. Don't see it as a VST3 issue as I was able to load a couple of 3rd party VST3s without crashing. Will try a System Restore next. .... Just saw the sticky from Lance ... good to hear the experts are working on it. fwiw, did try a few more things, - VST Scan will appear to run with no issues when procmon is running. - Tried shutting down procmon and restarting Sonar | Open project with mixed results > could always open the test project and run something > a larger client project would open and run -sometimes- and other times would open (no crash) but not run. An update sounds better than continued thrashing of the system.
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Re: Insane problems with this update
2016/12/08 17:18:58
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BitFlipper, thanks for the info. At first I thought Process Monitor was Task Manager, where you can look at the processes, etc. A Google search directed me to a download of it and it works in my situation also. I have 2016.09 and have never updated to 2016.11, yet I started getting the same runtime errors last week also. After lots of trial and error I reverted to my 2016.09 image and did all the Win updates and was only getting the runtime error on a fresh boot and opening Plat for the first time. I've been ignoring the message and not closing it and everything works fine. After I installed Process Monitor, I rebooted and started Process Monitor 1st and then opened Plat. Well it worked - no more runtime errors. Although it seemed Plat sure opened slower than usual. I closed Process Monitor and opened a 2nd CWP again with no error, so you're certainly on to something - great work!
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Re: Insane problems with this update
2016/12/08 17:44:00
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☄ Helpfulby stevesweat 2016/12/08 23:05:34
abacab After reading Noel's explanation, which sounds reasonable, it left me wondering about one thing. I am not having any problems, and I have all of the Windows updates current through November 2016 for my version of Windows 10 (Version 1511; OS Build 10586.679). Does this mean that maybe the condition only occurs on the Anniversary Edition of Windows 10, version 1607?
It is timing related so even with the same update you may or may not see the problem. Fortunately Bob's machine had a repro and that led us to the problem. That code has worked for years (decades) despite it being faulty so its definitely a recent environmental change that exposed the problem. Bitflippers procmon test introduces a delay and circumvents the problem by the observer effect :)
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Re: Insane problems with this update
2016/12/08 17:57:39
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I'm on Win 10 Pro Version 1511 OS Build 10586.679 with all the reported issues. As noted, it's probably something more.
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Re: Insane problems with this update
2016/12/08 18:22:04
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jackson white I'm on Win 10 Pro Version 1511 OS Build 10586.679 with all the reported issues. As noted, it's probably something more.
Yup, that pretty much sums it up. So what does that leave us with as far as something else? "a recent environmental change that exposed the problem" A Sonar update was issued that did not cause the timing issue. But evidence indicates that the Sonar change "exposed" the unforeseen timing issue. I can imagine that a timing issue that is resolved just by ProcMon running, might be slight enough that any variation in a user's PC environment may be the tipping point that problems could arise. Good to know that a fix is in the works! Just imagine if you did not have Splat and had to buy an update to get a fix for a latent Windows issue? Life is good
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Re: Insane problems with this update
2016/12/08 20:21:57
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Re: Insane problems with this update
2016/12/08 21:18:44
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I have Windows 10 Home version 10.0.14393 Build 14393 and have left the November update alone.... and I have been inserting CA-2A without issue. I am doing the same thing over and over to some old projects which are either Sonar 5.2 PE or X PE. Anyway, mostly they don't have any ProChannel stuff and I have to insert CA-2A, Gloss EQ and others like REMatrix Solo
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