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2014/12/07 00:42:58 (permalink)

Instrument Tracks - Any Downsides??

Hello,
I was just wondering if there is any downsides to using Instrument Tracks for softsynths.

Your thoughts?
 
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Re: Instrument Tracks - Any Downsides?? 2014/12/07 01:18:46 (permalink)
If you want a simple sound
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Re: Instrument Tracks - Any Downsides?? 2014/12/07 01:22:15 (permalink)
declan
If you want a simple sound




 
huh?
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Re: Instrument Tracks - Any Downsides?? 2014/12/07 01:36:41 (permalink)
I don't use simple instrument tracks. I like having a track folder with an audio track and a MIDI track inside the folder. It just makes more sense to me structurally and is easier to make changes if needed.

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Re: Instrument Tracks - Any Downsides?? 2014/12/07 02:27:22 (permalink)
With a simple instrument track you are limiting what MIDI and audio controls you will have access to. I never use them myself. 
 
For a single instrument for simple work they will work fine. However if need more you have to split them up to their MIDI and audio tracks.  
 
 

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Re: Instrument Tracks - Any Downsides?? 2014/12/07 02:36:05 (permalink)
Personally I like instrument tracks. They're not perfect and have their downsides - but nothing that can't be solved by temporarily splitting them, doing what you need to do and joining them again. One example is flipping the stereo interleave button, which for some bizarre reason the Bakers decided to leave off instrument tracks. There are some other documented oddities, like unexpected behavior when cloning an instrument track for instance. 
 
But aside from this, I like the tidiness and convenience of them. They take one lane in your arrangement as opposed to two for an audio/MIDI pair. This makes a huge difference for me in terms of organization. You can have so many more tracks of your arrangement visible at any one time and everything is much tidier. 
 
I'm not sure exactly what isn't accessible on instrument tracks, but most of what you need is contained in the Audio/MIDI tabs of the inspector. For everything else, like I said, it's no bother to just split the track temporarily and access what you need. 

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Re: Instrument Tracks - Any Downsides?? 2014/12/07 02:43:53 (permalink)
Just to clarify, a simple instrument track takes a MIDI input and provides an audio output. It is the only type of "track" which does this and has both advantages and disadvantages. The advantage to a new user is that this appears like a single track (the behind the scenes things are hidden); but the disadvantage is that if the soft synth has multiple MIDI ins or Audio outs, you can limit what you have access to. To fully use the capabilities of a given soft synth, many choose to have the MIDI/audio tracks separated (and these can be inserted as a track folder so they are visually easier to follow).

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Re: Instrument Tracks - Any Downsides?? 2014/12/07 02:50:05 (permalink)
I have started using Simple Instrument Tracks recently. They are convenient if you don't require more than one input & output for a softsynth. However, I wish these two important features weren't missing:
  • Stereo Interleave button.
  • Input Gain control (although a control labelled as such is displayed, it actually does something else).

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Re: Instrument Tracks - Any Downsides?? 2014/12/07 08:06:03 (permalink)
I've started using SITs a lot more recently whereas I was a "dyed-in-the-wool" MIDI & Instrument track user before. I think the main reason is it just makes my life easier/tidier when I'm doing a lot of editing in the TV while using several softsynths.
 
What you gain in convenience you lose in control but as sharke has pointed out temporarily splitting and re-joining them is easy enough.
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Re: Instrument Tracks - Any Downsides?? 2014/12/07 09:52:09 (permalink)
Simple Instrument Tracks are also helpful when you're using a control surface. They only take up one channel on the surface and you don't have to switch fader banks as often.
 
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Re: Instrument Tracks - Any Downsides?? 2014/12/07 10:03:06 (permalink)
Great stuff here everyone. I've been debating using them, and I just wanted to run it by the forum to see how you guys feel.  So far, it looks like a good thing. I don't use the interleave button much anyway (just to mono-ize) the kick and bass.
 
 
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Re: Instrument Tracks - Any Downsides?? 2014/12/07 11:01:14 (permalink)
I use Kontakt a bunch, and due to its multi-timbral capabilities (I can load up multiple separate instruments into a single Kontakt instance), I just always use separate audio and midi tracks.
 
Track folders help me minimize the extra real estate chewed up by the additional tracks, as well, so it isn't bad.
 
Lastly, for some keyboard sounds, usually an organ, I will often have a separate left and right audio track, and will put a slight delay on one side of the signal, which acts as a really nice widener.  The technique is credited to a German guy from I think the 1930's, but I can never remember his name - I always end up calling him Hasenpfeffer (German for rabbit stew).
 
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Re: Instrument Tracks - Any Downsides?? 2014/12/07 11:22:48 (permalink)
Maybe it's not so much that I don't like Simple Instrument tracks, but that I really like what you can do with synth track folders - I detailed those reasons in a tip of the week. The ability to show/hide groups of MIDI and audio tracks with a single click is fantastic when you have synths with multiple outs or are driving it with multiple MIDI tracks. The notepad feature is cool, too.

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Re: Instrument Tracks - Any Downsides?? 2014/12/07 11:33:06 (permalink)
FWIW I've had SITs not export on a full mix. IIRC it was X2 or X1.
 
I like the folder option especially for drums. I rarely use the mixer inside a drum VSTi.
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Re: Instrument Tracks - Any Downsides?? 2014/12/07 11:46:14 (permalink)
I am with Sharke.  I like their convenience, and split them when I need to.
 
As has been stated, they don't work with multi out synths, so I don't use them for those.
 
I have not had problems with them not exporting in any version of Sonar.  Just lucky, I guess.

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Re: Instrument Tracks - Any Downsides?? 2014/12/07 15:40:35 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby robert_e_bone 2014/12/08 12:24:21
Right or wrong, I use separate audio/midi for most things, but have fallen into using instrument tracks for bass and piano.  There is typically only one bass or one piano coming from those synths, and I personally do not do a lot of exotic things to those two basic sounds.
 
I use separate tracks for drums (one MIDI track with multiple outs); RealGuitar, RealStrat, ReaLPC because I use one MIDI track for notes and one for keyswitch/strum notes; orchestral parts for the multiple outputs and separate MIDI tracks for keyswitches; etc.
 
All separate MIDI for me goes in a folder so I can hide it from my control surface: I don't want 12 faders devoted to MIDI.
 
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Re: Instrument Tracks - Any Downsides?? 2014/12/07 21:30:10 (permalink)
I use a mix of simple instruments and split ones no downsides for me, can still get to all notes/automation etc. one thing that slightly annoys me about split midi tracks, if you have a plugin and you've setup several midi tracks to play it, if you mute all the midi tracks for that instrument it also mutes the audio, which I generally don't want as I like the effects tails to carry on. as a work around I add an empty midi track and hide it. should be an option to say "leave audio playing" or "mute audio with muted midi tracks" or something..would be nice.
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Re: Instrument Tracks - Any Downsides?? 2014/12/08 11:09:40 (permalink)
What Morgan is saying above is an annoyance for some but a convenience for me: I like being able to solo an audio track and know that the MIDI tracks will also be soloed so I don't have to go looking through MIDI folders.
 
Depends on the individual workflow.

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