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Re: Interesting info on Roland's sale of Cakewalk to Gibson...
2017/11/24 23:33:10
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mister happy Guitar and acoustic piano sales remain strong and the sales numbers for those categories dwarf the sales activity of electronic music devices by twenty fold.
This I don't buy for one second. Gibson has been trying to push ukuleles more than electric guitars because of there growing popularity. Look around you Mike. I don't know any kids that play guitar anymore. Its becoming a dying breed. Its the reason Guitar center is in debt, its the reason Gibson is in debt. I do agree with you on some things though.
From what I know, piano sales are down as well. Again, I agree with Chuck that Mr. Happy makes some really good points. For this little grey fox, the elephant in the room is software pirating. I do remember someone from Sweetwater telling me the devastating effect it has on Waves and Synthogy. When I find a student at work whose father pirated software, I always give the student a lecture on the effect on the industry. Mostly, however, students are too ethically bereft to get their fetid little minds around it: they just don't get it, period. They still do get upset, however, when someone steals their milk money. For those so concerned, this post was written before I followed the thread to its end, hence the "speaking out of turn" effect. Sorry about that!
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Re: Interesting info on Roland's sale of Cakewalk to Gibson...
2017/11/25 00:15:25
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Cakewalk had a great product before X1. Everyone who uses 8.5 (still) can attest to that. I don't think the skylight interface killed them, but what did hurt them (and Roland, at the time) was that they underestimated what it would cost to makeover Sonar and still have a stable, robust platform. X1 was persnickety in what kind of interface it would work with and you had too burn sage over your PC before it was happy. It became fairly common knowledge in the market that Sonar either worked for you or it didn't. X2 did little to change that. By the time X3 rolled out, sales were falling due to this, as well as other market factors. Had X1 been a truly rock-solid DAW, with all of the features in X3, we may not be where we are now. I think Craig is sincere in his belief that Gibson tried to extend Sonar's life in the hopes that it would become self-sustaining, but it was probably too late. You can't be the #9 or #6 (depending on where you look) DAW in the market with an unstable product for long. Platinum finally got really great in the last 9 months or so. The rolling updates early on were a little rocky, at least for me. It's a shame that it took so long to get here and that it cost the company to make it happen. Dan
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Re: Interesting info on Roland's sale of Cakewalk to Gibson...
2017/11/25 00:24:36
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dcumpian Cakewalk had a great product before X1. Everyone who uses 8.5 (still) can attest to that. I don't think the skylight interface killed them, but what did hurt them (and Roland, at the time) was that they underestimated what it would cost to makeover Sonar and still have a stable, robust platform. X1 was persnickety in what kind of interface it would work with and you had too burn sage over your PC before it was happy. It became fairly common knowledge in the market that Sonar either worked for you or it didn't. X2 did little to change that.
I'll agree that the Skylight interface was great. It wasn't really the problem. The problem was partly that the first versions were less stable and more resource hungry. The stability was not helped by Roland's attempt to modularize the product and sell parts of functionality (not just plugins) on an a la cart basis. I think we saw better direction out of Cakewalk during the Gibson years than the Roland years. I don't think either company did much to create synergies, though.
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Re: Interesting info on Roland's sale of Cakewalk to Gibson...
2017/12/18 02:08:11
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I wouldnt say the money was wasted gibson have had some good promotion from cakewalk. I found cakewalk looking for Roland products.
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Re: Interesting info on Roland's sale of Cakewalk to Gibson...
2017/12/18 02:31:16
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Well, please check out the zillions of killer kid guitar players, male and female on the internet. Guitars are not dying, imo they are growing. Just not the $$$ stuff. everybody and their grandmother plays guitar these days and writes also. BTW, to say "I don't know any kids who play guitar" means just that, YOU don't know any kids that play guitar. I mean that generally, not to anyone in particular. I do not say this because I am a guitar player. I say this because everywhere I loo I see some kid shredding somewhere...once again. male and female. Not my cup of tea(shredding and metal) but it is booming and probably one of the most popular genre of music today. Or right up there at least. Metal=Guitar
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Re: Interesting info on Roland's sale of Cakewalk to Gibson...
2017/12/18 02:33:43
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Guitar center is dying because of the INTERNET. Not because guitar sales are down.
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Re: Interesting info on Roland's sale of Cakewalk to Gibson...
2017/12/18 02:44:42
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They do nice guitars. My next deal im buying the speakers, if i get lucky again im buying the Guitar lol
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Re: Interesting info on Roland's sale of Cakewalk to Gibson...
2017/12/18 02:56:11
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stratman70 Guitar center is dying because of the INTERNET. Not because guitar sales are down.
GC has a big Internet business. But the point is valid. It is hard to believe many people would buy a high-end guitar from the Internet, but maybe starter guitars. The big issue is all the little accessories that can easily be bought on the Internet. They have a high margin. I don't deny the Internet puts a lot of pressure on all local retailers. That is obvious. Nonetheless, I get a creepy feeling every time I go into a GC store. They seem so dark and cramped. And at least one of the stores I am familiar with has a big platform inside the front door where the "greeter" can look down to spot shoplifting. Whenever I see that, I think of a guard tower on a prison wall. It just doesn't seem like the kind of place I would want to shop.
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Re: Interesting info on Roland's sale of Cakewalk to Gibson...
2017/12/18 04:05:22
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mister happy Hello, Disagreeing with my statements is easy.
If anyone really wants to take on the subject they may refer to actual data.
For example; http:\\www.goo.gl/SqDznR NAMM members may access more recent info but this 2014 data is available for anyone. to read through.
Fretted Products $ 1,323,190,000 Wind Instruments $ 521,800,000 Printed Music $ 518,330,000 Percusion $ 381.570,000 Acoustic pianos $ 292.810,000 Stringed Instruments $ 109,000,000 Institutional Organs $ 29,000,000 Home Organs $ 13,000,000 Total = $3,188,700,000 Computer Music Products $ 360,000,000 used by both traditional musicians and electronic musicians
What you will notice is that despite popular stories of the demise of the music industry, the numbers were stable year to year and most categories posted small gains. Upon inspection you may notice that the highest profile businesses seem to spend so much being high profile that they often times not on the winners podium, but there are winners and music is being made by musicians with instruments that they continue to buy.
As I sit and watch the Thanksgiving day parades I am struck by the fact that the numerous marching bands have yet to be replaced with a few DJs riding on floats.
If your anecdotal evidence leads you to believe that young people no longer play music on instruments you might ask yourself "why is it that I do not know any young people that play traditional music".
If you do not care about this idea, that is absolutely fine, but if you purport to seem concerned or informed that the practice of making traditional music has disappeared you may want to figure out what it is about you that makes this perspective a part of your personal reality.
In the meantime, succeeding generations of musicians are actively continuing to pass along the knowledge and skills related to making music, These ideas will continue to benefit practitioners of all forms of music making.
This is certainly not the full story, at least not in the context of how instrument sales are related to DAW sales. The real question is: of the overall set of people who are spending money on musical instruments (either traditional or electric), which ones are buying DAWs? People who buy traditional instruments and form traditional bands aren't necessarily the biggest DAW customers. Just because kids are still joining bands, it doesn't necessarily mean that they're setting up home studios and recording themselves. Recording traditional music with real instruments at home requires a significant financial outlay (microphones, cables, stands & other accessories, soundproofing, room treatment etc). Not to mention a spare room in which to do it. How many kids and young adults have the space to set up guitar amps, drum kits and mics? Plus there's a significant knowledge barrier. Learning how to mic and record real instruments takes a lot of learning and practice. Contrast this with the kids who have dreams of becoming the next deadmau5 or Tiësto. They can set that dream in motion with a very modest financial outlay. You can put together full radio-ready productions with nothing more than a laptop, along with some small speakers or headphones. You can do it with the stock instruments and effects in Ableton, or spend a little more for Sylenth or whatever. Even something like Komplete is within their grasp. No need to mic anything up, no need for cables everywhere, no need for soundproofing or room treatment (although they might get into that later). No, they install the software, watch a few tutorials on YouTube, and away they go. Why mic a drum kit when you can download thousands of pristine drum samples for your electronic productions, absolutely free? Some will have their parents buy them Ableton, mess around with it for a while, and then get bored of it (or realize there's more to it than they thought). Ableton doesn't care - they still got the sale. What these kids have not been doing, is asking their parents for Sonar. Electronic music is by no means the most popular genre in the world. Rock and country outsell it many times over. But although I don't have any figures which relate DAW sales to genres, I'd be willing to be a large sum of money that DAW sales do not reflect music sales in terms of genre. The same goes for production tutorials on YouTube. Regardless of instrument sales, a vastly disproportionate number of the music technology tutorials you come across online involve electronic music of some sort. So who's recording real instruments at home? From my observations, it's usually the older geezers. Their kids leave home for college and they're using their disposable grownup cash to turn the spare room into the home studio they've always promised themselves. Or they've been doing this for years and have built up a collection of studio equipment over time, along with the wisdom and knowledge to use it. But I would guess that there are far fewer old geezers buying DAWs to record the album they've been fantasizing about for 20 years than there are kids who get into electronic laptop production on a whim. Meanwhile the kids who form bands are rehearsing in practice rooms or garages, and when it comes time to record themselves, they're booking time in the local cut price recording studio. Of course there are exceptions to all of this on all sides. Nonetheless, I think your assertion that Sonar's downfall had nothing to do with it failing to cater to the electronic kids is entirely wrong. You only have to look at the audio production communities on Reddit. The EDM production Reddit currently has close to 206,000 subscribers. The largest general audio production Reddit is WeAreTheMusicMakers with 211,000 subscribers, but a sizable chunk of the discussions on there involve electronic/sample based music production as well.
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Re: Interesting info on Roland's sale of Cakewalk to Gibson...
2017/12/18 04:24:00
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Classic case of an argument loaded with dissonance from all sides. Lots of people still play instruments. Unfortunately, there is a glut of lowcost instruments that are not nearly as profitable as in the past. Odds are very good there are actually more people playing instruments of some sort than people using strictly electronic means. However, it is a totally unreasonable compatison because sales, charts etc clearly show which is dominating the culture of youth. This year a reality tv character had one pop hit consisting of literally 3 notes and a trap beat and is now worth 4 million. I guarantee no guitarist, pianist, flutist, etc will come out of nowhere to generate that kind of buzz or income so quickly. It sucks, but it is what it is. Aside from the bigtime film scorers, the Metro Boomin's, Deadmaus' of the world are dominating both pop and underground dance scenes. Timbaland commannds 1 million per song to produce. It doesn't mean acoustic instruments are dead. In fact, it's the opposite. Even these electronic based producers rely heavily on musicians and inspire young musicians to play. Their goals are just different. In the past that kid picking up guitar wanted to front a band. Now ge wants to create hybrid sounds to send to his laptop to manipulate.
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Re: Interesting info on Roland's sale of Cakewalk to Gibson...
2017/12/18 09:40:51
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A bigger issue (for me) is that the field is still extremely crowded, so I bet most of the DAWs are unprofitable or break-even at best. That is discouraging because none of the others have really been making much of an effort to advance the state of the art. It we had to rank them on the basis of the recent rate of progress, I'd say the big gorillas (ProTools and Cubase) would be near the bottom.
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Re: Interesting info on Roland's sale of Cakewalk to Gibson...
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☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2017/12/20 19:26:03
dcumpian Cakewalk had a great product before X1. Everyone who uses 8.5 (still) can attest to that. I don't think the skylight interface killed them, but what did hurt them (and Roland, at the time) was that they underestimated what it would cost to makeover Sonar and still have a stable, robust platform. X1 was persnickety in what kind of interface it would work with and you had too burn sage over your PC before it was happy. It became fairly common knowledge in the market that Sonar either worked for you or it didn't. X2 did little to change that. By the time X3 rolled out, sales were falling due to this, as well as other market factors. Had X1 been a truly rock-solid DAW, with all of the features in X3, we may not be where we are now. I think Craig is sincere in his belief that Gibson tried to extend Sonar's life in the hopes that it would become self-sustaining, but it was probably too late. You can't be the #9 or #6 (depending on where you look) DAW in the market with an unstable product for long. Platinum finally got really great in the last 9 months or so. The rolling updates early on were a little rocky, at least for me. It's a shame that it took so long to get here and that it cost the company to make it happen. Dan
+1 ...these are key points.... X1 came out and, with its different workflow and misses, disappointed, alienated and put off a lot of long time users... that's history well documented on this forum... I strongly believe that SONAR's downfall actually began with the "X" series... My experience is I still bought all versions, X1 (surely not my favourite...), X2, X3... yet indeed I sticked to 8.5.3... ...until SONAR Platinum came... Things got definitely better with SONAR Platinum... yet the damage was already done... ...and the activation stuff possibly put off and kept away even more users...
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Re: Interesting info on Roland's sale of Cakewalk to Gibson...
2017/12/18 17:21:59
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In 2010 Avid opened up ProTools to third party interfaces.
I think Avid and Gibson are probably tied for internet vitriol but I would bet you anything that Sonar lost a ton of folks to Avid, who aren't doing all that well these days.
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Re: Interesting info on Roland's sale of Cakewalk to Gibson...
2017/12/18 18:19:01
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mister happy
SONAR X1 was repeatedly excused as the most successful version of SONAR ever. That year ended with a gain in losses of 220,000 dollars for a total year end loss of $426,000. By the time X1E had furthered this great success the total loss for the year was $891,000 and the companies assets had been scuttled. The fact is that Gibson, probably the infamous CEO himself, stepped in as an ANGEL INVESTOR and provided Cakewalk with several more years of opportunity to balance the situation. Cakewalk then proceeded to execute a litany of transparently desperate attempts to secure revenue at minimal expense, but it seems to have cost too much to do so. Gibson is a privately held company so the facts about Cakewalk disappeared from public view. Meanwhile, the minister of propaganda lambasted anybody that commented about the business and the obvious situation with insulting rhetoric. The perspective, as I see it, is that Gibson saved the day for Cakewalk, but that was several years ago, and Gibson can no longer afford to prop up a operation that will not support itself. I still rely on SONAR 8.5.3 for my work, but paid my way through to Platinum Lifetime updates hoping that someday someone would emerge and lead the company with common sense. It always seemed to me that if Cakewalk merely focused on the DAW, and not a smorgasbord of free goodies that cost a lot of resources and money to serve up, the company could find efficiency and prosperity by serving the customers who realize how dependent they are on timely and effective service. Users such as myself, who want to continue to capitalize on the skills they have learned using SONAR and will gladly pay to support an operation focused on maintenance rather than bloating. Witnessing Cakewalk's downward spiral caused by its insistence on catering to, and cultivating the patronage of, a community of cheapskates has been disappointing. I am not surprised by the vile backlash targeted at Gibson which is being voiced by this community. It was focused on getting something for next to nothing and now it has panicked at the realization that there is nothing more to get. I have also been and continue to be perplexed by the myopic focus on a popular myth that electronic music has replaced traditional forms of music. Guitar and acoustic piano sales remain strong and the sales numbers for those categories dwarf the sales activity of electronic music devices by twenty fold. Digital audio software companies that entertain the interests of musicians that use staff notation seem to be doing as well. Presonus is a good example. Electronic music may seem popular on the "charts", but It has seemed obvious that any business in the music instruments industry that chooses to ignore the opportunity to serve the millions and millions of people who already know, and continue to learn, how to play traditional forms of music is operating with an easy to identify opportunity cost. In any event, Gibson was an angel investor that saved Cakewalk and gave it a chance to survive. It bought Cakewalk when no one else could afford to touch it. It must have been a great struggle to justify a sponsorship such as this. We will never know how much money Gibson wasted in an attempt to keep Cakewalk afloat while users continued to enjoy receiving product. I appreciate Gibson for having tried. Thank you.
Yeah it has now become apparent this is more than Gibson just being a-holes. Given their evidently precarious financial situation, it wouldn't have made sense to close down Cakewalk had they been making a profit.
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Re: Interesting info on Roland's sale of Cakewalk to Gibson...
2017/12/18 18:37:18
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jamesyoyo There haven’t been any rock stars made in the last twenty years, so millennials don’t get the whole appeal of being a rockstar.
I think it's been longer than that. I was just talking to my dad about an Alice Cooper show I saw recently on AXS, and he told me about back in 70's when Alice Cooper came to town, he had just hit it really big and was making some serious money and a reporter asked him what he was going to do with all this money and Cooper said "I'm gonna buy your wife!". They don't make them like that anymore...
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Re: Interesting info on Roland's sale of Cakewalk to Gibson...
2017/12/18 18:55:17
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Noah330 I would bet you anything that Sonar lost a ton of folks to Avid, who aren't doing all that well these days.
Personally, I don't think I know a single person who has moved to ProTools in the past 3 or 4 years. I do know long-term ProTools users who are still using ProTools. In my area, it seems to me most of the people who talk ProTools are rappers who did the ProTools thing because "That's what serious artists do." I don't think they are particularly advanced in the use of the DAW, or even all that active anymore. It seems to me like a fad that has mostly passed. My experience may be completely different than the next person's I don't claim this is at all typical.
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Re: Interesting info on Roland's sale of Cakewalk to Gibson...
2017/12/18 19:25:38
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Guitar sales have plummeted, Both Fender and Gibson are in dire straights due to this one single fact. bottom line is, millenials wont pick up an instrument that you actually have to spend time to practice on mister happy Guitar and acoustic piano sales remain strong
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Re: Interesting info on Roland's sale of Cakewalk to Gibson...
2017/12/18 20:36:29
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Mystic38 Guitar sales have plummeted, Both Fender and Gibson are in dire straights due to this one single fact. bottom line is, millenials wont pick up an instrument that you actually have to spend time to practice on I bet they would if somebody would make a guitar that had a built-in cell phone they could stare at for hours on end.
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Amongst all my friends, all of us who are musicians of some sort, our kids all play. My son's looking forward to a big jam session with all his old school friends as they will all be in town for Christmas. His generation, he is 38, had the punk and alterative rock which was sort of a re birth of real rock and roll. Rapp and all that DJ stuff slowly killed this but now his generation is having kids and they will all play too. Guitar sales have always been on a rollercoaster ride. And what is killing Gibson and a little bit of Fender, is the price point. I was trying some acoustics in a big store and the Gibsons price was stupid expensive and they are no better made or playable than most offshore brands. Taylor has the market right now and you can see why. If you were in the market for a high end acoustic, you would only buy a Gibson because you "thought" they were a name brand, not because it was actaully worth it. Anybody with common sence and knowledge of what makes a great acoustic will walk out the door with a Taylor or one of the other many better guitars made here in Canada under the Godin company.
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Re: Interesting info on Roland's sale of Cakewalk to Gibson...
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Cactus Music If you were in the market for a high end acoustic, you would only buy a Gibson because you "thought" they were a name brand, not because it was actaully worth it. Anybody with common sence and knowledge of what makes a great acoustic will walk out the door with a Taylor or one of the other many better guitars made here in Canada under the Godin company.
We all have our preferences but this broad generalization of yours is so completely ignorant that I must assume you don’t even play guitar. Regardless of their business practices, Gibson makes superb acoustic guitars.
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Cactus Music Guitar sales have always been on a rollercoaster ride. And what is killing Gibson and a little bit of Fender, is the price
This has been true for a long time when I bought my Yamaha SA800 I had planned to get a 335 but when I played them side by side the Yamaha was just a bit better for me and was half the price. Gibson and Fender have both tried to exploit their brand as a way to command a premium. I also have a 1982 JV Squier Tele which was ridiculously cheap and again played and sounded better to me than the US alternatives of the time. For me the changes from the 80s are quality gap has narrowed significantly, especially for the hardware like pickups, and the price gap has got wider. Of course Gibson and Fender both demonstrate this through the Epiphone and Squier brands. Personally I think that both brands have built a pricing structure that they cannot escape without looking like they have been over priced for years.
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OK possible all the 6 or so Gibson Acoustics they had in the store ( Long and McQuade) that day I picked them up, strummed a few chords etc and was totally unimpressed. I'm not being an arse, I used to have a music store, I sold a lot of brands including Gibsons. I've had my hands on a lot of guitars in my time and the Gibsons I picked up were not worth the $1,800 + price points. Possibley worth about $800, yes, but compaired to all the other brands in the store including some nice Martins, Lerrivee and Taylors at that golden price point, only a fool would have chosen the Gibsons. SO it's no supprise to me sales are off.
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Re: Interesting info on Roland's sale of Cakewalk to Gibson...
2017/12/19 20:24:51
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vintagevibe Regardless of their business practices, Gibson makes superb acoustic guitars.
Haha - they really don't! Even most Gibson players I know dont like their accoustics, much less anyone that has ever held a decent guitar:) Fender accoustics are equally as horrible, and I love me a strat or two:)
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Re: Interesting info on Roland's sale of Cakewalk to Gibson...
2017/12/19 21:47:00
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vintagevibe Regardless of their business practices, Gibson makes superb acoustic guitars.
Haha - they really don't! Even most Gibson players I know dont like their accoustics, much less anyone that has ever held a decent guitar:) Fender accoustics are equally as horrible, and I love me a strat or two:)
I don’t mean to be rude but you are clueless. Look around YouTube to see all the people playing Gibson jumbos. What you are saying is opposite of actual reality. Anger at Gibson does not warrant spreading gross misinformation. Facts are important. No sense in arguing any more, however. Have a great day.
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Re: Interesting info on Roland's sale of Cakewalk to Gibson...
2017/12/19 22:52:39
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vintagevibe Regardless of their business practices, Gibson makes superb acoustic guitars.
Haha - they really don't! Even most Gibson players I know dont like their accoustics, much less anyone that has ever held a decent guitar:) Fender accoustics are equally as horrible, and I love me a strat or two:)
I don’t mean to be rude but you are clueless. Look around YouTube to see all the people playing Gibson jumbos. What you are saying is opposite of actual reality. Anger at Gibson does not warrant spreading gross misinformation. Facts are important. No sense in arguing any more, however. Have a great day.
1. You seem to have a bit of a problem with people having differing opinions to your own. Its OK. You dont have to resort to Ad hominem attacks just because a stranger on the internet disagrees with your obvious fondness for Gibson Acoustics. 2. You see a lot of people eating Mcdonalds too. Doesn't make it fine dining. 3. I am not angry at Gibson. The more information that comes out, the more you realise Cakewalk made its own bed. 4. Thanks. I will:)
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Re: Interesting info on Roland's sale of Cakewalk to Gibson...
2017/12/19 23:20:57
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tenfoot 2. You see a lot of people eating Mcdonalds too. Doesn't make it fine dining.
Hey now...
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Re: Interesting info on Roland's sale of Cakewalk to Gibson...
2017/12/20 04:40:57
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I have to say, I've never been impressed by Gibson or Fender acoustics and I've played quite a few of them in stores over the years. They always sounded a little on the thin side to me, compared to say a Martin or a Yamaha. And I guess I'm kinda spoiled because I have a thoroughly awesome handmade guitar which stomps on all of them - it was the first guitar made by the father of a friend of mine. Because it was his first, it's a little rough around the edges, but man it's so sweet sounding and rings like a bell. You play it in a house and it just fills the whole house with guitar. So sometimes in the guitar store I'll pick up something expensive and think, meh! That especially goes for the Gibsons and Fenders.
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Re: Interesting info on Roland's sale of Cakewalk to Gibson...
2017/12/20 10:12:35
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Nice James. Nothing like an evening with your favourite acoustic. I've got a Martin I'm pretty fond of when I want that rich, warm sound, a Takamine and a US Ovation shallow back (both 30+ years old) that are great through a pa for rock gigs, but my favourite noodling around home guitar is a actually made from a gord! I bought it at a folk festival in the late 80's and it is still going strong:)
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2017/12/20 10:14:43
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tenfoot 2. You see a lot of people eating Mcdonalds too. Doesn't make it fine dining.
Hey now...
Haha! Apologies metellus if it is your cuisine of choice:)
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Re: Interesting info on Roland's sale of Cakewalk to Gibson...
2017/12/20 11:39:22
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☄ Helpfulby craigb 2017/12/20 13:16:18
Mystic38 Guitar sales have plummeted, Both Fender and Gibson are in dire straights due to this one single fact. bottom line is, millenials wont pick up an instrument that you actually have to spend time to practice on
I don't believe that 'fact' is true at all. I've said this several times, but search YouTube for young guitarists - there are thousands of them. What about the hundreds of young guitar bands you can see on festival bills every summer? I'm 57, have been playing guitar for 40 years, and I've only ever bought 2 brand new 'name' guitars in all that time. When have kids ever been able to buy new Gibsons or Fenders? It's the price of new guitars that's hurting the big two, and the fact that there are now any number of second hand guitars to be bought, plus some great low end new ones, like Squier.
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