streckfus
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Interference Issue
Sorry for the vague subject heading, but couldn't think of a better way to put it. So, you know the sound you get if you put your smartphone too close to your monitors? That pitched static sound? Well, I recorded a podcast recently and to my dismay, that pitched static/interference sound had "gone to tape". But here's the thing: my cell phone wasn't even in the room at the time, and my monitors were muted. There were two of us in the room, and my buddy did have his cell in his pocket, but it was MY mic that picked up/recorded that interference. Neither of our mics were pointed directly at the monitors or at each other, although my mic was closer to the monitors than his. (I was using a Rode NT1-A and his was an AT2035.) Funny thing is that I didn't hear any interference at all while we were recording, only after it was too late. This is the first time I've ever run into this and I'm guessing that my mic placement is probably to blame (my mic placement is much different when I'm tracking my own vocals), but now I'm a bit paranoid that it'll happen again. I get that interference whenever I have a brain fart and put my cell phone on my desk, but that's no big deal since it's a monitoring-only situation and I simply need to move the phone out of the way. But now it has shown up in recordings and it's being caused by something other than my phone....any ideas?
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Re: Interference Issue
2016/03/18 14:25:02
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It's not unique to monitors so yeah, you can get it on the recording. Putting cell phones in airplane mode is a good idea while tracking. Or just switch them off altogether.
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streckfus
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Re: Interference Issue
2016/03/18 14:32:05
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So you think it might've been my buddy's cell phone that caused it? (Mine was in another room when we were recording.) Just strange that his mic/track didn't have any interference but mine did.
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Re: Interference Issue
2016/03/19 14:19:49
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That is weird. You didn't hear the static was monitoring the recording? I have an issue with my MONITOR/Display causing COMPUTER sounds (glitches, hard drive whirls, etc.) over my monitors but not in the recording signal. I have isolated the problem to a MACKIE outboard small mixer that I like to use to manage my monitoring. But, the sounds do NOT get recorded as part of any live track recordings. Sorry, I couldn't help you directly but the next time you hear some sounds, I suggest you try and isolate the culprit of the noise and then look for a specific solution. Jim
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Re: Interference Issue
2016/03/19 16:51:54
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Is this phone interference or a constant buzzing? Phone interference is that hefty brupting when it's communicating with a base station. Constant buzzing tones are a mains earth loop, caused by PC, interface, active monitors, instruments having their own power supplies which result in multiple connections to earth.
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streckfus
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Re: Interference Issue
2016/03/21 10:43:52
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Hey guys. No, the interference wasn't audible at all while we were tracking. I only noticed it after the fact when I was playing back the audio. It isn't a constant buzzing. It's an intermittent, "pitched static" type sound. In the past, whenever I've heard it, it's when my cell phone was sitting on the desk, so I'm assuming that's what's causing it. But because my phone wasn't in the room and my mic picked up the interference but my buddy's didn't (and he had his phone in his pocket) I'm wondering if it's something else. I DID recently swap out my old mouse for a wireless one...could THAT be causing it?
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Re: Interference Issue
2016/03/21 10:48:44
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streckfus: Can you post a snippet of the sound? Someone might be able to identify it from the characteristics of the audio. Also, depending upon what your monitoring source was, you may have missed it because you were monitoring at a point in the signal chain that was before where the interference was being injected in the signal that was being recorded. Could that be why you missed it when you were recording? Paul
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Re: Interference Issue
2016/03/21 10:59:46
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Yeah, good call. I'll upload a sample to YouTube after work today and provide the link. I was monitoring through headphones connected to my interface, so it's really strange that I didn't hear it while monitoring. Both mics plugged into the interface, direct monitoring from the interface. Of course, I suppose it's entirely feasible that the oddity was present while we were tracking and I just didn't notice it because I was focused on the podcast conversation instead...one disadvantage of being engineer and performer at the same time. :) But in either case, I've only noticed it before through my monitors when my cell phone was in close proximity. This is the first time the interference was actually recorded.
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Re: Interference Issue
2016/03/21 16:40:43
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I have never used this but I think there is an audio tool that let's you sample noise and then based upon the sampled noise, eliminates it from a targeted track. (I might have dreamt this but somewhere in the way back machine I might have stumbled upon this). Jim PS - it might have been a noise reduction tool in Soundforge but not sure
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Re: Interference Issue
2016/03/21 17:16:25
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Is it possible the XLR cable has been damaged so that it is no longer balanced? What I find most odd from your description is that the direct monitor didn't catch it. That almost implies the interference was created in the interface->PC cable, or possibly in the PC itself.
Another thing to try would be check an input echo from SONAR back out to the headphones.
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Re: Interference Issue
2016/03/21 17:54:55
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Following up from my earlier post, I just got an email from ISOTOPE and this feature is part of a noise reduction special pricing plug in suite: Dialogue De-noise plug-ins as part of the RX Plugin Pack Jim PS - I know you want to shoot the issue to eliminate it but in case you need to repair your recording.
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Re: Interference Issue
2016/03/21 18:26:18
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jimkleban I have never used this but I think there is an audio tool that let's you sample noise and then based upon the sampled noise, eliminates it from a targeted track. (I might have dreamt this but somewhere in the way back machine I might have stumbled upon this). Jim PS - it might have been a noise reduction tool in Soundforge but not sure
This exists in some audio suites included in video editors (Adobe is one). It also exists in RX5.
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Re: Interference Issue
2016/03/21 18:51:07
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dwardzala
jimkleban I have never used this but I think there is an audio tool that let's you sample noise and then based upon the sampled noise, eliminates it from a targeted track. (I might have dreamt this but somewhere in the way back machine I might have stumbled upon this). Jim PS - it might have been a noise reduction tool in Soundforge but not sure
This exists in some audio suites included in video editors (Adobe is one). It also exists in RX5.
Just used the noise reduction plugin within Sound Forge yesterday. Still works like a champ.
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Re: Interference Issue
2016/03/21 19:24:24
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As we're now on the subject of noise reduction. I've had pretty good success with Reafir. It's free from Cockos. It has a FFT noise reduction mode that works really well when you can sample the noise floor from your clip. Here's the web page that describes it: http://wiki.cockos.com/wiki/index.php/ReaFIR. See the "Subtraction" section for a description of how I use it to reduce noise. Maybe this will be of use to you, Paul
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Re: Interference Issue
2016/03/21 19:49:23
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Thanks guys. I've got some audio restoration tools and with enough fidgeting I could probably go back and fix it, but as mentioned previously, my main goal is to determine what this is and how to avoid it in the future. Below is the link to a quick sample on Soundcloud. The first several seconds are in the midst of dialogue but it's still pretty noticeable. The last few seconds I cut together really short snippets of the interference without any dialogue in the way. This was thrown together in a matter of minutes so don't judge the sloppy editing. :) https://soundcloud.com/streckfus/interference
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Re: Interference Issue
2016/03/21 19:51:32
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Oh, also... There's a PG-13 word in the audio snippet so listener discretion is advised.
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Re: Interference Issue
2016/03/21 22:39:04
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That definitely sounds like a cell phone "calling home".
One question remains - are you monitoring audio at the input to your system or are you monitoring the out of the computer. I'd imagine the input, because in a setting like that even a tiny bit of latency would get old quickly.
If that's the case then the noise is entering the system at some point post monitoring - that is, the signal you hear is clean, but the signal that is being recorded is corrupted.
So, what are you using for an audio interface - USB, Firewire, Lightpipe? Just trying to narrow down the field of suspects here<G>. RF interference such as what you captured can enter on a single-ended or balanced connection. In general a balanced connection will reject more than a single-ended connection, but once you get up into RF you start to depend more on shielding than CMMR or even twisted pairs.
So it seems likely that some part of the path from microphone to computer is single-ended, and un-shielded. This part of the path is also after where ever you are picking up the monitor/cue feed. That's where I'd start looking.
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Re: Interference Issue
2016/03/22 09:54:38
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When tracking vocals I'll typically monitor through SONAR so I can get a little reverb in the headphones, but I monitored directly through the interface when we recorded the podcast. I'm using a Focusrite Saffire Pro 40 firewire interface. Rode NT1-A (my mic) into the interface with a balanced XLR, AT2035 (his mic) into the interface with a balanced XLR. Yamaha HS8 monitors connected to the interface outs with balanced TRS-XLR cables. I've also got an Avid Eleven Rack connected to the interface via SPDIF. Sony MDR 7506 headphones for each of us. My channel was what recorded the interference. I've never run into this before (cell phone has caused interference with the monitors before, but I've never had it recorded before), and only two things have changed recently: new monitors (upgraded Alesis M1 Active MKII to Yamaha HS8 monitors) and a wireless mouse. What's strange is that we recorded two podcasts that evening, pretty much back-to-back. The first one picked up the interference. We stepped out and came back after about five minutes, the next podcast recorded clean. Our positioning changed a little bit since we moved mic stands out of the way to get up, etc. but the actual setup/monitoring remained the same. All I can think is that maybe his phone was going nuts during that first session and our positioning was a perfect storm to pick up the interference, but again, it's strange that my mic/channel is what picked up the cell phone interference and not his. Baffled.
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Re: Interference Issue
2016/03/22 23:31:48
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streckfus: I'll go out on a limb and say that I really don't think that sounds like a cell phone doing it's polling or communicating in a call. I think it sounds more like interference from a wireless radio device like a wireless access point or wireless mouse. Just a SWAG on that, but that's what I'd look at if that were happening to me. Check out this thread, they were having issues doing vocal takes using a Rode NT1A. Make sure to read the whole thing as they cover several perspectives of what could be causing the issue with some proposed solutions. Maybe there's something in there that will help eliminate your issue, Paul
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Re: Interference Issue
2016/03/23 09:35:07
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That's what's got me confused. I've heard that sound several times before through my monitors, long before I got my wireless mouse, and before I got the NT1-A. Each and every time, moving the cell phone away from my work area fixed the problem. But since I'd never recorded the interference before, and the wireless mouse is the newest element of my studio, I thought maybe it might've contributed to it. Thanks for the link, I'll check it out.
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