1 more opinion vote for no more Project 5 development. It will almost take a miracle now.

I'm hopeful and I used to be one of the main complainers about this.

As far as P5's future is concerned, stick a fork in it. It's done.

I think P5 is dead... I'm switching to Live I think, as I enjoy it a lot more, and it has many features I like (the essential one being the delay compensation that lets me use my Nord Rack without having a delay between internal tracks and the nord track(s). (I wonder why, I appear to have more than 20ms of delay, I guess it's the midi coming out of the sequencer, into the synth, back into the computer's audio ins, it makes for a rather big delay...)

I've always supported P5, I bought it two years ago, and enjoyed it a lot... now I don't see myself using it much anymore, as Live does everything I need, and probably more...

but I'd love to be surprised, and see a sweet P5v3 update, which I definetely would buy.

SO SAY WE ALL!!!!!!!!!

Your "updated form" is pretty generic, but surely you realize (as some of us have for several months) that there will be no version 3 of P5. I would say I admire your faith in Cakewalk, but I really don't. You need to realize that a piece of software is a tool. Your creativity and skill is what makes the music. Keep using P5 but simply understand that you will have to move on at some point. There are plenty of tools out there, and at least one will be right for you. I can't get into it myself, but Live is the choice of many these days. I like Cubase, others just slip back into Sonar. Still others get into FL Studio, Reaper, Acid, Podium, and on and on.....

Cakewalk will not say "otherwise" for at least months, if not years. Why would they say otherwise when they can still sell it (at a greatly reduced price) and not put any more development or advertising dollars into it? Cake/Roland is a business, they will milk the cash flow as long as its worth it.

Frankly it is nearing the point where your viewpoint appears naive. Your talent and creativity will flourish long after P5 is a distant memory :)

Uh, thanks for the patronizing response, but I've been a musician for nearly 40 years now and have a degree in music theory/composition, so I'm well aware that P5 is simply a tool. Besides, my primary "tool" is not Project5, nor has it ever been. I'm primarily a Sonar user, but I also use Cubase, as well as ProTools and FLS.

Personally, at this point, I could care less. I haven't even opened P5 since the 2.5 update was first released. I thought that P5 has a nice user interface that was easy to navigate. I thought that it was a good program and a great starting point for future development. I had hoped that it would become a lot more than it is, but in all honesty, Cakewalk is just not as concerned with developing this as they are Sonar. I think that we can all agree on that. Can someone use P5 to compose and write music with? Absolutely, but I like to know that the program that I am using is constantly being worked on and upgraded to give me more features and better workflow. In my opinion, Cakewalk hasn't done that with P5, and Sonar keeps getting more and more features that kind of cross over into what I consider P5's domain within the company.

Just imagine how many new and exciting features P5 would have if it had the same type of commitment that Sonar has.

I'm not trying to upset or argue with anyone here. I'm actually not taking anything away from P5 is in it's current form, but to me it's feature set just seems to be frozen in time.


This will be my last post in this forum because I feel as if it's time for me personally to close the book on P5. Even if Cakewalk does come up with a new version, I wouldn't have anything to gain from it. There is nothing at all that a new version of P5 could bring to the table that I can't already achieve with Sonar and Live.


I apologize if I offended anyone, and best wishes for all of those who still believe in a P5 future.



Sincerely Yours..................

-Kevin Bell-

ORIGINAL: agincourtdb

I'll say it again: predicting the future is the purview of fools and precognitives, and there's no such thing as precognitives.

Too funny ...............

ORIGINAL: BremenCole

and agincourtdb..... call me a "fool' if you like... but I am not predicting the future, I am simply observing reality. Any non-biased rational observer can see that P5 is not going to be dead, it already is. I do not consider you a fool, nor would I call anyone that over a piece of software. I do still find the resistance to the obvious truth amusing though. I hope you will still be here a year from now, perhaps you will see my point then :)

Edit: oops, hit the post button accidentally before typing my response.

Please understand: I'm not calling you a fool. I'm saying that making assumptions based on an absence of information is foolish. Those of us who have been around here since the beginning know that (and I can't believe I'm typing this again, for the hundredth time) Cake never says anything until things are about to go on sale. They don't do hype. There was exactly the same lull and predictions of doom before v.2. Though admittedly not as long. Hell, even Sonar 8 was only announced officially two weeks before it goes on pre-order, and then perhaps only because it leaked...

There isn't any information to base a call on yet. If you want to 'call it in the air', be my guest. But saying the outcome is 'obvious' is silly because it could still go either way, until they say something. Otherwise you are, sorry to say it again but it's true, just trying to predict the future.

this whole business model thing is very interesting in our global economy. there is still a whole lot of money that could be made here. i think there comes a time, especially when you start seeing p5 enthusiasts, one by one, openly give up on the software because they feel it would be pragmatic to find something new to get used to because people want to support (with their money) a product that has potential to grow (even though it may not be as cool and comparable to p5) that the company would either give some sort of sign to its constituents (to prevent other enthusiasts from jumping ship) OR for people like me to at least start giving other software suites (i.e. FL Studio 8.02) a 3rd or 5th look.
alas, poor yorick

after a dinosaur eats... it poops
if we all chant open source...
open source....
open source...
the dinosaur will not hear us but...
the people who labor for the dinosaur
will feel bad....
some believe... when a dinosaur dies
it’s source is opened for all to see
this is a myth....
it is really placed in a vault
for the dinosaurs covet their possessions

i have studied the ancient art and practice of dinosaur poop reading
there is a clear an distinct sign that p5 will be updated

ORIGINAL: agincourtdb
I'm saying that making assumptions based on an absence of information is foolish.

Maybe. But making assumptions based on the forensic and empirical evidence of past performance is NOT foolish in the least.

Or is things like science foolish to you?

Regardless, his claim is well justified.

ORIGINAL: agincourtdb
Those of us who have been around here since the beginning know that (and I can't believe I'm typing this again, for the hundredth time) Cake never says anything until things are about to go on sale. They don't do hype. There was exactly the same lull and predictions of doom before v.2. Though admittedly not as long. Hell, even Sonar 8 was only announced officially two weeks before it goes on pre-order, and then perhaps only because it leaked...

But we do know that Cakewalk people visit the Sonar forum regularly to add input and even fuel speculation to generate excitement, etc...That rarely, if ever, happens here anymore.

The program hasn't seen a new update in years.

The "renewed focus" was a failed statement.

The development blog has been abandoned.

Project5 was not even mentioned in the 20 year anniversary video, when other, lesser products were. i.e. They don't care about it.

Cakewalk make no claims to counter that it is no longer developed. Merely being supported does not equal development. Active participation in other forums demonstrated continued development, which is not the case in this forum.

Need there be more examples to make his claim justified?

ORIGINAL: agincourtdb
There isn't any information to base a call on yet. If you want to 'call it in the air', be my guest. But saying the outcome is 'obvious' is silly because it could still go either way, until they say something. Otherwise you are, sorry to say it again but it's true, just trying to predict the future.

Which, as stated above, is not foolish in the least. It is "obvious" until it is no longer "obvious". Cakewalk's record over the last two years concerning Project5 has not reversed this "obviousness".

agincourtdb, I am not trying to be rude, but since you were trying to be rude and clever, I feel compelled to demonstrate your backfired attempts.

Have a good one.

You know, it's funny, reading these types of threads, re: further development of a product. Hey, at least P5 and Sonar work in Vista. How about those poor schmoes that have a TC Powercore - they have a perfectly good dsp box that STILL doesn't have Vista drivers. Thankfully I'm still on XP so I can still use my Poco. Now shut up and go and make music!

"Man up"? What are you, fifteen? It's just software, dude!

Relax, just giving you a hard time. But seriously, the fact remains that none of us know the fate of Project5 at this point and some people are going to believe what we've been told until we hear different. You may very well end up being right and P5 may be dead, but you know nothing more than the rest of us do, so your opinion is no better than anybody else's. Bottom line is this - people are going to disagree with you in life and you really should learn to not take it so personally. Again, it's just software.