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2017/07/21 16:04:04 (permalink)

Is forum participation down?

I am back after a couple year absence (health, work...)  I have noticed that the postings on the forums are much less active than it used to be.  
 
I know it could be a variety of issues:
 - SPLAT Could just be that good!  
 - There are other ways of solving issues
 - User-ship (is that a word?) is down
 
Just an observation.  THoughts?
 
 

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Re: Is forum participation down? 2017/07/21 16:19:37 (permalink)
I think  the more we know, the less we ask. However there is always student waiting to ask a question.
 
 

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Re: Is forum participation down? 2017/07/21 16:19:47 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby michaelhanson 2017/07/21 16:20:28
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I am back after a couple year absence (health, work...)  I have noticed that the postings on the forums are much less active than it used to be.  
 
I know it could be a variety of issues:
 - SPLAT Could just be that good!  
 - There are other ways of solving issues
 - User-ship (is that a word?) is down
 
Just an observation.  THoughts?
 
 


Just my observation. When Sonar would introduce an annual release (i.e. X2 to X3) there would be a huge amount of posts for days or weeks. Now that updates come out every month, I think the posts are more spread out since some updates have features people like and others are not interested so don't post. I read the forum every day with my morning coffee and it seems like the number of posts have been pretty stable (and very helpful for me).
 
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Re: Is forum participation down? 2017/07/21 16:33:20 (permalink)
I think that with a new version being released every year or so with completely new guis and features being abandoned while introducing new ones or moving the features elsewhere contributed to more activity. Now that it seems we have settled in to a consistent core program, there is less confusion and thus less activity here. I have never been much of a media guy just to get on forums just to chat anyway. If I see a question that I can lend a hand with, I will jump in from time to time.
At the same time, I hope that less activity here means people are actually working on new projects which means more great music being produced by Cake products!!!!

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Re: Is forum participation down? 2017/07/21 17:19:27 (permalink)
I do think people struggle with problems for shorter periods of time. I remember people working for months with issues as simple as set up. That time seems to be way down. I think the advice people get is better. The computers are better. And each computer based engineer makes the initial transition to computer only once, so the supply of new users is reaching a steady state of growth.

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Re: Is forum participation down? 2017/07/21 17:19:42 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby tlw 2017/07/21 21:35:33
I think the answers above cover just everything I would have said.  I will add one more thing to the pot. We have hosts now and I believe it helps to keep the noise level down a little. 

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Re: Is forum participation down? 2017/07/21 17:21:37 (permalink)
....and of course some of the old "forum know-it-alls" don't post much these days!

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Re: Is forum participation down? 2017/07/21 18:17:38 (permalink)
My thoughts....
 
1) Sonar is better...issues get resolved much, much faster because of the new delivery system.
2) Monthly updates keep people more busy
3) The Forum is divided up with the Coffee House and other areas, so if you don't go to those areas you see less activity
 
This still is the best place to go for info.  Test it out.  Ask a question and see how many good answers you will get.

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Re: Is forum participation down? 2017/07/21 19:49:16 (permalink)
There is another thing at play, at least for me.
 
As the program grows in complexity, and my working knowledge of the ins & outs of the program hasn't evolved at the same rate, I'm less able than I was during the X series and prior to give a relevant answer straight away and by the time I've researched it, someone else has usually beat me to it.

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Re: Is forum participation down? 2017/07/21 20:12:56 (permalink)
Welcome back, space! 
 
The user base continues to grow, but I have noticed that many of the old-timers don't drop in as often as they used to. I include myself in that group. Even though I still check in every day, I don't post with the same frequency as I did a decade ago.
 
Part of it is that SONAR has become largely problem-free. Part of it is that for us greybeards the same perennial questions have become tedious to re-hash. I am never going to explain the sampling theorem to another YouTube-educated nitwit. Fortunately there are others here, including many helpful newcomers, to take up the slack.


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Re: Is forum participation down? 2017/07/21 20:57:49 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby paulo 2017/07/22 10:50:01
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....and of course some of the old "forum know-it-alls" don't post much these days!


Now we have a new-ish one now who is apparently here to squash all free thinking.
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Re: Is forum participation down? 2017/07/21 21:57:18 (permalink)
Yes, the forum is not as much fun as it used to be. Things are squashed rather quickly, for the good, I suppose...
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Re: Is forum participation down? 2017/07/21 23:05:32 (permalink)
Speaking for myself, I still read the forum most days, but I don't think I post a tenth as much as I did a couple of years ago. Mostly, I'm just too busy, but nearly all of my working days are spent using Sonar. So probably the point that the program is currently very usable and relatively bug free (at least for my use cases) applies here.
 
I would like to have more time to participate. Sometimes I see a post asking something and think "I know the answer to that", but just don't have the time to reply. Must try harder.

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Re: Is forum participation down? 2017/07/21 23:22:42 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby John T 2017/07/23 10:30:41
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Speaking for myself, I still read the forum most days, but I don't think I post a tenth as much as I did a couple of years ago. Mostly, I'm just too busy, but nearly all of my working days are spent using Sonar. So probably the point that the program is currently very usable and relatively bug free (at least for my use cases) applies here.
 
I would like to have more time to participate. Sometimes I see a post asking something and think "I know the answer to that", but just don't have the time to reply. Must try harder.


I for one have missed your input John.

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Re: Is forum participation down? 2017/07/21 23:23:02 (permalink)
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....and of course some of the old "forum know-it-alls" don't post much these days!




That's a very weird statement?
There's only one person here who truly does "Know it all" and scook might be the reason we need not answer most threads most days. Even if he doesn't know the answer, he always knows where to look :0
 
And user peer to peer forums are all the same as far as I've noticed here and elsewhere, with both good and bad answers, anyone who comes looking for answers needs to be aware of this and filter the advice given. Generally these day's most of the answers here are excellent and to the point. 
 
I'll also agree with gswitz  Go dig up threads from the X1 days and earlier and most were Computer issues. We just didn't have the horsepower and memory back then. And the software have become less buggy and most don't have those sort of issues anymore. A well built PC and everything up to date - problems solved.

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Re: Is forum participation down? 2017/07/22 01:11:46 (permalink)
I've noticed the middle of the week and late at night (west coast N. America) is generally less lively these days.
The thread subjects are far more varied, perhaps even more obscure. Many threads are started and the OP never returns. It's just a kinder gentler forum with way less *!#% disturbers than 4 years ago. My opinion is that the moderators have done a good job keeping things on target, though, I miss Alex, before he got barred, he was a lot of fun.

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Re: Is forum participation down? 2017/07/22 03:06:59 (permalink)
Bitflipper and John - you guys have been around for as long as I remember!
 
And yes, the program is much more stable.  And yes, I am constantly trying to catch up from a 3 year absence.  And yes, there is always something new.  
 
But sadly, I have forgotten a bunch of this fine program.  It has such a steep learning curve (all of the DAWs I have tried do so it is not a criticism of Cake).  
 
Alex got barred?  Which Alex?  
 
Did CJ disappear into professional recording land?  And there used to be a couple of girls of the female persuasion (susan?) that were around.  I don't see them.  
 
 

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Re: Is forum participation down? 2017/07/22 03:10:53 (permalink)
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Bitflipper and John - you guys have been around for as long as I remember!
 
And yes, the program is much more stable.  And yes, I am constantly trying to catch up from a 3 year absence.  And yes, there is always something new.  
 
But sadly, I have forgotten a bunch of this fine program.  It has such a steep learning curve (all of the DAWs I have tried do so it is not a criticism of Cake).  
 
Alex got barred?  Which Alex?  
 
Did CJ disappear into professional recording land?  And there used to be a couple of girls of the female persuasion (susan?) that were around.  I don't see them.  
 
 


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Re: Is forum participation down? 2017/07/22 03:15:19 (permalink)
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Bitflipper and John - you guys have been around for as long as I remember!
 
And yes, the program is much more stable.  And yes, I am constantly trying to catch up from a 3 year absence.  And yes, there is always something new.  
 
But sadly, I have forgotten a bunch of this fine program.  It has such a steep learning curve (all of the DAWs I have tried do so it is not a criticism of Cake).  
 
Alex got barred?  Which Alex?  
 
Did CJ disappear into professional recording land?  And there used to be a couple of girls of the female persuasion (susan?) that were around.  I don't see them.  
 
 


CJ still posts, but not as often (think he got married) . . . might be CEO of Soundblaster by now ?

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Re: Is forum participation down? 2017/07/22 03:26:29 (permalink)
CJ posted last night
 
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Re: Is forum participation down? 2017/07/22 03:35:13 (permalink)
Whew at least it wasn't Alex Thekook or however you spell that Dutch(?) name.  He is a good dude.  

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Re: Is forum participation down? 2017/07/22 04:53:37 (permalink)
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...I have noticed that the postings on the forums are much less active than it used to be...

 
The rate of posting seems to be down. Or maybe just the number of threads is down. I remember a time when any threads that had not been active more that 12 hours would already have been long-overtaken and bumped down to page 2.

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Re: Is forum participation down? 2017/07/22 11:50:00 (permalink)
I don't know if this was mentioned already, but it seems a lot of my old haunts (music forums, such as this one) have lost a lot of activity when Facebook started to become more popular.   When FB first started, it was mostly social groups between family, friends and coworkers.  But now we have tons of commercial-related groups.  I know of at least 6 or 7 Sonar Facebook groups that are very active on a daily basis.

There were also a lot of private forums, one of them grew out of the Coffee House, for musicians to discuss whatever they wanted.  And it was a true virtual community.   But those too have seen many members migrate over to Facebook.

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Re: Is forum participation down? 2017/07/22 16:24:23 (permalink)
Forums in general don't have the same level of activity before other social media came into prominence. However, forums are still the only place for having lengthy, substantive discussions. Interestingly, HarmonyCentral.com has had 10 straight months of growth and most of that is due to the forums. I'd like to say we can up with some brilliant strategy 10 months ago but we didn't. The best theory I heard was at NAMM - "You guys lasted long enough for people to get sick of Facebook."
 
Overall, I think what's happening here is quality over quantity, for the various reasons posted above. Facebook is often more about quantity over quality. 

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Re: Is forum participation down? 2017/07/22 16:35:43 (permalink)
And here's me thinking that there's so many new names on the forum that just don't post as much. But yes lots the the old timers are gone.
Susan G went over to Reaper and a few more went over to Studio One.

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Re: Is forum participation down? 2017/07/22 17:53:27 (permalink)
It is cool to see some of the old crew here. Many good memories. 

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Re: Is forum participation down? 2017/07/22 21:30:22 (permalink)
Yea, I don't have the time to post as much, and, frankly, I've probably said all I know in the last ten years.  I don't even read many newbie questions since there are plenty of answers by other (and younger and less jaded) people.  And I think most of the above arguments is true.  Not as many software problems and computer problems as we used to have, for the most part.
 
I still like jumping in on SONAR and touch, and the matrix. 

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Re: Is forum participation down? 2017/07/22 23:21:11 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby FCCfirstclass 2017/07/23 17:22:31
I'm happy to say, whether this Cakewalk forum is declining or growing, it's still one of my regular daily online stops.
Most of the time I just read, but when I feel I can offer something, or post a song, (or need to ask a question), I'll post as well.

And to paraphrase Anderton's quote, even though I participate heavily on Facebook, it's just gotten so political lately, and even worse, the click-bait questions and commercial spam is causing massive Facebook burn-out.
 

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Re: Is forum participation down? 2017/07/23 00:04:59 (permalink)
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 . . . I don't post with the same frequency as I did a decade ago . . . Part of it is that SONAR has become largely problem-free. Part of it is that for us greybeards the same perennial questions have become tedious to re-hash . . .



This greybeard is still a regular visitor.  I had a fling with a couple of other DAWs a while back, but the improvements Sonar made while I was fooling around elsewhere drew me back.  It has been problem-free for me too.  Not a burp or a reboot for a long time.  For me, this forum has gone from a noisy emergency room triage station to a comfy classroom where I can park myself to learn new stuff and relearn old stuff I've forgotten or mis-filed.  Thanks to all the regular teaching staff who show up and keep this place useful.
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Re: Is forum participation down? 2017/07/23 01:52:35 (permalink)
Still here, still occasionally creating.  I'm not spending anywhere near the amount of time I used to on forums.  I've actually recently been making a concerted effort to do more here and over at the vdrums.com forum because I found that the more I involved myself in the community, the more engaged I was in my musical endeavors.  Cutting back on one seems to have a direct relationship to cutting back on the other.  Whether it's just discussion about topics, reading and learning, or teaching, testing, or whatever, there seems to be a correlation - especially since I'm just a hobbyist.  I'm sure for those full-time folks, there is much less of a relationship and maybe even an inverse one!
 
Still glad to be here.  Happy to have an early "joined date" and a pretty good number of posts, so at least when I say something, even though I've been out of touch for a while, people don't say "newbie"!

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