BobF
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Re: Is membership program
2015/05/15 12:29:26
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk] After completing 12 consecutive months of monthly membership OR buying an annual membership you own the product (i.e. it won't expire). After that point if you start a new membership cycle the process repeats. Note that when you start a new cycle if its monthly, then you will be subject to the same expiration terms if you don't complete 12 consecutive months. If you choose to discontinue with the new membership cycle for any reason however, you will still own the prior version you paid for so you will be able to roll back to it at any time.
BobF if you continue for another 11 months after the initial 12, regardless of how you paid for the initial 12, and as long as there are no lapses, you will keep all 23 months if you stop. At that point in time, you HAVE paid for the previous 12 months. By continuing beyond the initial 12 months you have a rolling 12 months of paid membership.
According to Noel, and also the way I understand it, you can not make 23 payments. You buy a 1 year membership. At the end of that year you can buy another 1 year membership. You can pay in 12 monthly instalments, then another 12 monthly instalments. If you stop in the second year after 11 instalments, then you have not paid for the second year's membership as you agreed you would.
This scenario was discussed ad nausium during the initial rollout. Compare the 23 month payer's status, let's say Jan 15 thru Nov 16, to someone who started a 12 month membership in Nov 15. What are they each entitled to at the end of Nov 16? Have they both not paid for the previous 12 months?
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Kamikaze
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Re: Is membership program
2015/05/15 12:37:59
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☄ Helpfulby BobF 2015/05/15 13:08:25
Bristol_Jonesey What is so difficult to understand about this? It's an annual fee with the option to pay monthly. Guess what happens if you don't pay your full 12 months?
I thought the monthly fee was continual, but you had to at least have 12 months to keep what you had paid for. You pay 11 months > reverts to demo You pay 12 months > you keep you pay 14 months you > you keep 14 months worth.
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Re: Is membership program
2015/05/15 13:31:33
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What Kamikaze wrote is wrong...you would keep the 12 months but not the additional 2 months (2 months is only one sixth of the annual price). Unfortunately all these confusion is Cakewalks own fault. They obviously want to go to a full on subscription but to not scare people off they have this half-baked quasi subscription!
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Re: Is membership program
2015/05/15 14:12:00
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ronniejames ...They obviously want to go to a full on subscription but to not scare people off they have this half-baked quasi subscription!
Gotta love assumptions. Maybe what they have right now is exactly what they wanted, it sure seems that way from here. The one and only aspect that still seems unclear, and only because we've had slightly different replies from the bakery, is exactly what one owns if they stop monthly payments between months 13 and 23. IOW, the various "what if I do this sometime in the future..." projections. I'd imagine before that time comes (next January) everyone will know that answer. For real.
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Re: Is membership program
2015/05/15 15:36:47
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Of course it's an assumption...I do not work for the company. It has been made clear many times-you buy the product and get updates for 12 months. After the those 12 months you can buy the product and get 12 MORE months. YOU choose how to pay: all at once or spread out over 12 months. If you pay spread out payments over 12 months you haven't FULLY paid for it until your LAST payment on the 12th month then the process repeats itself: you can pay for a second year all at once or once again spread it out over the NEXT 12 months (months 13 through 24). As in your FIRST 12 months, you will have not FULLY paid for the second year until month 24.
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Re: Is membership program
2015/05/15 15:48:00
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To add to my above post, if you stop paying BEFORE you FULLY pay one year the product reverts to the last version you FULLY paid for. For example if you paid for 16 consecutive months and then stopped paying your version would revert to what you had after you paid for after the 12th month..months 13, 14, 15 and 16 more or less vanish because you did not FULLY pay for one more year. Similar to a car being repossesed after stopping payments before you fully paid for it. While it might seem unfair. bear in mind you had full use of the product in months 13, 14, 15 and 16 you just can no longer have use it because you stopped making payments before the second year was fully paid for>
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Re: Is membership program
2015/05/15 16:14:26
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BobF
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Re: Is membership program
2015/05/15 16:24:48
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Re: Is membership program
2015/05/15 17:10:17
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Well, I just checked with Andrew and yes, I owe you 10 minutes of your life.
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Re: Is membership program
2015/05/16 11:18:46
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So my thinking above was correct then? "I thought the monthly fee was continual, but you had to at least have 12 months to keep what you had paid for. You pay 11 months > reverts to demo You pay 12 months > you keep you pay 14 months you > you keep 14 months worth." How do you get to link like that, where it doesn't just take you to the thread, but the actual post with a thread?
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Kamikaze
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Re: Is membership program
2015/05/16 11:20:09
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BobF
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Re: Is membership program
2015/05/16 11:52:12
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Kamikaze
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Re: Is membership program
2015/05/16 11:55:17
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Ahhh cool, I asked this once before, and it went unanswered, and it's been staring me in the face all along. Cheers Bob
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