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2018/04/06 17:51:57 (permalink)

Is sound qulity REALLY that important?

Reading through all the threads here the amount of focus on plugins, EQ's and compressors etc is staggering, which is in no way strange considering where we are and the focus of the forum. But in all honesty, some of the best MUSIC I listen to might be noisy and poorly mixed etc and I STILL enjoy the **** out of it. To me it is always the quality of the music that comes first by a thousand miles. A super well produced turd is just that, and a crappy recording of a beautiful piece of music still rocks.  I rather listen to some bootlegged version of Hendrix playing Little Wing than a pristine version of the latest whatever.  Not to say there isn't good new music, there is for sure. Just saying .. the notes matter much more than the plugins :) 
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Re: Is sound qulity REALLY that important? 2018/04/06 18:05:12 (permalink)
But a pristine version of Little Wing would be the best, would it not?  Yes, the notes matter more than the plugins, but our notes are already great, the best really, tremendous notes, the biggest and best notes, yuge notes..and we need the best, unbelievably great and very very special plugins to do them justice.  
 
 

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Re: Is sound qulity REALLY that important? 2018/04/06 18:08:52 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby tlw 2018/04/07 14:11:34
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But a pristine version of Little Wing would be the best, would it not?  Yes, the notes matter more than the plugins, but our notes are already great, the best really, tremendous notes, the biggest and best notes, yuge notes..and we need the best, unbelievably great and very very special plugins to do them justice.  
 
 


haha so what, you went to Trump College Of Music is that what you re saying? :)
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Re: Is sound qulity REALLY that important? 2018/04/06 18:22:04 (permalink)
Just trying to make music great again Tobias, ha ha

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Re: Is sound qulity REALLY that important? 2018/04/06 18:29:19 (permalink)
I think the point is that great music is great music no matter what, but that well produced great music is a better listening experience than poorly produced great music. 

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Re: Is sound qulity REALLY that important? 2018/04/06 18:57:51 (permalink)
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I think the point is that great music is great music no matter what, but that well produced great music is a better listening experience than poorly produced great music. 




Hard to argue with that :) 
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Re: Is sound qulity REALLY that important? 2018/04/06 21:12:31 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Karyn 2018/04/12 12:39:06
There seems to be some conflation of production quality and sound quality here. Sound quality is what, in the vinyl age, was called fidelity i. e. a recorded or rendered sound should closely resemble the original with as little artifact content as possible. That is primarily a function of the technology used in the process, and of course it is not the only factor to be considered in the listenability of the sound. It is hard to make the case that great music sounds better at low fidelity, so all things being equal a reasonable sound quality is advisable. On the other hand, if the distinction in quality is something that can only be measured using specialized instruments, or can be appreciated only by bats, such ultra-high fidelity is largely superfluous. Much of the hype around sound quality, extreme sampling rates, fantastical signal to noise ratios etc. is just hype. 
 
Production quality generally refers to the recording techniques used to capture the sound, and in contemporary use typically to what was once called post-production as well, if not primarily. This latter meaning involves an artistic and esthetic application of mixing and mastering processes, that can radically alter the sound. Arguably some of the most popular work in circulation would be much worse if not for the work in post-production.
 
Some truly great music was captured on wax cylinders, but the sound quality was pretty abysmal, and most of us would find it pretty tiring for long periods of casual listening. You can listen through the poor sound quality and appreciate the music with some effort, but the aural experience is a bit like running with a sprained ankle.
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Re: Is sound qulity REALLY that important? 2018/04/06 23:22:21 (permalink)
Pure and simple is the way I like it most of the time. On some music I go with only enough enhancement to bring out the closest sound of the live performance but other times it’s turned out that enhancements become a defining part of the music. Each project is so different for me. My concern is for the sound I want for the song so whatever that takes is the way I go no matter what plugin sample effect etc is used

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Re: Is sound qulity REALLY that important? 2018/04/07 01:00:33 (permalink)
RE: "qulity"
 
Subtle yet chuckle worthy.
 
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Re: Is sound qulity REALLY that important? 2018/04/07 08:09:02 (permalink)
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RE: "qulity"
 
Subtle yet chuckle worthy.
 
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Re: Is sound qulity REALLY that important? 2018/04/07 13:29:49 (permalink)
interesting thread
 
even if it is posted in the coffee house
 
I agree with the above statement! esp sharke... I'm a bit of a 90's child (almost), but does anyone remember HitClips? The sort of angsty teen's precursor to mp3 listening devices that hooked onto only one ear (one model did, at least) and took a giant chip to hold like 1/3 of a pop song at a SUPER compressed sound quality?
 
NOT to say that was great music, but these days I definitely would take my higher sound quality-options over that thingy 
 

 
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Re: Is sound qulity REALLY that important? 2018/04/08 11:23:41 (permalink)
It's totally simple. When you record, you usually try to record as well as you can, especially if you're a professional.
Manufacturers struggle to produce the tools for ultimate sound quality. It does not undermine the value of music recorded in challenging conditions or with modest equipment. The music and feeling is what matters.

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Re: Is sound qulity REALLY that important? 2018/04/08 18:19:01 (permalink)
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I agree with the above statement! esp sharke... I'm a bit of a 90's child (almost), but does anyone remember HitClips?



I remember listening to music on an AM radio. Even highly compressed MP3s have better sound quality. Nothing like listening to a tune fade in and out as the weather changed, moving the tuning dial ever so slightly to try to bring in that far away station, listening to a soft section of a song get totally lost in the background hiss, only to be jolted out of your seat when a lightning bolt hit nearby and the zap came across the radio. Of course the best was when you went under a bridge or into a tunnel. Then you found out who could really sing in your family!

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Re: Is sound qulity REALLY that important? 2018/04/09 23:33:10 (permalink)
i love the old punk recordings noise and all
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Re: Is sound qulity REALLY that important? 2018/04/10 17:42:45 (permalink)
So like if a tree falls... I mean like if you're in the forest and there's no sound... well it's something like that anyway !!!!

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Re: Is sound qulity REALLY that important? 2018/04/10 18:39:37 (permalink)
"Is sound qulity REALLY that important?"
 
absolutely.
 
otherwise, everybody and their brother's recordings would be just as good as the best.
 
and they're not.
 

 


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Re: Is sound qulity REALLY that important? 2018/04/10 20:26:24 (permalink)
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"Is sound qulity REALLY that important?"
 
absolutely.
 
otherwise, everybody and their brother's recordings would be just as good as the best.
 
and they're not.
 

 





No risk of that, because everybody and their brother can write good music to save their life :)
As mentioned above, in the choice can be good music AND good sound quality (or good production or whatever you want to call it )  that is an obvious choice, my only argument here was that we sometimes tend to forget about the quality of the music itself and it becomes less important than the production etc. 
 
Kind of like having a ****ty book written on beautiful paper and with a dynamite cover, doesn't do much for the book really. 
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Re: Is sound qulity REALLY that important? 2018/04/10 22:27:54 (permalink)
well, i say, 'to each his own'......
 
but a really well written, well performed, well captured and mixed song,
is always going to catch my attention more than a killer garage band with a recording that sounds like it was in a garage.
 
 
that's why all the really killer classic rock recordings still stand today.
 
you should always strive for the very best end result you are capable of.

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Re: Is sound qulity REALLY that important? 2018/04/10 22:29:34 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby tlw 2018/04/10 22:33:56
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"Is sound qulity REALLY that important?"
 
absolutely.
 
otherwise, everybody and their brother's recordings would be just as good as the best.
 
and they're not.
 



No risk of that, because everybody and their brother can write good music to save their life :)
As mentioned above, in the choice can be good music AND good sound quality (or good production or whatever you want to call it )  that is an obvious choice, my only argument here was that we sometimes tend to forget about the quality of the music itself and it becomes less important than the production etc. 
 
Kind of like having a ****ty book written on beautiful paper and with a dynamite cover, doesn't do much for the book really. 




This IS true of course - production value lives to serve good music; we DO listen to music for the music of it and NOT (or at least no necessarily) the production quality. It's interesting to wonder what effects and mics and techniques were used to get certain sounds, but in the end, if the song ain't good, it 't'ain't good!
 
I will however also say that some certain recordings of songs actually ARE better OWING to a lower level of recording quality, or that recordings or maybe an artist's unique sound comes as a a result of lower quality - intentional or otherwise.
 
So yeah, maybe the premise of this thread holds a lot of weight.
 
 
BUT
 
 
I won't fail to mention also that a really POORLY recorded (or highly compressed, for instance) GOOD song can also be a pain to listen to and NOT be enjoyable.

 
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Re: Is sound qulity REALLY that important? 2018/04/10 23:31:14 (permalink)
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So like if a tree falls... I mean like if you're in the forest and there's no sound... well it's something like that anyway !!!!




 
That's what's so funny about that zen thing.  You start off the sentence saying the tree fell....it's pretty obvious the tree actually fell unless it's fake news?

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Re: Is sound qulity REALLY that important? 2018/04/11 01:49:25 (permalink)
I think a well done home recording of a good song could hold it's own against a commercial release of an average song, however I wouldn't think too many average listeners would care too much about listening to distorted phone recording of a number one hit. Then again, there are some who only listen to the lyrics and could care less about the music or production.   
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Re: Is sound qulity REALLY that important? 2018/04/11 15:02:40 (permalink)
I have a record "and the disk" called more of Bob Marley at his best, tons of noise but it grooves so hard, Trench Town Rock is a killer song i've seen pictures of Marley and Peter Tosh recording in a studio. some of those Jamaican studio's are bare bones like wooden shipping crate's cut in half and lined with foam rubber as a vocal room.. but the music has a sound that just moves...
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Re: Is sound qulity REALLY that important? 2018/04/11 17:18:33 (permalink)
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So like if a tree falls... I mean like if you're in the forest and there's no sound... well it's something like that anyway !!!!




 
That's what's so funny about that zen thing.  You start off the sentence saying the tree fell....it's pretty obvious the tree actually fell unless it's fake news?


Or did the forest rise up to meet the tree?

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Re: Is sound qulity REALLY that important? 2018/04/11 17:24:30 (permalink)


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Re: Is sound qulity REALLY that important? 2018/04/11 19:29:20 (permalink)
there are times where the emotion of the performance is more important than the quality of the capture, yes.
 
 
but by and large, this is the exception to the rule.
 
the bar has been set very high by those that precede us,
you have to ask yourself,
are you up to the task?
or looking for an excuse for crappy sounding recordings?!
 
 
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Re: Is sound qulity REALLY that important? 2018/04/11 20:24:01 (permalink)
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I wouldn't think too many average listeners would care too much about listening to distorted phone recording of a number one hit.


There are countless phone-shot over-compressed and distorted videos on youtube to prove exactly the opposite.

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Re: Is sound qulity REALLY that important? 2018/04/11 21:34:31 (permalink)
just because the lowest common denominator is so common,
does not make it 'good' or 'acceptable'.
 
unless you love mcdonalds hamburgers.
 
a lot of people do.
but we don't call it fine dining.

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Re: Is sound qulity REALLY that important? 2018/04/11 22:18:14 (permalink)
I love just crusty, insane, completely unmarketable freakshow type bands and although it's not all I do I certainly enjoy creating that style myself.
 
I have been listening to absolutely sh*te quality demos and semi "pro" recordings for over twenty years now and never ONCE have I thought that (in the context of those sh*tty recordings) that the recording would not be more enjoyable if only it had been produced better.
 
I am a huuuuuuuuge Dead Kennedy's fan. They are pretty much my favorite band musically.
 
Their production values were always horrendous and they went from one extreme to the next. The early stuff (which I prefer) was clippy, distorted, fizzy and generally fatiguing to the ear... BUT the bass and drum interaction cuts through so well (an example of good musicianship) that it makes it sound kind of balanced and if you turn down the "tone" knob the ear peircing high end can be tolerated.
 
THEN for I think "Frankenchrist" they glommed onto that really crisp late 80's/early 90's production style with the digital reverb and all the warmth scooped out. A lot of punk bands got sucked into that crappy sound because I think the engineers at the time just figured "Well this is heavy music... let's treat it like a metal album" except that style of mixing didn't work for punk (and barely worked for very specific types of metal).
 
I try to listen to those "metalfied" tunes and just can't.
 
And that was the friggen' DK's who had access to half decent studios, engineers and gear.
 
I've got stuff where you can barely discern half the crap that's going on (audio pulled from crappy boards that only the vox are going through, video cam audio, zooms/ghetto blasters setup somewhere recording, whatever).
 
I can still enjoy that stuff if I REALLY know the material because my brainoodle fills in the blanks between things coming in and out of focus (in the mic's "eye") but ya, no... I'd rather hear it clearly.
 
It matters.
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Re: Is sound qulity REALLY that important? 2018/04/11 22:51:56 (permalink)
I think that EQ and compressors are just a little bit of the picture on sound. If you have a keyboard you bought for $300 in the 90s and you try to make decent music with that, even Bach wont sound good. I had one of those, and i did make music with it. Thank God for Native Instrument and the like.
 


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Re: Is sound qulity REALLY that important? 2018/04/11 23:07:03 (permalink)
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I think that EQ and compressors are just a little bit of the picture on sound. If you have a keyboard you bought for $300 in the 90s and you try to make decent music with that, even Bach wont sound good. I had one of those, and i did make music with it. Thank God for Native Instrument and the like.
 





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