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Re:Is there a sample player or sampler in X1 or 2 that plays the Kontakt samples? 2013/04/13 09:20:19 (permalink)
Gents,
1) tried now to work with the kontaktplayer 5, which requires Win 7,but I want to upgrade
the Os and pc after this production is finished.
Sure.....so this is no way here.....
2 .I found  good and cheap sounding Dukcimer samples which are possible to 
select in Soundfont- and gigastudio-format.

  Whch format  works in  X2 (better)  Soundfont or Giagstudio, 
  to work with in Sonar X1 - X2 ? Which sampler/synth, Dimension Pro ? 
Thanks in advance for  recommendations.

http://www.soundbrewer.com/Hammer-Dulcimer--Hammered-Dulcimer-p-23.html


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Re:Is there a sample player or sampler in X1 or 2 that plays the Kontakt samples? 2013/04/13 10:40:28 (permalink)
Pragi


2 .I found  good and cheap sounding Dukcimer samples which are possible to 
select in Soundfont- and gigastudio-format.

Whch format  works in  X2 (better)  Soundfont or Giagstudio, 
to work with in Sonar X1 - X2 ? Which sampler/synth, Dimension Pro ? 
Thanks in advance for  recommendations. 


Soundfont - you need the free SFZ+ program http://www.store.cakewalk.com/b2cgbp/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=35-CWSZ1.40-20E
 
The SFZ program that is bundled with X2 does not play SF2 files. When you use SFZ+ you may have to experiment with the settings to get it to load the soundfont.
 
As at alternative the free TX16W sampler has a lot more features and should play soundfonts http://www.tx16wx.com/


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Re:Is there a sample player or sampler in X1 or 2 that plays the Kontakt samples? 2013/04/13 10:50:31 (permalink)
Glyn,thanks a lot!
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Re:Is there a sample player or sampler in X1 or 2 that plays the Kontakt samples? 2013/04/13 13:44:23 (permalink)
ääääääääähhmmm-woassssshhhhh,
now I tried the both sample player, the tx 16 and the sfx plus with the soundbrewer.com/Hammer-Dulcimer,  
but when uploading the samoles,
I get the following message:

Insufficient memory-
There´s no  enough memory for load the selected soundfont.


There is enough space on the hd´s,more than 50 GB,  
 the ram ?  Glyn , tried a bit to change the sfx plus settings, any hind about that ?

thanks!


post edited by Pragi - 2013/04/13 14:10:14
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Re:Is there a sample player or sampler in X1 or 2 that plays the Kontakt samples? 2013/04/13 14:22:14 (permalink)
Now soundfond is uploading in mode: dfb, bur still no sound,
strange,or?
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Re:Is there a sample player or sampler in X1 or 2 that plays the Kontakt samples? 2013/04/13 14:42:54 (permalink)
Just as an add-on to the info re  Extreme Sample Converter  - it does NOT convert NKx samples (the current format)...Only NKi which are the older format from NI
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Re:Is there a sample player or sampler in X1 or 2 that plays the Kontakt samples? 2013/04/13 14:57:57 (permalink)
Solved, 
  soundfont of the brewer dulcimer works in rxp1.dont know why and don´t ask why, please!!!!! 
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Re:Is there a sample player or sampler in X1 or 2 that plays the Kontakt samples? 2013/04/13 20:28:44 (permalink)
IMHO, the Kontakt factory libraries are just OK... nothing in there that I would use on a project though.. but gives you a good idea what Kontakt can do... so, KONTAKT 5 full version is just the sample player unlocked.  You can't use it to sample just to play back librariies you purchase or make yourself.

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Re:Is there a sample player or sampler in X1 or 2 that plays the Kontakt samples? 2013/04/14 00:08:01 (permalink)
Do y'all remember VSampler

We got the DXi version with Sonar 3 I believe. It hasn't really changed much since then & it's still available as a download. 



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Re:Is there a sample player or sampler in X1 or 2 that plays the Kontakt samples? 2013/04/15 11:53:08 (permalink)
joden


Just as an add-on to the info re  Extreme Sample Converter  - it does NOT convert NKx samples (the current format)...Only NKi which are the older format from NI

which is what I use.. most sample makers will stick with the NKI format, so older users can use their sample libs.


the chicken translator or whatever it is.. conforms to the later (none cakewalk) standard of "SFZ" , and will include / introduce invalid entries into the SFZ.


I'd have converted them to DP , if it's only a few.. but the link to the original webpage doesn't seem to work.

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Re:Is there a sample player or sampler in X1 or 2 that plays the Kontakt samples? 2013/04/15 12:50:22 (permalink)
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IMHO, the Kontakt factory libraries are just OK... nothing in there that I would use on a project though.. but gives you a good idea what Kontakt can do... so, KONTAKT 5 full version is just the sample player unlocked.  You can't use it to sample just to play back librariies you purchase or make yourself.

Jim
No Kontakt is a full fledged sampler. And yes you can make your own samples using it. It will also convert almost all other sampler formats to its own.
As to the library. I think is a very good one with a good selection of very usable instruments.




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Re:Is there a sample player or sampler in X1 or 2 that plays the Kontakt samples? 2013/04/15 13:06:43 (permalink)
+1 on Kontakt 5 full version.  FABULOUS.

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Re:Is there a sample player or sampler in X1 or 2 that plays the Kontakt samples? 2013/04/15 14:49:55 (permalink)
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IMHO, the Kontakt factory libraries are just OK... nothing in there that I would use on a project though.. but gives you a good idea what Kontakt can do... so, KONTAKT 5 full version is just the sample player unlocked.  You can't use it to sample just to play back librariies you purchase or make yourself.

Jim
No Kontakt is a full fledged sampler. And yes you can make your own samples using it. It will also convert almost all other sampler formats to its own.
As to the library. I think is a very good one with a good selection of very usable instruments.


I not sure what Jim was getting at exactly, I think he means you cannot sample directly into Kontakt. I have some of his Shabby Chic sample libraries for Kontakt, they are very good and he certainly knows how to build a Kontakt library.

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Re:Is there a sample player or sampler in X1 or 2 that plays the Kontakt samples? 2013/04/15 22:29:49 (permalink)
John,

As far as I know you can not use KONTAKT to record and edit samples.... you can program pre recorded and pre edited waves or other audio sound file formats but technically speaking it is not a sampler.  Unless they changed these features you still need another program to record and edit the one hit samples.

A true sampler allow you to record, edit and program the sound sets.  Kontakt only provides the programming of the pre recorded samples.

Now, if you believe that KONTAKT can do all three functions of creating samples, I am unaware of these features in KONTAKT.  I make some kontakt programs for sale and I need to use SOUNDFORGE to accomplish the recording and editing of the raw samples but then I use KONTAKT to lay them out so others can trigger them.

I don't mean to disagree with you but I believe a sampler needs to be able to accomplish the entire process of making sample programs, not just lay them out. As Glyn so gallantly stated, I think I know what I am doing but perhaps there are features in Kontakt that I am unaware exist?

Again, just my humble opinion.

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Re:Is there a sample player or sampler in X1 or 2 that plays the Kontakt samples? 2013/04/15 23:12:01 (permalink)
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John,

As far as I know you can not use KONTAKT to record and edit samples.... you can program pre recorded and pre edited waves or other audio sound file formats but technically speaking it is not a sampler.  Unless they changed these features you still need another program to record and edit the one hit samples.

A true sampler allow you to record, edit and program the sound sets.  Kontakt only provides the programming of the pre recorded samples.

Now, if you believe that KONTAKT can do all three functions of creating samples, I am unaware of these features in KONTAKT.  I make some kontakt programs for sale and I need to use SOUNDFORGE to accomplish the recording and editing of the raw samples but then I use KONTAKT to lay them out so others can trigger them.

I don't mean to disagree with you but I believe a sampler needs to be able to accomplish the entire process of making sample programs, not just lay them out. As Glyn so gallantly stated, I think I know what I am doing but perhaps there are features in Kontakt that I am unaware exist?

Again, just my humble opinion.

Jim
True you can not record but you can edit with Kontakt. It can edit the wave file and it can edit the layers and cut offs. The only thing it can not do is record. As you say it can also program. It can also make loops. 

Vsampler had the same abilities and without the ability to record. Heck I made my own instrument in Vsampler. A software sampler does not need the ability to record. 

The following is from the Kontakt Application Manual page 167.

17 The Wave Editor
In the previous chapters of this manual, we explained how you can use KONTAKT to turn
Sample files on your hard disk into playable Instruments
. A subject we have yet to touch,
though, is the question in which ways KONTAKT allows you to do anything on the Sample
level itself – building Zones, Groups and Instruments out of ready-made Samples is fine by
itself, but if you want to really get into creative sound design, you'll sooner or later want a
tool that lets you work directly on the waveform of your audio material. As you might have
guessed already, the Wave Editor is this tool.
Let's have a look at what you can do with it:
▪ View and audition Samples. This sounds trivial, but it's sometimes helpful to listen to a
Sample in its “raw”, untransposed form instead of playing it via the keyboard right
away. Also, there are some problems that that can be hard to spot by listening alone,
such as DC bias, inaccurate Sample starts, or excessively long silence at the end of
your Samples; such issues are easy to notice when you're looking at a graphic representation
of your waveform.
Create and edit loops. Ever since digital sampling became feasible, sound creators
have used looping as a means to render the maximum playable note length independent
from the actual sample length. In the days of sampling libraries that routinely exceed
the 10 GB mark, this might not be the predominant reason for looping Samples
anymore; KONTAKT's looping facilities go far beyond the traditional concepts,
though, and open up a whole range of creative sound design applications.
▪ Slice Zones. Slicing is a method that lets you deconstruct drum and percussion loops
or musical phrases into their rhythmic “atoms” and trigger these either from the outside
or using an internal sequencer. This makes it possible to change the tempo of a
drum loop or phrase without the sonic artifacts associated with conventional timestretching
algorithms. It also allows you to reconstruct your loops into entirely new
patterns and process their elements separately. As slicing your Zones provides KONTAKT
with information about their rhythmic structure, you can also align most selection
and processing operations to the rhythm pattern by making them snap to Slice
markers.
▪ Create and edit Zone Envelopes. Just like you can use envelope generators as a source
for parameter modulation on the Group level, KONTAKT also provides envelopes that
operate on separate Zones. The most striking aspect of Zone Envelopes, apart from
the added flexibility, is that you can edit them right on top of the Sample waveform;
this makes it possible to create precise automation curves in perfect sync to your audio
material.
▪ Perform destructive Sample editing. KONTAKT offers a range of operations that modify
your Samples permanently on the hard disk; this is useful for editing tasks that prepare
your Samples for smooth operation within KONTAKT, such as clean editing of
start and end positions, normalizing, fades, or removal of DC bias.


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Re:Is there a sample player or sampler in X1 or 2 that plays the Kontakt samples? 2013/04/15 23:14:30 (permalink)
the propellerhead packages do an awesome job of live sampling.  esp into KONG!

 
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Re:Is there a sample player or sampler in X1 or 2 that plays the Kontakt samples? 2013/04/16 06:49:49 (permalink)
John,

Not to mince words, Kontakt does allow you to manipulate wave files but not truly edit them.  The amount of time it takes to create the sample files for a Kontakt instrument (outside of Kontakt) far exceeds the time it takes to create a Kontakt program with said samples.

So, let's agree to disagree about Kontakt being a sampler since the source audio has to be created outside of Kontakt. 

But, I do think that KONTAKT is a wonderful program and I use it all the time (albeit with commercial sound libraries).

Jim

PS - another point that we disagree on is the quality of the factory instruments that Kontakt ships with... they are not bad but over the years, I have found that I don't have one GO TO Kontakt stock instrument for my project work.  To me, the freebies are there to demonstrate and to give new users a stock library so that their initial investment in their own libraries plus Kontakt doesn't put it out of budget for most home users.  With that logic, the library is very good to get you started but nothing in the library is stellar.  Now I have many commercial Kontakt libraries in my GOTO pile which replace the stock library same instrument.  This again, is opinion and the above is mine.

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