gustabo

cpkoch

gustabo
Frank's Midi Plug-Ins - the humanize one.
http://www.midi-plugins.de/
 

How does one install MIDI Plugin into SONAR Platinum.  It seems to want to install into CUBASE.
 

Don't check "Install VST Midi Plugins (supported by Cubase)"

I've tried that.   I must be somewhat dense but still find no plug-in that suggests I can use the "MIDI Plug-in". How does one access the feature?

There's a very easy way actually: hire an actual musician to play it for you! It might cost some to a lot of money but is FAR easier than trying to recreate the feeling of an actual player with your mouse. These days it's easier than ever....
 
R

I have to wonder, since eikelbijter (dickhead biter) has a profile showing him as Ricardo Belled living in California, if he has a Dutch background and knows what his handle means.

Funny after all everyone with any musical knowledge have said you still think a humaniser plug in will solve the problem. I love Craig's definition of feeding your computer alcohol. That's about it.
 

chuckebaby

eikelbijter
There's a very easy way actually: hire an actual musician to play it for you! It might cost some to a lot of money but is FAR easier than trying to recreate the feeling of an actual player with your mouse. These days it's easier than ever....
 
R

 
technology troubling you
 

eikelbijter
You know, for people who can actually play something in 1 take, without the need for editing and Frankensteining!
 
R

 
My projects are 90% real instruments, but I have no problems using technology to advance my craft.
We all started some where. the next generation is too.
Hiring someone is an undertaking. and to hire someone good, its expensive.
Good luck

I'm sure technology doesn't bother Rico in the least. That's not the issue - not sure why you mentioned it. The dude is a seriously good instrumentalist - I've heard him.
 
His answer is, in fact, quite a good one. You can hire/contract the services of good players for significantly less than you might think. I know for a fact that there are good players on many music forums that one can collaborate with for musical projects. Sure it takes effort, but then, so does making good music.
 
I'm also not sure what you mean by "my instruments are 90% real instruments...". Air drums, air keyboards, and air guitars are VERY difficult to record. Instruments are either acoustic, electric, or electronic. They are all "real".
 
Enjoy.

 

Cactus Music
Funny after all everyone with any musical knowledge have said you still think a humaniser plug in will solve the problem. I love Craig's definition of feeding your computer alcohol. That's about it.
 

I have read and shared the very good article  that Craig suggested. I don't have a problem per se.  I am simply trying to learn different means of using MIDI tracks and determine if they suit my needs.   

chuckebaby

eikelbijter
There's a very easy way actually: hire an actual musician to play it for you! It might cost some to a lot of money but is FAR easier than trying to recreate the feeling of an actual player with your mouse. These days it's easier than ever....
 
R

 
technology troubling you
 

eikelbijter
You know, for people who can actually play something in 1 take, without the need for editing and Frankensteining!
 
R

 
My projects are 90% real instruments, but I have no problems using technology to advance my craft.
We all started some where. the next generation is too.
Hiring someone is an undertaking. and to hire someone good, its expensive.
Good luck

 
I'm not troubled by tech at all, and as a matter of fact can Frankenstein and do with the best of them. Obviously the OP has problems and asked for an EASY way. Even for someone with tremendous skills, it's still easier to just record a competent musicians who doesn't need editing!
 
R

A good way  to make midi parts sound real , play the part on a good midi or ?  instrument.
Example play drum parts on a digital kit instead of drawing notes or poking at a keyboard.  
 
My first backing tracks I programmed my Roland 505 and then recorded the midi output to my Atari. 
I used those patterns as the basis of all my tracks. Talk about a machine drum part for you, 100%.. At first I didn't care and I don't think the punters noticed either. But is soon drove me bonkers. 
I soon bought a midi keyboard, A Poly 800, but it only output Velocity 64. 
Later I bought a Roland PC 100 and now I had velocity, so drums are starting to sound better. 
Now I have a Yamaha DX 450 kit and things took another jump in realism. 
Next would be a better digital kit which you can pretty much achieve close to real.  
Even if you suck as a drummer ( me)  you can just go for it and edit the results. 
 
 now the bass. 
I soon learned how to play bass parts on the Poly 800. I'm a bass player with a million hours stage time, My keyboard bass parts were far short of what I could actually play on a real bass. I slowly improved my chops but there that mechanical feel, all perfectly placed, quantizied and velocity 64. No soul. 
I bought a Roland GR50 guitar synth hoping to play bass to midi. It didn't really work as back then storage was an issue and the GR50 cranked out huge amounts of Controller data filling a floppy disk with only 3 songs! And you can't really play bass on guitar. 
Along comes Sonar and now I can record real Bass and just in the last year I discovered how to drag and drop that audio bass track to a midi track and we now have what you are wanting. A pretty authentic midi bass part. 
 
So there's one tip, grab yourself a $ 100 bass, It barley needs to work, Record the audio, drag to midi, edit and assign to SI Bass. You'll have a pretty convincing bass sound.  
 

gustabo

cpkoch
 
I've tried that.   I must be somewhat dense but still find no plug-in that suggests I can use the "MIDI Plug-in". How does one access the feature?

Don't use Simple Instrument Tracks and insert the plug in the fx bin of the midi track.
 

 
Or if you like Simple Instrument tracks (I do), open the Track Inspector, select Midi in the bottom tab and add midi FX into the bin from there.

c5_convertible

Sanderxpander

eikelbijter

Sanderxpander
I have to wonder, since eikelbijter (dickhead biter) has a profile showing him as Ricardo Belled living in California, if he has a Dutch background and knows what his handle means.

Maar natuurlijk Sander de Expander! Geboren en getogen in Nederland, woon sinds 1992 in L.A.!
En trouwens, een eikel is gewoon van de eikenboom, toch?

Groet,
R

Ha ok, dat is al een hele tijd. Ik zou niet zo snel aan een eikenboom denken bij die naam, maar dat kan natuurlijk ook aan één of andere mentale afwijking mijnerzijds liggen :)

Dus eigenlijk gewoon een eekhoorn :)

Da's het enige dat ik publiekelijk zal toegeven!
 
Woon je zelf in NL?
 
R

Something interesting to  check out:

VeloScaler v1.05

VeloScaler is a VST plugin for controlling and modifying the velocity value of incoming MIDI notes. Use up to 5 different bands, filtered on either the incoming velocity or the MIDI note number. You can set a minimum and maximum value for each band, and scale the velocity by a specified percentage, which can be randomized. This will create interesting variations if your destination instrument is set to respond to velocity.

System Requirements

Windows XP/Vista/7/8/10. VST2 compatible 32-bit or 64-bit host.

License

This plugin is free to use for commercial or non-commercial use, but is copyrighted and cannot be distributed without permission.

Download & Installation

Click "Download", open the downloaded zip file and extract the dll file to your VST plugin folder (VeloScaler32.dll if you use a 32-bit host, or VeloScaler.dll if you use a 64-bit host).
 
 http://www.codefn42.com/veloscaler/index.html

OK that changes things a bit. I download midi files a lot. And 90% are terrible. They seem to be re circulated and re edited over and over by in my opinion people with bad taste or no musical background. 
 
Most I think are generated on a Home Keyboard sequencer or buy miss using Band in a box. 
 
You do get lucky from time to time and can tell right away if the sequence was made by a person with actual talent. 
I just look for god drum parts which is the hardest to find. Drums are often loops and you can spot BIAB loops by the stupid rolls that are always off time. The drums are often the wrong groove for the song.
The guitar parts are often a joke too. Wheezy saxs pretending to be BU vocals?  Piano parts are sometimes the best part of the sequence so I often keep those. Anyhow, most download midi files are not worth the bother to fix. 
I will look and have bookmarked many midi sites and if I get lucky I will take that sequence and fix it up. If not,it's faster to make my own. 
But if this is what your talking about I totally see what you are getting at. 
 
 

Studioguy1

Something interesting to  check out:

VeloScaler v1.05

VeloScaler is a VST plugin for controlling and modifying the velocity value of incoming MIDI notes. Use up to 5 different bands, filtered on either the incoming velocity or the MIDI note number. You can set a minimum and maximum value for each band, and scale the velocity by a specified percentage, which can be randomized. This will create interesting variations if your destination instrument is set to respond to velocity.

System Requirements

Windows XP/Vista/7/8/10. VST2 compatible 32-bit or 64-bit host.

License

This plugin is free to use for commercial or non-commercial use, but is copyrighted and cannot be distributed without permission.

Download & Installation

Click "Download", open the downloaded zip file and extract the dll file to your VST plugin folder (VeloScaler32.dll if you use a 32-bit host, or VeloScaler.dll if you use a 64-bit host).
 
 http://www.codefn42.com/veloscaler/index.html

I've downloaded and tried to install VeloScaler but when I try to access it from Platinum, it shows up nowhere .... VST2, VST3, Instruments, Plugins,   Insert Soft Synths etc etc.  I had the same problem accessing Frank's MIDI Plugins.  I know it is something simple but I am stumped!  

eikelbijter

c5_convertible

Sanderxpander

eikelbijter

Sanderxpander
I have to wonder, since eikelbijter (dickhead biter) has a profile showing him as Ricardo Belled living in California, if he has a Dutch background and knows what his handle means.

Maar natuurlijk Sander de Expander! Geboren en getogen in Nederland, woon sinds 1992 in L.A.!
En trouwens, een eikel is gewoon van de eikenboom, toch?

Groet,
R

Ha ok, dat is al een hele tijd. Ik zou niet zo snel aan een eikenboom denken bij die naam, maar dat kan natuurlijk ook aan één of andere mentale afwijking mijnerzijds liggen :)

Dus eigenlijk gewoon een eekhoorn :)

Da's het enige dat ik publiekelijk zal toegeven!
 
Woon je zelf in NL?
 
R

Ik woon in België.

Click "Download", open the downloaded zip file and extract the dll file to your VST plugin folder (VeloScaler32.dll if you use a 32-bit host, or VeloScaler.dll if you use a 64-bit host).
 

I have a 64 BIT machine and have loaded the VeloScaler.dll into the  Programs/Cakewalk/VSTPLugins folder as a single file as per the instructions.  Having done this I still can not access the program.  It shows up nowhere  in the plug- in manager.  It shows up nowhere when I do a computer search on my Windows 10 machine.  As suggested before I AM STUMPED!
 
Found my error.  Wrong Default Drive

post edited by cpkoch - 2017/04/22 02:36:14