Is there a way to map a midi controller to perform tap tempo?

OT: Just play it freestyle like you wanna then drag your audio track to the timeline to make sonar conform a tempo map and grid to your playing.

It works in TH3 on certain plugins. Check the Global Midi Bindings Section under the Midi drop-down.
 
Idk if the suits you. It's not the same as tapping the tempo of the project. that would be a nice trick.

bitman
OT: Just play it freestyle like you wanna then drag your audio track to the timeline to make sonar conform a tempo map and grid to your playing.

I want to play to a drum track for most of my stuff, but this is a helpful tip and I'll experiment with it - thank you!

Some sort of clock device or indeed use sonar to react to the mtc in some way.

It was a half-thought. Sorry on my phone.

smallstonefan
Sorry guys, let me be more clear.
 
Say I'm jamming on guitar and I dial my delay in just where I like it so I am playing rhythmically with my delay. Say it's an analog delay like my Echoplex so there is no firm temp indicator anywhere.
 
I want to tap a foot switch on the Behringer to set the tempo of the project to match what I'm playing - so I that when I start recording (another footswitch) the drums etc of the project are playing at the tempo I want to record at.
 

If you have any audio in your project at all, SONAR wants to sync to audio. Period. Softsynths are considered audio, whether or not they are frozen, or bounced. In other words, Midi Time Clock will ONLY work in an ALL MIDI (external sound modules, or virtual midi loop drivers to external soft synths) project. I wasted money on a Midi Clock to do just what you are looking to do.
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Syncing-Sonar-tempo-to-match-external-MIDI-clock-m2976288-p2.aspx
Ultimately, Bitman's solution above, to play free-tempo, then create a tempo map after the fact (with all the associated hurdles) is the best answer I have found.

It would be a nice addition AZslow.
I find myself tapping that thing quite a bit trying to find out tempos for new ideas.
I have Mackie control personally so im guessing I could probably map it with my foot switches ?
 
He is using a Behringer foot controller but I don't think he mentioned if he is using your plug in.

azslow that sounds like an interesting idea! I have a Mackie with extender - would it be mapping something there or would your drivers work with the Behringer?
 
I'm a bit surprised this is so hard to do. With Ableton Push they have a button AND a knob so you can change temps in real-time very easily...
 

chuckebaby
It would be a nice addition AZslow.
I find myself tapping that thing quite a bit trying to find out tempos for new ideas.
I have Mackie control personally so im guessing I could probably map it with my foot switches ?

Unfortunately it will not work with Mackie control, asking two plug-ins to work with one device is looking for big troubles...
 

smallstonefan
azslow that sounds like an interesting idea! I have a Mackie with extender - would it be mapping something there or would your drivers work with the Behringer?

With Behringer. But from the previous comment, AZ Controller should be THE ONLY Control Surface plug-in working with it. So if you use "ACT MIDI" or "Generic Surface", you will need to remove it... No so bad, AZ Controller can do everything these plug-ins can do (and much more), but you will have to write me what you need (f.e. you have mentioned "record" already).
 
I do not have any surface right now, so I will publish the preset later (after checking it works).
 

I'm a bit surprised this is so hard to do. With Ableton Push they have a button AND a knob so you can change temps in real-time very easily...

I can implement many "workarounds" using AZ Controller, but Sonar itself is not in my hands...

chuckebaby

smallstonefan
 
I'm a bit surprised this is so hard to do. With Ableton Push they have a button AND a knob so you can change temps in real-time very easily...
 

 
Ahhh, The old, this is so basic why cant it be done in Sonar.
 
And what about vocal comping or take lanes in Ableton Push ?
They are absent. Im sure you would agree those are very basic features.
what one tool does, another might not.
 

I'd say Tap Tempo is a bit more basic than take lanes - but take lanes are one reason I'm trying to come back to Sonar! :)

smallstonefan
I'd say Tap Tempo is a bit more basic than take lanes - but take lanes are one reason I'm trying to come back to Sonar! :)

Well to be fair, SONAR does have tap tempo; it just doesn't have tap tempo with a MIDI remote control option. However, there was a company at Summer NAMM that plans to make a stompable mouse for controlling computer things from a footswitch...seems like that would do it for you if it comes to fruition.

FWIW, an alternative to tapping tempo that I prefer:
 
- Disable Stop at Project End in Track View Options if it isn't already so you can run the transport in an empty project.
- Start playback with no click sounding, count off a couple-few measures in your head, and stop the transport on the next downbeat.
- Shift+M to open Set Measure/Beat At Now, and enter that measure and beat.
- SONAR will set the initial tempo to make the specified beat fall on the absolute Now time where you stopped the transport.
 
 

Azslow this is really cool, but if I understand your earlier post I can't use it because I am using a Mackie MCU and a Mackie XT in addition to the Behringer FCB1010 which is used in ACT mode.
 
Correct?
 
PS: I'm continually amazed at what you accomplish - well done! :)

smallstonefan
Azslow this is really cool, but if I understand your earlier post I can't use it because I am using a Mackie MCU and a Mackie XT in addition to the Behringer FCB1010 which is used in ACT mode.
 
Correct?

You can not use it with Mackie, since I can not switch off functionality of original plug-in, so when used with two, the same control will have duplicated reaction in Sonar.
 
But you can use in with 1010, even in parallel with "ACT MIDI":
* insert AZ Controller AFTER "ACT MIDI" (that is important)
* in the AZ Controller, after loading "Tap tempo" preset (so the following modification is not reset), in the "Options" tab change "Block assigned messages" to "Block all channel messages". Then you are on safe side (controls assigned in "ACT MIDI" will not leak into MIDI tracks, in fact all MIDI from 1010 will not leak...).
* do not use the same button in AZ Controller and ACT (for already mentioned reason).
 
But in general AZ Controller can do everything ACT can (if you have time, read my "ACT MIDI Explained") and (much) more. The only problem is configure it, that is harder then with ACT (the flexibility has its price).
 

PS: I'm continually amazed at what you accomplish - well done! :)

It is always fun to make interesting mods ;)