Is there any way to "hollow out" the middle of a song (edited )

Hey, I have no idea if there is a such way to do this, i want to EQ just the middle of a song to jam VOX there. does this make sense?

Try a track envelope for your EQ and adjust your parameters accordingly.

ORIGINAL: Sylvan

It sounds like you want to use "Automation". This is what I would do:

I would take my EQ and enable Automation. Then I would adjust my Now Time to the beginning of the song. Then I would take a "Snapshot" of the automation armed EQ.

Then I would adjust the Now Time to the middle of the song that you want to "hollow out" as you say. I would find the EQ setting I am looking for. Re-adjust the Now Time to the beginning of the middle part you want to hollow out. Then take a new snapshot of the armed EQ there.

Then adjust the Now Time to the end of that part, reset the EQ the way it was, take another snapshot and then disarm Automation.

Does this makes sense? Is this what you are asking?

ORIGINAL: AV_Matt

Hey, I have no idea if there is a such way to do this, i want to EQ just the middle of a song to jam VOX there. does this make sense?

hmmm i dont know if this is what i am asking... it would be better to draw a picture, i'll be back in a bit with one.

What else do you have competing in "the red section"? Can you just move a few of those elements out to the side a bit? Things like bass guitar, kick and snare that are usually centered shouldn't be causeing EQ issues with a vocal if they are right, it's only those other middle range things, like guitar, piano, keys, etc that will be eating the same spectrum.

This may be as much an arrangement question as a mixing one.

Sounds to me like what you need is a stereo widener. If you have at least Sonar 3, then you should have the Phase plug in the Sonitus suite. This would help do what you want. The weakness of this approach is that it works on the whole spectrum...

So the next step would be something like Izotope Ozone (which has a lot of other great features), or a Waves bundle with a Stereo widener. You could also use PLParEQ3 in MS mode if you picked up the free download while they had it available. These would allow you to widen the frequencies you care about with the vox (especially 3-5 k for clarity) and leave your lows alone (keeping them down the middle.)

If you don't have these plugs, you can fake this effect by doing the following:

1. Send the output of your track to an output that won't go anywhere.
2. Use two (or three) effects sends to send the track to aux busses.
3. Route these Aux busses to another "Master" aux bus.

Now you're done routing...

For the effects...

1. Use a High Pass filter (EQ) on one bus and a Low Pass filter (EQ) on the other. (If working with more than two sends, you'll need a combination of these filters for the mid-frequency sends.) This allows you to isolate the frequencies you're going to effect with the widener.

(NOTE: You could theoretically use either Linear Phase or non-linear phase EQ (if your EQ isn't touting the fact it is Linear Phase, then it is not.) Linear-phase EQ preserves the stereo image, but doesn't work as well with transients. The non LP EQ's are better with transients, but screw with Stereo Image. Since you're going to mess with the Stereo Image anyway, I'd opt for a non LP EQ for starters. If the image smears too much after all the processing, try an LP EQ.)

2. After the EQ, insert a Sonitus Phase effect. Yo'll want to use the "Width" control.

Bouncing a mix like this should give the result you're looking for.

Peace,

Bingo.

What i am really asking for is to EQ the middle section of a stereo spread, not necessarily remove the middle or widen the mix.


EDIT: you know you like my drawing, 4 years in graphic design school.

**** - dont start using wideners FFS - you'll end up with all sorts of problems and start wondering why on some systems you can't hear any vocals, bass or drums at all.


What you want is a program called MSED which is free and available from voxengo.

This allows you to lower the mid channel just a few DB to allow your vocals to pop out in there - but I have to say this is a band aid. It sounds to me like you need to re-think your mix.

Kind regards

Dave Rich

i cant remix. i dont want to EQ the entire mix, i dont want to pan anything, maybe no one gets what i am asking, i guess im thinking more 3d and i should code a 3d EQ where you can EQ where ever and what ever freq you want, not just left and right but in a 3d environment.