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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/08/09 01:24:22 (permalink)
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Loom is really special, and takes such a different approach to synthesis, that even if you are already familiar with dozens of subtractive synths, this one makes a noob of everyone, LOL!
 
I really like watching the partials on the Morph page!  It's like a digital Lava Lamp!
 
Turn down the lights, grab a drink, and have fun! 




Big ole +1 - the partials are a winner.  
 
But it's actually additive, not subtractive, which I think is the main reason it sounds and behaves different than most other synths.  There's something "transparent" yet edgy that I really like.
 

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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/08/09 01:59:11 (permalink)
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But it's actually additive, not subtractive, which I think is the main reason it sounds and behaves different than most other synths.  There's something "transparent" yet edgy that I really like.




Um, yeah, I realize that.  I was making a comparison in switching from the workflow of a subtractive synth to that of an additive synth.  Perhaps I should have chosen my words more carefully. 

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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/10/12 13:35:33 (permalink)
Hi Guys
 
Its now live at our website hope you enjoy :)
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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/10/12 14:42:50 (permalink)
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Hi Guys
 
Its now live at our website hope you enjoy :)




Hey, thanks for the heads up Simon!  Looks interesting!
 
Is this the first of many updated AIR instruments to come, or a one-off?  Just curious because I have the entire AIR collection. 
 
I also just recently got into Akai VIP 3.0, so any info about VIP compatibility for Loom II, as well as updated VIP patch maps would be a plus!  VIP is working great with the original AIR instruments.

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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/10/12 14:44:26 (permalink)
We have a number more planned and hope to release these over the next few months :)
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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/10/12 15:11:29 (permalink)
Just a warning, the trial for version 2 overwrites version 1.  Not very happy about that.  Isn't resizeable either (I wasn't sure so I decided to try the trial version).  I bet I'm going to have to uninstall it and reinstall the old one.  Seems to have stuck all my old presets (inlcuding the Tapestry expansion) under "Loom 1 Legacy"  I wonder if I install Loom 1 again if I can go back but not loose the presets?
 

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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/10/12 15:14:41 (permalink)
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Just a warning, the trial for version 2 overwrites version 1.  Not very happy about that.  Isn't resizeable either (I wasn't sure so I decided to try the trial version).  I bet I'm going to have to uninstall it and reinstall the old one.  Seems to have stuck all my old presets (inlcuding the Tapestry expansion) under "Loom 1 Legacy"  I wonder if I install Loom 1 again if I can go back but not loose the presets?
 



It wont hurt any user presets or expansions :)
2 will over write use the same ID's as one to avoid breaking any existing projects.
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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/10/12 15:29:35 (permalink)
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Isn't resizeable either (I wasn't sure so I decided to try the trial version).  




Yup, that is a biggie for me!  Was hoping for that as well as an updated patch browser.  The AIR instruments are all very nice, but they REALLY need to improve those areas to get them up to date with the newer instruments out there.

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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/10/12 15:39:44 (permalink)
For some reason all my Air instruments keep losing the presets. I have to re-install to get them back. I have lost them 3 times now. It is to the point that I don't re-install Loom, Xpand and some others. While Loom looks really powerful, I haven't taken the time to really learn it so it is low on my re-install priorities.

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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/10/12 15:46:48 (permalink)
Seems kind of buggy.  After going through maybe 20-30 presets it no longer would let me switch back to the morph mode (I pressed the button and it lit up but the UI wouldn't change).  It crashed shortly later.  I've uninstalled it, I don't have the energy to fight another crashing soft synth.  Now I have to find (or download) the version 1 installer to get back I guess. 
 
On my 4096x2160 31" monitor the existing Loom UI is painful.  They also didn't add drag and drop reordering of modules, which along with resizing, weren't unreasonable version 2 requests.  The new Spectral Noise and Subharmonics do seem pretty nice, but not $50 upgrade nice.  Had they added resizing UI and drag and drop module reordering I could see upgrading, but as it stands now, I think I'm going to hold off.
 

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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/10/12 15:55:37 (permalink)
It looks like Loom 1 stores it's presets in the C:\Program Files (x86)\AIR Music Technology\Loom\Presets which for most users is going to cause all kinds of security issues, since Windows doesn't let you write to that location and will play all kinds of crazy shadow directory games.  Loom 2 looks like they moved the presets to %programdata% (which is usually c:\ProgramData) which might work a bit better, but is still not how apps should work (they should be using %appdata%).
 
Good news though, I uninstalled Loom 2 and downloaded and re-installed Loom 1 and everything is back how it was.  (well except for the 15 day trial license on my ilok).
 

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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/10/12 17:02:47 (permalink)
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For some reason all my Air instruments keep losing the presets. I have to re-install to get them back. I have lost them 3 times now. It is to the point that I don't re-install Loom, Xpand and some others. While Loom looks really powerful, I haven't taken the time to really learn it so it is low on my re-install priorities.




Losing presets doesn't sound normal.  I run stock Windows 10 Pro (x64) as Administrator with UAC enabled, and have never had that happen.  It may be some sort of local account permission issue as msorrels pointed to.  But the intrigue continues in my following comments ...
 
I install all 64-bit VST plugins (including AIR) in "C:\Program Files\VstPlugIns".  I install AIR sample content on my data drive at "D:\Air Music Technology".
 
Now here's the weird part >> I found all of my AIR factory presets in my Program Files (x86) path, even for my 64-bit AIR plugins.  There is a sub-folder for each of them in here >> "C:\Program Files (x86)\AIR Music Technology"
 
Maybe it's my fault for letting it install here at some point, but it works, and I'm not going to mess with it.  Apparently some scheme to let the 32-bit and 64-bit plugs share presets, MIDI assignments and such.  There is nothing in my VST path except the .dll's themselves, no presets, nothing.

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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/10/12 17:08:30 (permalink)
You don't get to pick where AIR installs the presets, only the samples (for instruments that have samples/content).  Most of the older AIR instruments stuff presets in the 32-bit program files dir.

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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/10/12 17:14:06 (permalink)
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You don't get to pick where AIR installs the presets, only the samples (for instruments that have samples/content).  Most of the older AIR instruments stuff presets in the 32-bit program files dir.




Been over a year since I installed, so I couldn't recall for sure. Perhaps DrLumen has done something that blocks the plugin access to the 32-bit Program Files folder?

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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/10/12 17:39:39 (permalink)
saw an email / upgrade price, not impressed with the price (vs other vendors for upgrades).. and if I know other things are getting updated? I'll play the waiting game and get an upgrade as a bundle instead.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/10/12 21:29:50 (permalink)
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You don't get to pick where AIR installs the presets, only the samples (for instruments that have samples/content).  Most of the older AIR instruments stuff presets in the 32-bit program files dir.




Been over a year since I installed, so I couldn't recall for sure. Perhaps DrLumen has done something that blocks the plugin access to the 32-bit Program Files folder?


I'm not sure what the deal is. I'll go to use one and it only shows the default and won't let me select any others. Strangely the defaults works fine. Maybe that is the demo mode or something. I'll check the paths and ownership. Thanks for the tips!

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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/10/13 00:13:12 (permalink)
Loom (one) was pretty special, so I’m quite interested in Loom II, hoping AIR will also update Vacuum Pro and Velvet.

Point n'est besoin d'entreprendre pour espérer, ni de persévérer pour réussir.
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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/10/13 02:22:39 (permalink)
Loom II is taking quite a beating over at KVR.  Just sayin...

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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/10/13 08:35:09 (permalink)
Yep. Upgrade price blues. ‘Tis the season.

Point n'est besoin d'entreprendre pour espérer, ni de persévérer pour réussir.
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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/10/13 12:28:37 (permalink)
FWIW, I checked the paths and permissions. The directory structures for all the synths exist but the preset folders are missing from some (very likely the ones I didn't reload after the last loss). Deleting them is not something I would have done nor would any windows process be so selective. I'm thinking some defective anti-piracy thing is at play.
 
I like some of the instruments but I'm certainly not masochistic to continue to fight with little used synths. For that matter, I see no reason to 'upgrade'.
 
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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/10/13 13:15:13 (permalink)

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