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2017/08/04 16:28:52 (permalink)

Is this AIR Loom II ???

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Loom II and Transfuser II demo

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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/08/04 16:48:01 (permalink)
Nice find!

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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/08/04 17:31:26 (permalink)
Very nice sounding.

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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/08/04 17:42:23 (permalink)
To me it sure does sound like Loom and Transfuser.   I've used Transfuser minimally, but Loom is definitely a favorite of mine - it's just "different" from anything else I have.  Not to mention the entertainment factor when watching the partials jump and down.  

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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/08/04 19:02:09 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2017/08/04 21:48:34
AIR seems to be running a public beta for a product refresh over at KVR, according to Simon Bangs, product manager.  :-)
https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=265&t=484980&start=15
 
Regarding the resizing the UI artwork, etc., in another thread Simon says:
https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=265&t=464819
 
"We are currently solely working on modernized GUI implementations with full HiDPI support this will be the basis of the next free .8 update. This requires all the artwork to be rerendered in higher resolutions which is a major undertaking."
 
"I just want you to know this isn't forgotten and is in progress.
It does however require a complete replacement of the current UI and frameworks, which is a major undertaking.
We have paused releasing other products to focus on this."

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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/08/04 21:52:42 (permalink)
Whatever that is that clips sounds very nice .
 
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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/08/06 10:56:14 (permalink)
Nice find abacab. Looking forward to the update.
I have been using Loom, Transfuser and Hybrid a lot so any updates (especially free) would be welcome.
 
One thing that irks me slightly with these Air plugins is that whenever I use them on a project whichever preset I have selected gets saved as the preset - 1 (or maybe + 1, can't remember exactly). So when I load the project I have to remember to select the preset next to the one that gets loaded. Anyone else notice this or have a solution?
 
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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/08/06 16:26:09 (permalink)
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Nice find abacab. Looking forward to the update.
I have been using Loom, Transfuser and Hybrid a lot so any updates (especially free) would be welcome.
 
One thing that irks me slightly with these Air plugins is that whenever I use them on a project whichever preset I have selected gets saved as the preset - 1 (or maybe + 1, can't remember exactly). So when I load the project I have to remember to select the preset next to the one that gets loaded. Anyone else notice this or have a solution?
 




I really like Loom and Hybrid.  I need to spend as bit more time with Transfuser,  I have watched quite a few videos on it so I realize it is deep and can do a lot, but I just haven't mastered the workflow yet.  Maybe the larger UI will help a bit!
 
I have never had a plugin saved with a project resume with its preset offset +/- 1, including those from AIR. 
 
I have had a few other plugins that either cannot resume with the saved preset at all, or even if they have saved the settings, no longer displayed the saved preset name.  But those were known issues that seem to affect all users.  Sometimes it was a matter of the bug being in the VST2 vs. VST3 version of a plug.
 
So I can't imagine what would cause that, unless you have some unexpected MIDI event sending a patch change event somewhere. 
 
I have noticed that AIR instruments such as Xpand!2, Hybrid, and Loom respond to MIDI patch change events.  I first observed this when I was trying to play some old general MIDI files with Xpand!2, and the presets I selected kept switching on playback.  I guess when you are working with a GM synth you need to set up your instrument sounds at the beginning of your sequence.

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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/08/06 16:59:49 (permalink)
Thanks for the reply abacab.
Yeah the same thing happens with presets in XPand!2 so it seems to be an Air bug/feature.
I have looked but never found any extraneous MIDI messages being sent to the plugins so it remains a mystery for now.
 
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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/08/06 17:03:44 (permalink)
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Thanks for the reply abacab.
Yeah the same thing happens with presets in XPand!2 so it seems to be an Air bug/feature.
I have looked but never found any extraneous MIDI messages being sent to the plugins so it remains a mystery for now.
 




Have you tried the plugins in another DAW?  Is the problem isolated to Sonar only?

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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/08/06 17:11:21 (permalink)
Good point and actually I haven't tried it in any other DAWs.
I have a few that I can give it a go with - Studio One Pro, Cubase Elements 9, Mixbus 4 and Reaper.
Too many DAWs and not enough time, that's my problem. In fairness it says a lot about Sonar as I keep coming back to it as a stable and feature packed platform.
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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/08/06 17:22:07 (permalink)
Well if it's just Sonar, then maybe it needs a liitle "refresh", as in a clean re-install.  No telling what these frequent upgrades over top of upgrades could be leaving behind ... not that I'm against the constant improvements, but just sayin ... 

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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/08/07 08:17:07 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby ZincTrumpet 2017/08/07 10:07:47
Hi Guys,
 
Can confirm something very cool is brewing currently :)
 
There are some maintenance updates, also a major new version of Loom on the way and perhaps some other surprises.
We believe users of Loom should be very happy as almost all feature/improvement requests have been implemented.
More official details to be available closer to launch.
 
All the best
 
Simon @ AIR
 
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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/08/07 10:08:04 (permalink)
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Hi Guys,
 
Can confirm something very cool is brewing currently :)
 
There are some maintenance updates, also a major new version of Loom on the way and perhaps some other surprises.
We believe users of Loom should be very happy as almost all feature/improvement requests have been implemented.
More official details to be available closer to launch.
 
All the best
 
Simon @ AIR
 




Thanks Simon, looking forward to the updates! 
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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/08/07 10:10:16 (permalink)
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Well if it's just Sonar, then maybe it needs a liitle "refresh", as in a clean re-install.  No telling what these frequent upgrades over top of upgrades could be leaving behind ... not that I'm against the constant improvements, but just sayin ... 




Know what you mean abacab, but it also does the same in my Windows 10 installation which is about as fresh an install as you can get (must get round to migrating completely one day).
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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/08/07 12:32:32 (permalink)
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Hi Guys,
 
Can confirm something very cool is brewing currently :)
 
There are some maintenance updates, also a major new version of Loom on the way and perhaps some other surprises.
We believe users of Loom should be very happy as almost all feature/improvement requests have been implemented.
More official details to be available closer to launch.
 
All the best
 
Simon @ AIR
 

Great news indeed!

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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/08/07 12:52:38 (permalink)
I'm also looking forward to the "cool brew". I was playing with Loom yesterday (via Midi Guitar) and just jamming with some funk/jazz backing tracks....was impressed with a lot of the Loom patches.
 
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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/08/07 13:44:35 (permalink)
sbangsair
Hi Guys,
 
Can confirm something very cool is brewing currently :)
 
There are some maintenance updates, also a major new version of Loom on the way and perhaps some other surprises.
We believe users of Loom should be very happy as almost all feature/improvement requests have been implemented.
More official details to be available closer to launch.
 
All the best
 
Simon @ AIR
 




Appreciate the update!

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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/08/07 13:47:14 (permalink)
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Well if it's just Sonar, then maybe it needs a liitle "refresh", as in a clean re-install.  No telling what these frequent upgrades over top of upgrades could be leaving behind ... not that I'm against the constant improvements, but just sayin ... 




Know what you mean abacab, but it also does the same in my Windows 10 installation which is about as fresh an install as you can get (must get round to migrating completely one day).




Well then, one suspect left could be a corruption in the Sonar project file.  I assume that is where the plugin settings all get stored.

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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/08/07 14:09:18 (permalink)
Oh oh, Abacab is assuming........

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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/08/07 15:16:34 (permalink)
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Oh oh, Abacab is assuming........




LOL... gonna keep me on my toes, huh?
 
That statement was too general, but was made in the scope of the discussion about presets in a plugin shifting by one place when reopening a Sonar project.
 
If you insert a plugin, and select a preset, that is stored with the project data. The project should reopen with the same preset selected, unless there is something wrong with either the plugin, or the project settings.
 
I realize that there are other plugin settings that can be made within the plugin UI that can be stored in various dedicated plugin folders, but that is not what we were discussing.

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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/08/07 15:22:36 (permalink)
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Oh oh, Abacab is assuming........




LOL... gonna keep me on my toes, huh?
 
That statement was too general, but was made in the scope of the discussion about presets in a plugin shifting by one place when reopening a Sonar project.
 
If you insert a plugin, and select a preset, that is stored with the project data. The project should reopen with the same preset selected, unless there is something wrong with either the plugin, or the project settings.
 
I realize that there are other plugin settings that can be made within the plugin UI that can be stored in various dedicated plugin folders, but that is not what we were discussing.


Yes sir.....been following your convo as well.
I haven't got further than just jamming with Loom, so I'm assuming it's time I should start recording with it soon....

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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/08/07 15:36:34 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2017/08/07 15:47:24
Mesh
 
I haven't got further than just jamming with Loom, so I'm assuming it's time I should start recording with it soon....




Loom is still a work in progress for me too.  I have had the entire AIR collection for almost a year now, and it has been a learning curve.  Can't seem to swallow the whole thing in one bite.  Quite a feast!
 
Loom is really special, and takes such a different approach to synthesis, that even if you are already familiar with dozens of subtractive synths, this one makes a noob of everyone, LOL!
 
I really like watching the partials on the Morph page!  It's like a digital Lava Lamp!
 
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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/08/07 15:39:10 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2017/08/07 15:47:21
And this Loom expansion pack is still free.  Grab it if you don't have it already, there are some really cool presets in here!
 
http://www.airmusictech.com/expansions/view/tapestry-for-loom
 
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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/08/07 17:25:28 (permalink)
Cheers abacab and yes I can see the logic in your assumption.
Some kind of .cwp header reader/interpreter would be useful to see what information is stored (I bet the developers have one somewhere). 
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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/08/07 19:13:50 (permalink)
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Cheers abacab and yes I can see the logic in your assumption.
Some kind of .cwp header reader/interpreter would be useful to see what information is stored (I bet the developers have one somewhere). 




Well this doesn't exactly drill down into the bits and bytes of a .cwp, but it's still pretty cool.
 
It lets you view your project notes, see what tracks are in your project as well as what plugins, and you can even preview the audio files, all without opening the project.
 
You can preview all projects in your folder by single clicking on them, and by double clicking opens it in Sonar.
 
ProjectScope helps find CWPs and keeps them organized
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/ProjectScope-helps-find-CWPs-and-keeps-them-organized-updated-to-quotProducer-Editionquot-m3218609.aspx
 

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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/08/07 21:09:08 (permalink)
Thank you Simon the AIR guy. Always grateful when a real product guy shows up with the 411.

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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/08/07 21:09:32 (permalink)
And I also am a Loom fan.

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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/08/07 22:57:47 (permalink)
Useful, thanks abacab!
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Re: Is this AIR Loom II ??? 2017/08/08 16:47:36 (permalink)
Looking forward to the new GUI's.  I've pretty much held off on using the AIR Complete package in depth until it gets a facelift.

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