brconflict

Muziekschuur at home


What is NOT working in X2A? X2A was an amazing update and a great gift to us Cakewalk Sonar customers. As we we are now able to use touch screens. Where that functionality was not there in X2 and not really asked for. We got an awesome bonus and means X2 is quite future proof... So I am not quite grasping where the X2B is needed for?

I think you may just be one of the fortunate ones that hasn't run into any problems, or probably utilize the power of X2 in other areas more than users like me. If you peruse the forum, you can quickly find people having issues that go unexplained, and the worst thing about many of these issues is that a majority of them aren't always reproduce-able. This means that the bug-submission form Cakewalk requires doesn't really encompass bugs that people find and can't recall the steps, or can't get it to happen again while trying to reproduce such issues.

Like I said, Sonar is VERY powerful in all it can do, and looking at the competition, it still wins me over, even though there's features in others I'd pay money for if they could be brought into Sonar. But all that power quickly is foreshadowed when you run into bugs or issues that Support can't work out or that you can't reliably reproduce.

X2 feels like a solid DAW, but with some new code that drops the ball fast when it breaks. I fear this is exactly what X2b will be like: more features, and less bug fixes. I also fear Take Lanes won't get much love from the bakers, either. But I don't know. They don't indicate anything either way until the next update comes out and I read the "fixed" portion of the Readme. I'm nearly always disappointed by what wasn't addressed. 

you have a very fair enough complaint.
and I agree with you on somethings.
what are the actual bugs that you think, drop the ball?
im not asking for all of them, but in your opinion, the three, that really interrupt your work flow ?
being totally serious here,
 
ive been another one of the very lucky ones to be having great success with it.
id like to think I use a lot of its features as well.
 
honestly do feel for you though.
 
and in no way is this me trying to justify my work flow is great and your is not.
that could be me in your shoes. I think you've explained it fair enough

chuckebaby

brconflict

Muziekschuur at home


What is NOT working in X2A? X2A was an amazing update and a great gift to us Cakewalk Sonar customers. As we we are now able to use touch screens. Where that functionality was not there in X2 and not really asked for. We got an awesome bonus and means X2 is quite future proof... So I am not quite grasping where the X2B is needed for?

I think you may just be one of the fortunate ones that hasn't run into any problems, or probably utilize the power of X2 in other areas more than users like me. If you peruse the forum, you can quickly find people having issues that go unexplained, and the worst thing about many of these issues is that a majority of them aren't always reproduce-able. This means that the bug-submission form Cakewalk requires doesn't really encompass bugs that people find and can't recall the steps, or can't get it to happen again while trying to reproduce such issues.

Like I said, Sonar is VERY powerful in all it can do, and looking at the competition, it still wins me over, even though there's features in others I'd pay money for if they could be brought into Sonar. But all that power quickly is foreshadowed when you run into bugs or issues that Support can't work out or that you can't reliably reproduce.

X2 feels like a solid DAW, but with some new code that drops the ball fast when it breaks. I fear this is exactly what X2b will be like: more features, and less bug fixes. I also fear Take Lanes won't get much love from the bakers, either. But I don't know. They don't indicate anything either way until the next update comes out and I read the "fixed" portion of the Readme. I'm nearly always disappointed by what wasn't addressed. 

you have a very fair enough complaint.
and I agree with you on somethings.
what are the actual bugs that you think, drop the ball?
im not asking for all of them, but in your opinion, the three, that really interrupt your work flow ?
being totally serious here,
 
ive been another one of the very lucky ones to be having great success with it.
id like to think I use a lot of its features as well.
 
honestly do feel for you though.
 
and in no way is this me trying to justify my work flow is great and your is not.
that could be me in your shoes. I think you've explained it fair enough

Thanks! What seems to happen for me the most is, Clip Views aren't updating to the correct View when I change them from Automation vs. Clips. Sometimes Take Lane's will paste into the wrong Take Lane when editing (I figured a workaround, but it's really odd); importing data into a Take Lane imports only into the first lane, which is really a carryover issues from Layers, and collapsing Automation (and sometimes Take) Lanes will occasionally collapse all tracks and folders. One cosmetic bug is that once you expand Take Lanes, the button turns blue-ish, but doesn't correctly indicate whether there are more than one Lane or not, typically. I've had a couple of Take Lanes audio disappear altogether. Even re-drawing the picture doesn't bring them back )they're completely gone).
Lastly, I've had an issue where a Take Lane will "un-Mute itself after it was collapsed. I've only seen this twice, though. 
My biggest workflow gripe is that the overall track takes up so much real-estate when Take Lanes are expanded. There's some wasted space in the track. 

To be fair, I have good days, too. Not many, but they do happen. When things are working without issues, the only problem I have is getting visually lost in the tracks and Take Lanes and that slows me down big time. This was way worse with the X2 color scheme before switching back to the X1 color scheme. I would get seriously lost, until I figured out that minimizing the Track doesn't collapse the Take Lanes. 

Anyway, thanks for asking. 

Jimbo 88


Yea I heard 2xb was on its way and 2 major improvements...

1) staff view
2) Video

both get major overhauls.

Wait...what day is it??

where you get that from? heard it through the grapevine?
more vine than grapes over here ... maybe that's why I don't get to hear much ;-)
 
 

I must say there are four things (could be more but can't remember now) that interrupt my work flow:

1. Can't clone MIDI tracks (confirmed bug in Essential)
2. Grouping the Solo buttons of simple instrument tracks doesn't work properly (current ticket status: "Submitted To Development")
3. Inline PRV fails to display gridlines for triplets (current ticket status: "Under Investigation")
4. Dragging a MIDI clip to another MIDI track sometimes fails to move the clip to the position it's supposed to land on (done nothing to this issue yet) 

There are other issues but they aren't really workflow-interrupting (except for one or two known take lane issues).

but it lost it's connection too often,and something to do with "it"

I found out that the K.A.6 is very power hungry, 
it will hang, even BSOD your computer if lacking USB power. 


try on a desktop rather than a laptop (if possible)
avoid sharing the USB ports with other devices
avoid plugging it to a USB3 port (with the blue plastic inside)
use a nice powered USB hub for the KA6, this should help, 

My grips with teh K.A.6 is the SPDIF that is broken, it does not work as it should. 
it's written in the manual that you must have a "compatible SPDIF device" ... never heard of such crap ... 
only you get to read that once you opened the KA6 box, and can't return it to the store. 

I hope that helps ! 

Cheers ! 

V

Jackdied


PT 11 is announced today. There are huge improvements. 64 bit performance, new audio engine and playing/editing HD video formats..

I've heard that PT is


1. not stable (reliable) on Windows
2. doesn't allow users to change keybindings


True?

So Sonar needs a HUGE update to keep eyes on it. I think just fixing bugs is not enough for that right now. We also need new and unique features.  

I'd rather want improvements in, or completion of, half-baked features such as take lanes, simple instrument tracks, color options than new, unique, eye-catching half-baked features.

Jackdied


PT 11 is announced today. There are huge improvements. 64 bit performance, new audio engine and playing/editing HD video formats..

So Sonar needs a HUGE update to keep eyes on it. I think just fixing bugs is not enough for that right now. We also need new and unique features. 

Eh Sonar IS 64 bit (and has been since Sonar  7 (I think, maybe earlier)..... It's Avid who are late...

Just got an email from Sweetwater about version 11 and it included upgrade info. Honestly, I prefer many things about SONAR, too many to want to upgrade. The only reason I have version 9 of PT was to be able to migrate projects from some of the studios that still use it as a main DAW. As for X1B, didn't someone mention that it would be out for Musikmesse this month, or at least announced?

br, ya know what else drives me crazy about PT? When I import an older project created with version 6 or 7 from the studio where I track occasionally, it will reset the preferences on my version PT....meaning the program stops talking to my audio hardware unless I delete the preferences file and let PT rebuild itself. Not a clue why this happens, I would love to ask Digidesign but that would cost me my first born male child with their asinine customer support.

Jimbo 88


Here is the thing for me....I love Sonar and hate Protools (so Far).  

But, I every project I work on gets sent out and mixed in PTools.  I export an OMF and the guys i work with have a version of PTools that loads and places everything beautifully.  But why not just work in Ptools send a Protools session?

Protools notation is a lite version of Sibelius.  I would much rather be able to work in Score view and not Piano View.  Score view seems to be on its way to the curb with Sonar.

I'll be interested to see how Protools in Windows handles video.  We all know the trouble Sonar has with video.

I owe it to my self to check out the new version Protools.  I hate to jump DAWs, but if Sonar does not want to work with notation or video i might have to.    

Oh man, you're killing me.  " Score view seems to be on its way to the curb with Sonar." - don't even think it - I hope the bakers are at least going to address some lingering strangeness in SV since it's move to X1/2.

Re:  PT 11, I hear you, and since you are sending your stuff to PT users, it makes sense for you,  but there is no way I can scrounge up enough money to move to PT 11, let alone the fact that they are moving from RTAS to AAX (you can forget you VSTi's - there is no one even allowed to market a VST AAX wrapper).

I hope that we see X2b announced or released during Musikmesse, but not at the cost of rushing it out the door, and with fixes, not just new features.