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It just does not sound professional.
I'm using Sonar Artist and I'm trying to get a decent end result with my music. When I mix the music in headphones it sounds OK, but when I play the music on the big stereo it does not sound very proffesional. Muttled audio, samples, especially drums sounds bad. Even synths. I'm using primarily samples that comes with the product, like SI instruments and I can accept that there might be better alternatives out there, but I have tried a lot of different synths and just can't understand why synth music from the 80's still sound better better than mine. Also do my type of sound card have any influence on the finished product other than maybe S/n ? I use an Akai EIE pro. I was thinking about the Native Komplete 10 bundle. Will that make a big difference in my sound over the standard Cakewalk sounds ? I have tried a lot of the synths and not that impressed, but maybe the samples are worth getting ?
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Re: It just does not sound proffesional.
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☄ Helpfulby kevinwal 2016/05/10 13:56:39
It could be because of a million things. Those 80s synth songs were often recorded, mixed, and mastered by talented professionals who also spent a fortune on gear. Everything in your signal chain will affect how your music sounds. Mixing on headphones will usually cause different issues when played through a stereo. Music will sound different through almost any system; engineers tend to find the best all-around mix for consistency, but that's about it. I can't answer your question about buying Komplete, but your money might be better spent on mixing courses or tutorials. A good engineer can make gold from garbage, but a mediocre one would be lucky to make garbage from gold... As an aside, I've been playing for almost 30 years, recording for 20. I've worked with some amazing engineers and producers, in more "pro" studios than I can count. Now that I'm working on my own at home, my mixes don't sound professional either. I still hire a great engineer/producer to mix and master for me.
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Re: It just does not sound proffesional.
2016/05/10 13:39:33
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☄ Helpfulby Zargg71 2016/05/10 14:12:29
I ran across this when I was floundering (and I still am!) around trying to make pro sounding recordings. http://www.resoundsound.com/best-mixing-tutorials/ It seems to me that people who make great sounding recordings typically acquire a great deal of experience making mediocre recordings before they do anything else. So I read the tutorials, read books, and record, record, record, mix, mix, mix. Progress is slow but it's also real. You might also consider posting your music in this site's song forum to get feedback on your work. Great folks there!
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Re: It just does not sound proffesional.
2016/05/10 13:49:17
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☄ Helpfulby SoundRegion 2016/05/10 15:01:15
Absolutely concur - Prime example, Beatles on a 4 track. Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon. AMAZING sounds, on primitive gear, because of the great care and great talent put into all aspects of the process, from the quality of the songs, the quality of the performances, the good engineering techniques used in recording the performances, the solid knowledge of the engineers of the available gear/effects, and the art of mixing/mastering. LOTS of pieces to it all, but basically those folks were able to create timeless songs because they knew the craft of it. I encourage you to consider some structured process (tutorials/classes/etc) for learning how to be better at the recording/mixing process, (and mastering if you are planning do that yourself), and it is when your knowledge of technique and concept become stronger, what you produce will sound better. Best of it all to you - enjoy the process, and know that the sooner you strengthen your knowledge of the process, the faster things you create will sound like what you are trying to achieve. Bob Bone
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Re: It just does not sound proffesional.
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☄ Helpfulby SoundRegion 2016/05/10 15:01:11
No, a different interface won't make that great of a difference in sound quality if what you are getting now is completely unacceptable. Native stuff is good to great and a professional tool, but if you aren't getting a good sound now it won't help that much either, I would think. I'm not sure what soft synths come w/ Artist, but I've used most every Cake synth, old and new, and they all can sound good to great. I would suggest it is a combination of things. 1st thing is to listen to your mixes across various systems. Headphones are usually the last suggestion I would give for mixing, tho plenty disagree. You are listening to raw sound w/ no interaction w/ air in the room pumped into your ear. And your problem w/ the big stereo may be w/ that system and the room having bass problems (a common failing). It may have other room problems, or the stereo may just suck. You need to try out your mixes on various systems - car, mono bookshelf, computer speakers, a professional monitoring system that covers the sub woofer range. It is like PR, even a bad system will help w/ your sound. The point being is to learn your monitoring system by hearing how it sounds across other systems. Then there is what used to be called arrangement (it still is but seems to be seldom talked about). Balancing staccato sounds with something legato; lots o' bass needs salted with some high frequency ear candy, and so forth. It is pretty much an instinctive thing, but it still needs to be cultivated and can be easily overlooked, esp. if you are working alone. Finally, mixing is as much a skill as anything else music related. I doubt when you first picked up a guitar or sat at the keyboard your playing sounded like you hoped. I don't imagine why you would think recording and mixing would be any different. It takes time to learn the tricks of the trade (or craft), but one has to develop an ear and experience. You know how you want this instrument to sound and how that sound fits in the overall song. Again, something that needs to be cultivated and develop an ear for it. It might not be rocket science but it is a trial and error process and the less sustained work you can do the longer it takes. And for the most part many home recordists are on their own (or have bandmates no more experienced) and have no mentors right there to learn from - which makes sites like these so important. I read a lot of truths before I could hear and use them. The good news is if you are primarily "in the box" you can work on all the needed skills at once, which will take a while but gives you total control. Good luck
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Re: It just does not sound proffesional.
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☄ Helpfulby SoundRegion 2016/05/10 15:01:09
The 80s were basically the pinnacle of analog mixing. People are still attempting to reach the same clarity and dynamics, even if the music itself sounds dated by now. That said, I'm sure there are things you can improve. There are great books and tutorials out there too. But I think it's ultimately a never ending struggle.
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Re: It just does not sound proffesional.
2016/05/10 14:13:41
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☄ Helpfulby SoundRegion 2016/05/10 15:01:07
It takes a lot of patience, and well-recorded tracks to make a good mix. You might want to try some of the mix challenges that are available online. You can download pre-recorded material and mix it your self to practice your skills. There is a lot to learn about mixing before you'll start to get results that are audibly comparable to semi-pro or pro mixes. Here's a link to an article regarding the mix challenges: http://www.soundonsound.com/news?NewsID=14319 Regards, Dan
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Re: It just does not sound proffesional.
2016/05/10 14:17:41
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☄ Helpfulby SoundRegion 2016/05/10 15:01:04
I used to spend hours trying to make my drums sound like the records I was hearing on the radio...A Bing them ...back and forth...Even after being an engineer for 20 years, and working on record projects, the hardest part was mixing...you think you have it, then put it in your car, and you don't...very frustrating. I think the "big time" engineers go through this too though...making mix after mix until they just feel it's the best they can do for the time they have. I would suggest reading all material such as books, magazines, etc you can get your hands on, then practice your craft...switching from a "hit" song in the style of the one you're working on, then to yours...analyzing what is making them different. Drum sounds make a hugh difference in 80's mixes...if they sound bad, the rest of the record will not be up to par
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Re: It just does not sound proffesional.
2016/05/10 14:21:57
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☄ Helpfulby SoundRegion 2016/05/10 15:04:09
I don't own NI Komplete (wish I did) but if you are willing to shell out the cash for it's really a great package crammed with all sorts of cool stuff. However... just having access to nice sounding synths and samples will not change the fact even great sounds need to be mixed and mastered properly to translate well to other soundsystems. The synths and sounds that come with SPlat are really good and you can do a lot with them but you are on Artist, the base package that doesn't really have all the good stuff (mostly older instruments which are still good but not top notch compared to the fancier stuff). You can upgrade to SPlat for far less money than Komplete costs and get those synths. They aren't as good as having Komplete but with some elbow grease and knowledge you can do a LOT of stuff. BUT... again, you need to know how to mix those sounds and perhaps more importantly how to WRITE a tune in such a way it naturally sounds good before you'll get anywhere near pro results. As far as samples? I really would not rely on the included loops to create anything epic. They're old and kind of busted. Plenty of sites out there that offer quality sample/loop libraries for free/low cost. If that's REALLY your thing learn how to do your own sampling and looping. I think even Artist comes with some sampling stuff like Cyclone (and maybe the Matrix View). Groove Clip Looping is another area that avoids all the fancy sampler type stuff and allows you to do the same thing right in the Track View. So... I'd say... First and foremost use youtube search to find some general mixing tutorials or get a Groove3 monthly pass to learn about mixing fundamentals. You can ask mixing questions here on the forum too in the Techniques area. Tons of helpful and experienced pros down there. Second, explore the tools and synths you currently have with Artist and how to tweak them. I'm not sure exactly what comes with Artist but it is a limited package so consider upgrading to Professional or better yet Platinum. This includes exploring FX which can have a HUGE impact on even crappy generic sounds. There are two vids by SWA/Karl Rose in the Cake store. One I think is called "Sonar X2 Workshop FX" and the other is "Virtual Instruments Revealed". They are great walkthroughs of ALL the synths and effects that were included in X2 Producer (almost all of which remain and only a few things have been really added so it's still relevant). Karl's "SWA X2 Complete" is up on youtube for general stuff. When I first got started I thought I needed to invest in a TON of extra instruments and FX. Once I started learning how all the stuff I already had with Sonar worked many of those things became unnecessary. Saved me a fortune (that I don't have BTW). Now I KNOW the things that are missing or maybe not as good as third party stuff and what's actually worth spending money on outside of the SPlat package. Anyway... you get the point. You can do a lot more with some knowledge and simple tools than throwing a bunch of cash at expensive third party stuff and just poking away at it hoping something willl sound good. Cheers.
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Re: It just does not sound proffesional.
2016/05/10 14:26:22
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☄ Helpfulby SoundRegion 2016/05/10 15:04:09
Good suggestions...I still have recordings from the early 80's that I recorded with a Teac 4 track and a StudioMaster mixer that stand up today except for the amount of hiss that was layered on from multiple mixdowns, just in the process of adding more tracks to the mix. I'd say work with what you have. If it sounds good with bass, drums, a keyboard and vocals and guitar, you going in the right direction.
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Re: It just does not sound proffesional.
2016/05/10 14:28:16
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☄ Helpfulby SoundRegion 2016/05/10 15:06:53
I totally agree with what everyone has said so far on this thread. Sonar provides you with the necessary tools to make GREAT recordings, you just have to learn how to use- them all. Being blunt - if your songs don't turn out the way you want, it's not sonar's fault One of the most important skills to develop is how to listen critically to everything you hear, whether it's your own recordings or commercial material. Rip a few of the songs you think sound great and in the same genre that you're trying to emulate into Sonar and listen to them side by side against your recordings. CAVEAT: These commercial recordings will already be fully mixed & mastered so will be a LOT louder than your own stuff. Reduce the volume of your imported track(s) accordingly to gain a better perspective. Before even thinking about investing in something like Komplete, I would seriously advise you to invest in a decent set of studio monitors so you can hear exactly what's going on in the mix. Then at some point you will almost certainly require some sort of room treatment to try and eliminate (as much as possible) reflections, resonances, bass build up and suchlike from what is probably, not a good room for mixing and recording. Above all, this is meant to be FUN so don't be put off at the enormity of the task ahead. It's a long journey but the rewards are worth the effort you put into it.
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Re: It just does not sound proffesional.
2016/05/10 14:29:18
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Slugbaby It could be because of a million things. Those 80s synth songs were often recorded, mixed, and mastered by talented professionals who also spent a fortune on gear. Everything in your signal chain will affect how your music sounds. Mixing on headphones will usually cause different issues when played through a stereo. Music will sound different through almost any system; engineers tend to find the best all-around mix for consistency, but that's about it. I can't answer your question about buying Komplete, but your money might be better spent on mixing courses or tutorials. A good engineer can make gold from garbage, but a mediocre one would be lucky to make garbage from gold... As an aside, I've been playing for almost 30 years, recording for 20. I've worked with some amazing engineers and producers, in more "pro" studios than I can count. Now that I'm working on my own at home, my mixes don't sound professional either. I still hire a great engineer/producer to mix and master for me.
Good point. There obviously a reason a good engineer is recruited on a proffesional project. I guess I just overestimated the possibillities in modern music making. I probably need to give the mixing/engineering side of things more focus.
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Re: It just does not sound proffesional.
2016/05/10 14:34:50
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☄ Helpfulby SoundRegion 2016/05/10 15:06:34
One of the first things I learned when I got my computer and DAW set up years ago: It's damn hard to make songs that sound great, regardless of the genre. And I'm not even recording analog! The only analog thing I have is a microphone, everything else is "in the box". Still, getting the dynamics, EQ, arrangement, voicing, effects, etc is very tough!
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Re: It just does not sound proffesional.
2016/05/10 14:35:10
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kevinwal I ran across this when I was floundering (and I still am!) around trying to make pro sounding recordings. http://www.resoundsound.com/best-mixing-tutorials/ It seems to me that people who make great sounding recordings typically acquire a great deal of experience making mediocre recordings before they do anything else. So I read the tutorials, read books, and record, record, record, mix, mix, mix. Progress is slow but it's also real. You might also consider posting your music in this site's song forum to get feedback on your work. Great folks there!
You're right I guess I'm just looking for the quick fix. I will check out the tutorials. Didn't know about the song forum. Looks like it could be helpful.
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Re: It just does not sound proffesional.
2016/05/10 14:37:09
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robert_e_bone Absolutely concur - Prime example, Beatles on a 4 track. Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon. AMAZING sounds, on primitive gear, because of the great care and great talent put into all aspects of the process, from the quality of the songs, the quality of the performances, the good engineering techniques used in recording the performances, the solid knowledge of the engineers of the available gear/effects, and the art of mixing/mastering.
Not to mention Mike Oldfield's very low budget recording of Tubular Bells. Good point.
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Re: It just does not sound proffesional.
2016/05/10 14:51:36
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If you're interested, here is a dance song my partner and I recorded back about 1990 on a local girl here in Atlanta. My co producer was Jerry Buckner from the PacMan Fever hit back in the early 80's. We actually got a 12" record deal from a NY dance label on her with this. We cut it on a Tascam 8 track 1/2 inch machine, locking up a bunch of analog synths like a Korg Polysix, a Roland D110 synth mod, a Korg M1, and I don't remember what else. They asked us for the 2" tape, so we transferred the 1/2 inch 8 track (with no noise reduction) to a 24 track machine at another studio in town. They took it and remixed it to make it a 12 inch...which was really long..don't remember how long. Here's the link if you're interested... http://creative-digital.net/DannySongs/Powerless.mp3After getting the deal, the girl decided she needed a lot of front money, which wasn't going to happen, so it fizzled. That said, you can see what it took to cut this record...much less that you have here in Sonar Platinum. I would have given my eye teeth to have this package back then.
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Re: It just does not sound proffesional.
2016/05/10 14:53:31
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Very helpful stuff guys. Thanks a lot. I'm certainly going to use your advice.
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Re: It just does not sound proffesional.
2016/05/10 14:59:12
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Beepster The synths and sounds that come with SPlat are really good and you can do a lot with them but you are on Artist, the base package that doesn't really have all the good stuff (mostly older instruments which are still good but not top notch compared to the fancier stuff).
The problem I'm having with finding a good synth is that most sound is created with techno/electronica and that's not really what I wan't I'm more looking for more simple sounds that would blend in with analogue instruments and I'm having a hard time finding that.
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Re: It just does not sound proffesional.
2016/05/10 15:04:53
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There's some pretty good stuff in the dimension pro packages...analog brass, etc. I have the Proteus 2000 package that has a lot of the old Emu sounds..might be a good place to start Look for some Roland or Korg sounds that can be used as a virtual synth You can get the old analog synths on Ebay pretty cheap these days
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Re: It just does not sound proffesional.
2016/05/10 15:05:14
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Anything specific you need? Do you really mean "synth" as in virtual analog synths? Or more as a general name for softsynths? I have Komplete 9 Ultimate and it is a nicely varied collection but there are also things in there that I never use and things that I found disappointing and have since replaced with better options.
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Re: It just does not sound proffesional.
2016/05/10 15:24:58
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There is also Rapture Pro, which is like a combination of Dimension Pro and Rapture, and there are some REALLY good pads, as well as a good set of both sampled sounds and synth sounds individually. That is a cost effective option. It comes with the Dimension Pro sound libraries, as well as Rapture sounds, and combination layered sounds. For FREE, you could try out the Native Instruments Kontakt Player and the Reaktor Player. Both come with a usable set of sounds. My 3 sets of Go To sounds come from: NI Komplete 8 Ultimate Arturia V Collection EastWest Composer Cloud (I also frequently use some of the Cakewalk sounds) Bob Bone
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Re: It just does not sound proffesional.
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☄ Helpfulby SoundRegion 2016/05/11 15:29:05
I thought all we had to do was take our finished track and run it through LandR, right? ...poof..instant professional sound! That was a joke of course. The tutorial videos from Groove3.com helped improve my mixing/psudo-mastering skills dramatically (they are cheap, but not free). Youtube is a great place to learn from as well. However... the #1 tip I can think to provide here is to listen to your tracks up against other professional songs in the same genre (even if it is only on your headphones. *Magic AB is a fantastic plugin for this). If the pro song has more high end, try adding some high end to your tune. Does your tune sound boxy compared to the pro tune? Scoop around in the lower mids. Are the vocals louder in the pro tune? Turn up your songs vocal. etc...etc... You will have to decide if adding more highs to your song means turning up something like the cymbals, or do the cymbals themselves need more of a high end EQ adjustment. Go back and compare it to the professional song and figure it out. Make an adjustment on your mix and then go back and compare. I'm not saying to try to exactly match a tune's tone, but to select a few songs that you like. Something like one song that you like the low end punch on, another professional track that you think has a nice sheen. Another where vocals shine through. Just make sure you turn the volume down on these reference songs to match the volume of your own tune. Once you are happy with your results, a mastering engineer can later make your song as loud as the professional ones (in theory) -- or you could then use LandR for final mastering -- Or you could just smash it through a brick wall limiter to bring the overall volume up. (That last part is a joke too...) I think everyone here is chasing the perfect mix for our songs. You are not alone in the search.
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Re: It just does not sound proffesional.
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☄ Helpfulby Zargg71 2016/05/10 17:52:14
One more thought about fat synths...the Z3ta sounds are pretty incredible ..just gotta sift through to find what you can use
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Re: It just does not sound proffesional.
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☄ Helpfulby SoundRegion 2016/05/11 15:42:28
Just one other thought. Maybe from a little different perspective. Songs themselves have to be great. The performers have to be great in order to create a great song. I don't think I have ever heard of a song being great because is was recorded with pristine audio. Some of the great classics really don't have great sonic qualities, in fact, you can often hear pitch issues, mistakes etc. in some of the classic rock songs. I think we should always strive for great audio quality, but not be confused about its value in creating great music. Elvis often recorded his songs live to 2 track with gear significantly below the quality of what we are using. Finally, as a front of house guy, don't underestimate the value of mixing. Knowing how to EQ a mix is critical, especially subtractive EQ rather than additive. Some inexperienced folks try to maximize the quality of each instrument, and it sounds terrific when soloed, but when put into the mix they compete and sound awful. As others have suggested, practice, know your gear, understand the music and remember what I learned a long time ago, most of the time it's not the gear, it's the musician. When I played in a band as a teen, I thought our problem was mostly our equipment until a really good group of musicians sat in, using our equipment and absolutely blew us away. We were astounded, but learned an important lesson that day. Learn your craft.
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Re: It just does not sound proffesional.
2016/05/10 16:13:42
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Heh, as someone who makes music purely as a hobby, I often think about the following reality: "Professional" music has professional musicians writing the music, with professionally trained musicians each playing an instrument they specialized in, with dedicated professional engineers each doing the recording, mixing and mastering, all on expensive professional gear which they know intimately. On the other hand, I need to write my own music, do my own arrangement, "play" each instrument myself, do my own vocals (nooo!!!), do my own recording, mixing and mastering on gear that might actually be good but of which I don't really know much about. So the chances of something "professional" sounding coming out on the other end for me is practically zero
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Re: It just does not sound proffesional.
2016/05/10 16:25:53
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☄ Helpfulby SoundRegion 2016/05/11 15:43:22
I assume you are mixing in a small space. You need to 1) invest in some good studio monitors. the $500 to $1000 kind (not the $10K+ kind). Headphones will not cut it. 2) acoustically treat your mixing area at least to get rid of early reflections and also possibly some bass traps. Plenty of advice about this on the web. Use reference mixes of material you think sounds good, get accustomed to what those sound like on your rig. Listen to your mixes on different rigs.I use a typical stereo , a boom box, the car stereo and a couple of rigs my friends own. Try your mixes in mono...they should still sound good. Once this is done many, many times , you will begin to 'learn' your space and your monitors and what your mixes will sound like on various playback devices. I wish there was an easier way but unfortunately there is not.
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Re: It just does not sound proffesional.
2016/05/10 16:35:44
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SoundRegion I'm using Sonar Artist and I'm trying to get a decent end result with my music. When I mix the music in headphones it sounds OK, but when I play the music on the big stereo it does not sound very proffesional. Muttled audio, samples, especially drums sounds bad. Even synths. I'm using primarily samples that comes with the product, like SI instruments and I can accept that there might be better alternatives out there, but I have tried a lot of different synths and just can't understand why synth music from the 80's still sound better better than mine. Also do my type of sound card have any influence on the finished product other than maybe S/n ? I use an Akai EIE pro. I was thinking about the Native Komplete 10 bundle. Will that make a big difference in my sound over the standard Cakewalk sounds ? I have tried a lot of the synths and not that impressed, but maybe the samples are worth getting ?
Imo it´s very demanding to create good sound and mixes. That alone is an art which needs years of experience and diligance. To do that by headphones is even more difficult, specially if there is not much expierence in creating good mixes aso with monitors. I had hundreds of mixes which sounded great via headphones and collapsed by hearing via studio monitors.
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Re: It just does not sound proffesional.
2016/05/10 16:44:56
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There are really only two options. Become a good mix engineer, or hire a mix engineer. The former takes years, and costs money, the latter just costs money. I will say this: monitors and room. There are no hacks and no tricks. You need good enough monitors in a good enough room. Doesn't need to be Abbey Road or anything, but all your other efforts are irrelevant without good enough monitors in a good enough room. And while there are many here who will protest, I don't hesitate to say this: stop mixing on headphones. The list of people who can make translatable mixes on headphones is incredibly short, and entirely made up of absolutely top professionals with many years of experience. It is certainly the absolutely worst option for when you're still learning.
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Re: It just does not sound proffesional.
2016/05/10 16:50:50
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Sorry, I couldn't get passed "proffesional".... an amusing irony. Fortunately, others gave some very PROFESSIONAL advice and tips. ------- Lee Shapiro Musician, Songwriter, Spelling Enforcement Officer
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Re: It just does not sound proffesional.
2016/05/10 17:12:08
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Probably your best, ie. cheapest means to get a great collections of sounds is to upgrade SONAR. SPAT has great drums, effects and Dim Pro and Rapture, among other "Professional" synths. Cake does deals on and off. That is a great and reasonable way to upgrade your sound. NI also does good deals - mid-summer and Christmas. If you can wait you can find a lot of their stuff at half price. Both are good choices.
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