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Its a sad day but I can't take anymore
I have been a loyal user of Sonar and member of this forum for about 7 years now (Since SP3) so it makes me sad to find myself leaving Cakewalk.
I had the last freeze up and tracking data loss that I am going to ever have with Sonar today. Tonight I effort through to a very difficult bass track for a local songwriter that I am doing bass and guitar work for and after much effort finally nail the part only to hit save and POOF freeze and crash. This AGAIN?
I am all done.
Sure I can go back to Sonar 8.5.3 where I will have a stable program, but I am not. For me to really learn new software I need to focus on that program and not have the ability to simply go to what I know and learn it better later. Nope that doesn't work for me, I am way to much a path of least resistance guy.
I understand that software is released all the time with some bugs and beta testing not really complete, I have gone through it with cakewalk for many years, but NOTHING like this mess. Sadly I have lost faith in the support and Cakes new daddy that I imagine is largely responsible for this messy and quite frankly way before its time release of X1.
I have been preparing for this the last few weeks and have looked at a bunch of software. I am leaning towards Presonus Studio or Samplitude but not quite sure which one to choose yet. I would have loved to go with Adobe Audition CS5.5 but there is no midi or VSTi support so no way on them.
Anyway I am rambling. I guess I am just dismayed to be forced away from Sonar as it seems like an old friend has contracted Leprosy
and I just can't hang out with them anymore.
I will check back and see in 6 months to a year and see what has been done and what everyone here has to say at that time but until then, I can not and will not waste anymore time and energy on this broken software.
Good luck everyone,
Mark
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Re:Its a sad day but I can't take anymore
2011/04/29 04:17:38
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Hey, great name for the Cakewalk Forum- Leper colony!
Bummer about the missed solo man. Hope you find a daw that has all the features and never crashes. Let us know if you find it.
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Re:Its a sad day but I can't take anymore
2011/04/29 04:27:22
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I definelty agree with your comment about the initial X1 release - it was a disaster .......... BUT X1 + X1a + X1b + the hotfixes is - at least on my Corei7 rig - super stable - even more-so than 8.5.3 and the audio engine in X1b+ is noticably more efficient than 8.5.3 [ I run a fully native X64 hardware and software system with an RME FireFace UC ] I would genunley expect your issues will be a combo of hardware drivers and non-X1b related audio software and drivers. Laslty, I can assue you from *personal* experieice, the grass is *far* from greener on the other side, but anyway .......... whatever you do Mark, I wish you luck - maybe we'll see you back one day. All the best, Tim
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Re:Its a sad day but I can't take anymore
2011/04/29 04:34:21
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6stringsat100mph
I have been a loyal user of Sonar and member of this forum for about 7 years now (Since SP3) so it makes me sad to find myself leaving Cakewalk.
I had the last freeze up and tracking data loss that I am going to ever have with Sonar today. Tonight I effort through to a very difficult bass track for a local songwriter that I am doing bass and guitar work for and after much effort finally nail the part only to hit save and POOF freeze and crash. This AGAIN?
I am all done.
Sure I can go back to Sonar 8.5.3 where I will have a stable program, but I am not. For me to really learn new software I need to focus on that program and not have the ability to simply go to what I know and learn it better later. Nope that doesn't work for me, I am way to much a path of least resistance guy.
I understand that software is released all the time with some bugs and beta testing not really complete, I have gone through it with cakewalk for many years, but NOTHING like this mess. Sadly I have lost faith in the support and Cakes new daddy that I imagine is largely responsible for this messy and quite frankly way before its time release of X1.
I have been preparing for this the last few weeks and have looked at a bunch of software. I am leaning towards Presonus Studio or Samplitude but not quite sure which one to choose yet. I would have loved to go with Adobe Audition CS5.5 but there is no midi or VSTi support so no way on them.
Anyway I am rambling. I guess I am just dismayed to be forced away from Sonar as it seems like an old friend has contracted Leprosy
and I just can't hang out with them anymore.
I will check back and see in 6 months to a year and see what has been done and what everyone here has to say at that time but until then, I can not and will not waste anymore time and energy on this broken software.
Good luck everyone,
Mark
I know the feeling. I'm afraid X1 has made me look elsewhere as well. I've been using Studio One Pro for about 4 months or so now. I'ts missing some of the deeper features of SONAR but it is rock solid and does what it supposed to. Stability has got everything else beat. I'm still mucking around with X1 in the hope that when (more likely if) it does really get the stability I want then at least I'll be able to use it. I had been using S8.5.3 all the while but Im leaning more and more to full time use of Studio One Pro. just took delivery of my Studio Live 24.4.2 and of course they just work hand in hand.
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Re:Its a sad day but I can't take anymore
2011/04/29 04:56:14
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I also know the feeling...
Good luck with everything mate. :)
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Re:Its a sad day but I can't take anymore
2011/04/29 04:56:53
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Tonight I effort through to a very difficult bass track for a local songwriter that I am doing bass and guitar work for and after much effort finally nail the part only to hit save and POOF freeze and crash. This AGAIN? The audio could be on your HD even though you lost the project if it was an audio track you were recording.
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Re:Its a sad day but I can't take anymore
2011/04/29 05:22:47
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Yes yes.
I am not the only one .
Im done to working with sonar x1 and other cakewalk gear.
It is Non finished software .
My advise is that you should stay away from cakewalk gear because it is a waste of time and money.
I have lots of DAW software that are cracks and they working fine.
Only cakewalk gear is not working propperly and that because they sell it unfinished.
They promise you heaven and you buying hell.
It is a big heist they did with x1.
They take people to work for them that dont now anything about making a good DAW and they push this people to the limit and timelimit.
As result you get unfinished software.
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Re:Its a sad day but I can't take anymore
2011/04/29 05:45:10
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Shouldn't talk rot Belg. Yes yes?
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Re:Its a sad day but I can't take anymore
2011/04/29 06:11:04
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Belg, you're really being childish. I've used CW since PA 6 and I've never had disturbingly much problems with the stability. I'm not saying there isn't anything better out there, but depending on your system you might find out you've jumped from a river to a rapids.
X1 might be another story, I haven't tried it. The problems, OTOH, have very often been due to user error, because so many things have been changed, but the users neglected that fact and tried to operate the same way they always have.
I tend to doubt very much the user experiences by people who say they're using half a dozen DAWs on a regular basis. Knowing how many years it's taken me to learn SONAR Producer "properly", how could I trust the level of expertice of such a person?
I suspect they know the good sides of one program because they just haven't bumped into the weaknesses yet, but they know the weaknesses of the one or two software they know thoroughly.
Anyway, there are DAWs out there for every taste. I hope all find the right one for them.
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Re:Its a sad day but I can't take anymore
2011/04/29 06:16:17
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Sorry about your loss and bad luck. I have had a lot of joy ot of X1B 246, and have been using it professionally for the last two months. A real pleasure for me, and more stable than 8.5.3 actually. There are bugs, but then, I watched PT9 HD crash the other day at a TV broadcast - luckily in the rehearsals. But you get my point. If you want 99.9% stability, hardware is the way to go- if you can afford it. RADAR for instance..
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Re:Its a sad day but I can't take anymore
2011/04/29 07:40:39
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normaly i look at these goobye x1 threads as joke but yours is different ive read alot of your posts..youve been a layal user with mostly good things to say,,,i hope you make it back someday.the core program is great.ive found great stability and i hope someday you will to.peace man.
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Re:Its a sad day but I can't take anymore
2011/04/29 07:49:54
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BLABLABLA.
It is just unfinished software.
And its broken now and they can not fix it .
it have nothing to do with pc requirements.
Even on the superbest systems it is unfinished software.
For some people that just record a guitar track into x1 it will work fine.
And i am talking rot as much i want .
Go play on a guitar and record it !
Waawie i am a pro now ?
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Re:Its a sad day but I can't take anymore
2011/04/29 07:58:41
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I see we're back to the old bickerfests of old again.
Must be the weekend.
Is there a backalley wherein one can duke it out?
This must have been upstairs at one point....
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Re:Its a sad day but I can't take anymore
2011/04/29 08:41:29
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Belg
Yes yes.
I am not the only one .
Im done to working with sonar x1 and other cakewalk gear.
It is Non finished software .
My advise is that you should stay away from cakewalk gear because it is a waste of time and money.
I have lots of DAW software that are cracks and they working fine.
Only cakewalk gear is not working propperly and that because they sell it unfinished.
They promise you heaven and you buying hell.
It is a big heist they did with x1.
They take people to work for them that dont now anything about making a good DAW and they push this people to the limit and timelimit.
As result you get unfinished software.
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Re:Its a sad day but I can't take anymore
2011/04/29 08:50:58
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Belg
Yes yes.
I am not the only one .
Im done to working with sonar x1 and other cakewalk gear.
It is Non finished software .
My advise is that you should stay away from cakewalk gear because it is a waste of time and money.
I have lots of DAW software that are cracks and they working fine.
Only cakewalk gear is not working propperly and that because they sell it unfinished.
They promise you heaven and you buying hell.
It is a big heist they did with x1.
They take people to work for them that dont now anything about making a good DAW and they push this people to the limit and timelimit.
As result you get unfinished software.
The space you have will always be exceeded in direct proportion to the amount of stuff you have...Thornton's Postulate. Bushpianos
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Re:Its a sad day but I can't take anymore
2011/04/29 08:56:46
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My software works fine, and it runs on a stable platform..... MC4 on XP. It's old but it works. I don't have a need to have the newest, latest version of anything. I get the occasional crash/freeze. Not so much anymore since I built a DAW specific computer and it only runs music stuff and it stays totally off line and it gets no updates. (updates can mess you up)
If you are planning to run your new DAW on Windows, you will very likely continue to have problems, they might not be the exact same ones you have with cake, but I'll wager you will still have problems.
Best of luck in your search for the perfect DAW.
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Re:Its a sad day but I can't take anymore
2011/04/29 09:39:52
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Belge : tu resembles une veille fille frustrée ! I guess cracks is the word to note here. What problems exactly are you having ? In case you don't understand : tu as quoi comme problèmes ? Mmmm, I smell troll. Oh, and X1 works great, both audio (guitar parts) and midi ..... steep learning, but worth it. Cheers, Jerry
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Re:Its a sad day but I can't take anymore
2011/04/29 10:07:46
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im glad hes been banned again for the 3 time..i tried to help,reason with him..hes hopeless
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Re:Its a sad day but I can't take anymore
2011/04/29 10:42:28
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Belg
I have lots of DAW software that are cracks and they working fine.
That's funny! Maybe that's the entire source of all your problems. I suggest you wait until you find an X1 crack and all your problems will most likely be solved.
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Re:Its a sad day but I can't take anymore
2011/04/29 10:56:49
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chuckebaby
im glad hes been banned again for the 3 time..i tried to help,reason with him..hes hopeless
Hes still active .. no ban yet...
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Re:Its a sad day but I can't take anymore
2011/04/29 11:43:04
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Belg
Yes yes.
I am not the only one .
I have lots of crack and my DAW softwares are working fine.
Fixed!! 
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Re:Its a sad day but I can't take anymore
2011/04/29 11:47:51
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What I don't understand is why so many reject the option of simply sticking with 8.5. After all, there are a great many people still happily recording with SONAR 5, 6, and 7.
Ever since the conversation has become focused on X1, I no longer feel a need to participate in it and have therefore been spending more time simply making music. That's a good thing.
Of course, 8.5 has bugs that will never get fixed, but I know about them and how to mitigate or avoid them. 8.5 will serve me just fine for at least for another year.
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Re:Its a sad day but I can't take anymore
2011/04/29 13:41:55
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Folks...regardless of what you read in my message I assure you I am not looking for the perfect DAW; I know there is no such thing. I never said that. What I can not and will not accept is the amount of lost work due to regular freeze-ups. Simple.
I have been using the same exact procedure for many years now as well as mostly the same signal path and plug-ins. I did replace an old FW-410 with a Fast track ultra about a month and a half ago but that is it. You may want to think that I am upset about something that is "User error" or configuration problems but I can assure you , it is not my MO to throw my hands in the air without looking into my system/setup or work habits for the problem/solution first.
Truth be told it is not every day or every 2 or 3 times I use the software that I get the freeze. It IS random but random comes more often than I can deal with at this time.
This isn't a forum suicide either I clearly said that after 6 months or so I would take a look back here and see what is going on.
I appreciate the support from some and don't appreciate the smarmy attitudes from others who have not had the same experience I have had. I am pleased many of you are able to use X1 I hope this does not change.
I have really enjoyed my time with cakewalk it has been an exciting journey for me and my music but for the moment I need to back off till it is fixed up. I am convinced it is the software and not me at least 7 out of 10 times. That's enough of an issue for me to have made the decision I have.
Keep recording and I hope to see many of you again down the road here at cakewalk.
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Re:Its a sad day but I can't take anymore
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Re:Its a sad day but I can't take anymore
2011/04/29 13:52:42
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Well, I've found the smarmy attitudes are a bit of a cultural tradition here. Helps to keep the drama down. Have also found that lost takes, dropouts, and crashes kinda go with the territory. Have experienced them in every version of Cakewalk since DOS days, and more recently, in Pro Tools 9. One solution you may consider is the RME UFX. It's pricey, but it includes a front USB port that can be used to make a backup recording of the take as it's being laid down (the software to do that is in beta, but it works). It can even be used stand-alone to record the takes - no computer required. Best of luck...
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Re:Its a sad day but I can't take anymore
2011/04/29 14:06:06
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X1 is the best DAW software ever conceived in the entire Galaxy - how can you all not see this. My version of X1 even cooks me breakfast every morning and holds my goods while I pee and listen to bebop John Coltrane...... all you people complaining about x1 have mental issues and are not great musicians like I am and that's your problem
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Re:Its a sad day but I can't take anymore
2011/04/29 14:34:47
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I have used cubase, ableton,sony acid pro,Studio 1 and cakewalk X-1.... none of them are perfect as you say,and admittedly a lot of the errors were user errors,either an oversight in software or an ill prepared computer.
After I trimmed the fat off of win 7 things have been so much better.
I did have one incident that had me really upset in X1 producer. I loaded a plug and restarted the audio engine by accident on a project I had been trying to correct and had spent literally hours on it. The combination must have been bad because that project will no longer load for me. X1 locks any time I try to load the file.......very frustrating,can't even remove the plug. That project is probably history........but I'm not ready to throw the towel in yet.
I really like the guys comment about hardware being the way to go. If Roland would have kept developing the VS series I might never have touched software.
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