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Jamaica Plain, heavy performance problems
Hello, Updated to Jamaica Plain and can't continue to work on my current project because of heavy performance problems. No such problems before on Ipswich with the same project. As soon I start playback, the first cpu core goes up to 100% and I only hear stuttering. Deactivating all fx and virtual instruments does not help. Removing all tracks and clips does not help. As I removed the virtual instruments, there are about 35 and most of them Kontakt5, it becomes better. But this is not a solution. Ok. My cpu is a quad core, and in stop state all 4 cores are on about 25%.  As I start playback the first cpu core goes up to 100% and the other three down to 5%.  It seems it only uses 1 core in playback. Maybe there are something wrong with multicore-engine in Jamaica plan. I tried some of my other bigger projects that all worked in previous versions of Sonar, and they all have the same problem. I've started with an empty project, put in 30 empty Kontakt5 instances without loading any sampels to it and the problem still there. No audio data, no midi data, no fx, only 30 empty Kontakt instances and cpu core #1 goes up to critical load as I start playback. I've tried to delete my aud.ini, but still the same problem. I will call this as a Bug! I'm not able to work on my current project with this Sonar Jamaica update and have done a rollback to Ipswich, that works normal and without such problems. -Markus
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Re: Jamaica Plain, heavy performance problems
2015/10/20 20:37:48
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Out of curiosity, did you rescan your plugins?
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Re: Jamaica Plain, heavy performance problems
2015/10/20 20:48:14
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See if dynamic track arming is checked in Preferences.
Look for this in your AUD.ini
ThreadSchedulingModel=
This variable goes in the [Wave] section and controls the interaction of the main audio thread and worker threads on multiprocessor systems when the Use Multiprocessing Engine option is enabled. Depending on the system, a particular model may result in less glitching and better overall performance. The values are as follows:
0 = Same as previous versions of SONAR.
1 = (default) Better thread balance. Model is more efficient and can provide cycles for other tasks.
2 = Additional worker thread is created. This may result in improvement with Quad processor systems or higher. Not recommended for Dual processor systems.
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Re: Jamaica Plain, heavy performance problems
2015/10/20 20:52:43
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Not seeing this sorry. Have you installed everything inside CCC including the new plugin updates? Try... Upgrade everything in NI service centre. Remember you should run the NI applications standalone at least once after upgrade before you use them in Sonar. VST Reset and rescan: https://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/2007013315/SONAR-X3-Full-VST-Rescan-Recommended-for-Upgraders Otherwise you need to find out what the problem plugin is (start in Sonar safe mode and remove them one by one, or add them in one buy one). I would also uninstall mix control (whatever version you have), reboot, reinstall mix control 3.6 from Focusrite website. Then on mix control restore factory default and clear all settings. If you are using legacy Windows firewire drivers you shouldn't be! Also update your firmware and drivers everywhere inc BIOS. Consider running chkdsk /R and a defrag. Finally try running Sonar as admin (or vice versa if you are already doing it) to see if it makes a difference. Ta. p.s. Oh and temp disable antivirus and network adapter.
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Re: Jamaica Plain, heavy performance problems
2015/10/20 20:55:00
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hockeyjx
Out of curiosity, did you rescan your plugins?
Yes, but didn't help.
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Re: Jamaica Plain, heavy performance problems
2015/10/20 21:05:05
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NB Not just rescan, reset and rescan (all in my link above) - thx.
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Re: Jamaica Plain, heavy performance problems
2015/10/20 21:26:06
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@John tried all ThreadSchedulingModel Options, all the same problem. @Doktor Avalanche Yes, installed everything in CCC. And yes, I've done reset and rescan. It's not only related to NI Kontakt5 only. Other samplers like MachFive3 or EW-Play causes similar problem, not as heavy as with Kontakt, but same behavior. And again, the problem occurs in empty project without any fx-plugins loaded, without any audio or midi data, only about 30 or more empty instances of Kontakt5, Machfive or EW-Play. No problems with VSL-InstrumentPro sampler, but this is VST3, my other samplers are VST2. And the problem also don't occur with synths like Z3ta or Rapture. And I'm sure it has nothing to do with Focusrite Mix Control, I'm on 3.6 btw. Rollback to Sonar Ipswitch and all works without problems. Update back to Jamaica Plan and again the same problems. It's very simple: IPSwich, no problem. update to Jamaica, problem. back to IPSwitch, no problem. again update to Jamaica, problem again. The fact that it worked ok when i go back to Ipswich shows me, that it has nothing to do with any of my plugins or my system. The only thing that changes is the update of Sonar to new Jamaica Plan. In Jamaica Plan there are changes in code to "Synth Streaming Multi Processing" and maybe this changes causes the problems. This new synth streaming engine should reduce the cpu load on playback, but here it increases the load. -Markus
post edited by mdages - 2015/10/20 21:36:11
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Re: Jamaica Plain, heavy performance problems
2015/10/20 21:40:35
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You may be right, but there's a big BUT to this... I've had similar issues with the Saffire after upgrading Sonar. The above process I've listed fixed it. Please don't be too sure that you know what the issue is, rule out other issues first... I'm afraid just because the previous version of Sonar works, you cannot rule out the that there isn't an issue with your environment or plugins in the latest version of Sonar. It may appear entirely logical, but all software has dependencies, Sonar simply may be making other programmatic calls that it didn't do before (perfectly legit), or the plugin maybe behaving differently under Sonar... and think about it, I have a Saffire and Komplete as well yet not experiencing these issues. I strongly recommend you at least attempt my suggestions above (I have since edited the post #4 to be more complete).
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/10/20 22:39:35
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Re: Jamaica Plain, heavy performance problems
2015/10/20 22:11:33
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Mdages,
Doctor A may have a point. I also have the Saffire40 and Komplete and I'm on the Jamaica Plains update so far without a hitch.
I've run Kontakt5 in bunches over the last two days and I'm not experiencing what you see. Is it possible that it's an isolated issue?
Have you reported it to the Bakers???
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Re: Jamaica Plain, heavy performance problems
2015/10/20 22:23:36
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FWIW, I loaded 10 instances of Kontakt 5 - 16 Out, and lowered my buffer to 64 samples. This got my lowly Q9550 idling with its first core up around 65% and the others around 40%. Starting playback had little effect - maybe adding another 5% to the first core. Enabling Dynamic Arming added another 5-10% under playback.
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Re: Jamaica Plain, heavy performance problems
2015/10/20 23:56:22
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Same experience as mdages after JP update on an existing project, constant playback stutter/crackle with the first core red-lining. Additionally, after attempting an EQ adjustment in a VST then stopping and closing the project, clicking save prompted an application error. Error report submitted through the in-app debugger (CWBRN-40143).
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Re: Jamaica Plain, heavy performance problems
2015/10/21 00:02:14
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bronsoncox
Same experience as mdages after JP update on an existing project, constant playback stutter/crackle with the first core red-lining. Additionally, after attempting an EQ adjustment in a VST then stopping and closing the project, clicking save prompted an application error. Error report submitted through the in-app debugger (CWBRN-40143).
Please try post #3 & #4 and list your hardware/software here. Thanks.
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Re: Jamaica Plain, heavy performance problems
2015/10/21 01:05:38
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Sure, why not. Problem did not exist prior to JP. Dynamic arming not enabled, Thread Model was at 1, tried at 2 (Preferences/Advanced - Audio - Configuration File) Did the VST reset, set to rescan every startup. No joy. No antivirus. Don't really want to defrag my trim enabled SSDs ( x3, OS, Samples and Audio). Windows is pretty good about monitoring for bad sectors since the early 2000's and I haven't seen any recommended checks at boot. 13 track project in Sonar Platinum (JP), the only VI is AD2, heavy on the Slate VTM/VCC with Amplitube and Bias, Waves L1 on the 2 buss for grins and giggles. Eleven Rack with latest 1.1.10 driver. All onboard audio devices disabled including HDMI. 8.1 Pro (x64) Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770 CPU @ 3.40GHz (8 CPUs) Memory: 16384MB RAMCard name: AMD Radeon HD 7800 SeriesDisplay Memory: 9958 MB
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Re: Jamaica Plain, heavy performance problems
2015/10/21 03:36:29
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Merely an observation: I notice that the users that don't seem to have the issue is using Win7, except Doktor on Win8.1, while the OP is using win10 German and the other user with the issue is on Win8.1 with a AMD graphic card.
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Re: Jamaica Plain, heavy performance problems
2015/10/21 04:25:01
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@Doktor A
I've put off the Focusrite interface and tried with another one (M-Audio) and with Asio4All, always the same problems. And at last, tried to use WDM instead of Asio. But same results. So I'm sure the problem isn't related to the audiointerface.
As more instances of a sample like Kontakt, Machfive or EW-Play I use, as heavier the problem.
In stop mode, the load is fairly balanced on all cpu cores. But soon I start playback, even on an empty project with only 30 empty K5 instances, the first core goes up to 100% and the other cores down to about 5%.
-Markus
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Re: Jamaica Plain, heavy performance problems
2015/10/21 04:31:32
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ASIO4ALL should be completely uninstalled and PC rebooted.. Very good at conflicting with existing drivers.
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Re: Jamaica Plain, heavy performance problems
2015/10/21 04:33:46
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Also have a go with latencymon I also suggest. There's a new version just released. Also find out which process are maxing out with task manager or process explorer.
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Re: Jamaica Plain, heavy performance problems
2015/10/21 05:45:24
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☄ Helpfulby Doktor Avalanche 2015/10/21 13:19:35
Doktor Avalanche
ASIO4ALL should be completely uninstalled and PC rebooted.. Very good at conflicting with existing drivers.
I've installed ASIO4all only for this test and uninstalled it after that. As a note. My DAW computer runs very good every day and with every previous version of Sonar Platinum. My other DAW program, Studio One, also runs without such problems. When I put in all my Kontakt instances in VSL Vienna Ensemble Pro it runs without problems. The only program that causes the current problem is the Jamaica Plan update of Sonar. Ok, I've opened the task manager of windows and now it becomes strange. Windows task manager shows about 50% load on each cpu core, a little bit higher on core 1 that's normal, and complete load is equal distributed over all cores. But the performance meter in Sonar shows 100% on core 1 and about 5% on core 2-4.  The same on cpu graph in process-explorer. Core 1 is slightly higher than the other ones, but this is normal.  From Windows side there seems no problem with heavy cpu load on core 1, only inside of Sonar. The overall cpu load on the system is about 50% and Sonarplt.exe is on about 40%. So, there is no process that maxing out the cpu in an unusal way. The problem seems not the cpu, the problem seems any kind of multiprocessing of audio inside of Sonar. And btw, tried different latency settings from 128 up to 1024. With lower latency I got Audio-Dropout error as soon I start playback, even on an empty project with no audio or midi data, only a bunch of Kontakt instances. It's very obvious that this has to do with latest changes on code in JP regarding Synth Streaming Multi Processing. regards Markus
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Re: Jamaica Plain, heavy performance problems
2015/10/21 05:51:50
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Hi
I am wondering If your problem has anything to do with mine .
You may have updated but I cannot as I get a box saying Files corrupted,obtain a new copy of the program.
As you will see on my thread.
There maybe a flaw in the update.
We will have to wait for a reply on this ,so we will have be patient AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!!
All the best
John
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Re: Jamaica Plain, heavy performance problems
2015/10/21 05:57:30
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JFI, I ran heavy orchestral session last night using multiple instances of Play running EWQLSO without a single hitch.
This is under Win 7.
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Re: Jamaica Plain, heavy performance problems
2015/10/21 06:06:01
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Hi I have noted that looking at several posts, I have found that people running successfully mainly have windows 7 and 8. I think this Is a windows 10 problem by the looks of It--This Is only from what I have recently seen--maybe wrong. The fact In my case, corrupted files ,obtain a new program Is telling us something. Obviously going through the update program centre. Something is wrong All the best John 
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Re: Jamaica Plain, heavy performance problems
2015/10/21 06:58:12
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wrt kontakt, did you try flipping the multi-core setting in kontakts own options?
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Re: Jamaica Plain, heavy performance problems
2015/10/21 07:20:48
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wrt kontakt, did you try flipping the multi-core setting in kontakts own options?
Good thought. For the OP, I have a similar older quad core processor, running Windows 10, and the new SONAR update runs noticeably quicker and at lower CPU hit here -
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Re: Jamaica Plain, heavy performance problems
2015/10/21 07:23:09
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igiwigi
Hi
I have noted that looking at several posts, I have found that people running successfully mainly have windows 7 and 8.
I think this Is a windows 10 problem by the looks of It--This Is only from what I have recently seen--maybe wrong.
The fact In my case, corrupted files ,obtain a new program Is telling us something. Obviously going through the update program centre. Something is wrong
All the best
John
SONAR updated fine here using the Command Centre - quick download despite a slow connection, I also am using Windows 10. New version is quicker and lower CPU. I would try to download again -
Brando
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Re: Jamaica Plain, heavy performance problems
2015/10/21 09:21:45
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I am also running Win 10 with no problems. I have opened several older projects with 4 streams of Reaktor, created new aux busses and patch points and all is good. On my system, JP is running faster that the older updates of Sonar.
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Re: Jamaica Plain, heavy performance problems
2015/10/21 10:16:13
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☄ Helpfulby Doktor Avalanche 2015/10/21 13:18:43
Hi Markus,
Thank you for sending us a sample project. We were able to reproduce the issue and are currently looking into resolving it.
From what I can tell, the issue stems from having Allow Arm Changes enabled in Preferences - Project - Record. Disabling this setting in the meantime should improve performance.
Thanks,
Daniel [Cakewalk]
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Re: Jamaica Plain, heavy performance problems
2015/10/21 13:53:04
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OP was advised to check for Allow Arm Changes... (a.k.a Dynamic Arming) being enabled back in post #3, but never mentioned doing that.
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Re: Jamaica Plain, heavy performance problems
2015/10/21 14:24:39
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Dan Cate [Cakewalk]
From what I can tell, the issue stems from having Allow Arm Changes enabled in Preferences - Project - Record. Disabling this setting in the meantime should improve performance.
As stated above for my experience with the same issue, Arm Changes are/were not enabled. Any other thoughts?
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Re: Jamaica Plain, heavy performance problems
2015/10/21 14:53:37
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Dan Cate [Cakewalk]
From what I can tell, the issue stems from having Allow Arm Changes enabled in Preferences - Project - Record. Disabling this setting in the meantime should improve performance.
bronsoncox
As stated above for my experience with the same issue, Arm Changes are/were not enabled. Any other thoughts?
Arm changes was known issue in Ipswitch Update 1, the implication from the ezine was it was fixed in this release.
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Re: Jamaica Plain, heavy performance problems
2015/10/21 16:00:29
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Upsampling on playback? When you say "no antivirus" does that include Microsoft Security Essentials? I had an issue recently where MSMPENG.EXE was scanning every file touched by VstScan, causing major playback issues while background scan was running at startup. I added VstScan.exe to the excluded processes list, and the problem went away.
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