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Beagle
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yeah, I'm not sure I'm upgrading right now. I haven't had K4 that long and except for a few problems I'm not interested in upgrading.
what problems are you wanting them to fix?
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bitflipper
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Well, the bug that crashes Kontakt, preventing some of the factory libraries from running for starters. There is a workaround, but it's a potentially useful new feature that I'd like to see working.
The new version offers more sophisticated time stretching of loops, something I don't care about since I don't use loops.
But you know what will happen: some irresistible new library will come on the market that requires Kontakt 5 to run. It's why I upgraded to 4. NI does this on purpose; it isn't because the library utilizes some new feature of Kontakt, it's because there is no way to create a backward-compatible library in Kontakt. Any library created with K4 requires K4 to run, whether it uses any K4-specific features or not. It's a gimmick to assure ongoing upgrade sales.
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Well, the bug that crashes Kontakt, preventing some of the factory libraries from running for starters. There is a workaround, but it's a potentially useful new feature that I'd like to see working.
I haven't seen that problem myself, but I am not extensive in my use of it. is this 3rd party libraries or native ones? (pun intended) The new version offers more sophisticated time stretching of loops, something I don't care about since I don't use loops. yawn. But you know what will happen: some irresistible new library will come on the market that requires Kontakt 5 to run. It's why I upgraded to 4. NI does this on purpose; it isn't because the library utilizes some new feature of Kontakt, it's because there is no way to create a backward-compatible library in Kontakt. Any library created with K4 requires K4 to run, whether it uses any K4-specific features or not. It's a gimmick to assure ongoing upgrade sales.
DING DING DING!!! completely agree there!
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There are a couple of factory libraries that show the problem. Load the Kaval Flute under World\Flutes (Kaval.nki). It'll load OK but crash hard if you try to play it. One of the others was the Wurly Speaker.
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I'll give those a try as soon as I can.
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I have trouble with those as well...but I think only since one of the updates. I don't use the Kaval flute all that often....but I know I have in the past.
There were a couple others that I happened upon, as well. There could be several...but I just haven't found them yet.
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Hey Bit. Curious if you know if each progressive Kontact version upgrade is more taxing on a system than the previous version? (not counting the extra burden caused by bigger samples/patches). Thanks
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Hey Bit. Curious if you know if each progressive Kontact version upgrade is more taxing on a system than the previous version? (not counting the extra burden caused by bigger samples/patches). Thanks
I was wondering also. When doing sound edits for videos I would like to have the video apps running (like After Effects and Premiere) - so that would mean Sonar, Kontakt, AE and Premiere.
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Freddie H
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For now, no upgrade! Were are the new functions I paying for? New included library? Better I spend my money on a Library I want to use instead of getting one that I have no use for..?
post edited by Freddie H - 2011/08/07 04:29:20
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Windows 7 only is an issue for me. My 64 bit Vista system is very stable, and while I am sure there are advantages to be had upgrading to Windows 7 I am not sure I want the extra expense and upheaval at the moment.
I expect to see a new generation of third party libraries using the new features of Kontakt 5. At some stage something will force the upgrade.
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Hey Bit. Curious if you know if each progressive Kontact version upgrade is more taxing on a system than the previous version? I've never done a side-by-side test, but that would be interesting to conduct. I have K2, K3 and K4 here. All it would take is to load up something big from the K2 factory content into each version and compare. Not knowing the answer, I suspect that each version would turn in comparable results, as there have been significant optimizations along the way to help offset higher CPU demands. I'd guess that major differences would likely appear when using some of K4's new features. Libraries that make use of the AET Filter, for example, do subjectively seem more taxing. It may also depend on what effects are used (the convolution reverb seems to be a CPU-muncher).
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It's a gimmick to assure ongoing upgrade sales. FWIW, NI often updates the custom scripting capabilities with each version. If a sample library dev wants to take advantage of those new scripting capabilities... they're forced to use the new version of Kontakt. In some cases, a little script update can mean major new capabilities... or major "ease-of-use" improvement. So you can choose to dumb down your library (broad appeal)... or support only the latest version (to provide the most advanced/complete capabillites). It's a tough call... Problem IMO is lack of any serious competition  It would be a massive undertaking to compete with Kontakt. Probably a good 10 years for any serious competitior to catch up (if they can stay in business).
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I'm happy with Kontakt 4.2.3 although some of the effects are under cooked... The new offerings in K5 look interesting but you can't always believe the slick ad copy.... Hearing and using is believing... It still doesn't have the Gigastudio 3 mix environment ( brilliant) and NI doesn't want you to use any 3rd party plugins - so no VST support - but overall it's very good... I have been converting some of the sounds for ARIA,but the encryted NI files only play in K4 :( It was a good thing I had all of the Scarbee stuff before he moved over to NI... ARIA and the sfz format is the way I want travel...There's a lot of potential there.. NI have some nice software in their bag of tricks though most of the good stuff these days is written by a 3rd party and licensed to NI....
post edited by digitalboy - 2011/08/11 08:04:08
Sorry - I don't use Autotune :)
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I'm happy with Kontakt 4.2.3 although some of the effects are under cooked... IMO Kontakt's effects have always been weak, and, aside from filters, I never use them. The one feature that Kontakt needs most is VST hosting capability. That would make Kontakt a viable standalone live instrument and maybe even make me reconsider my longstanding policy of no laptops on stage.
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Another thing that Kontakt needs desparately IMHO is a complete overhaul of their "so called" mixer/output routing scheme and GUI. It sucks big time.
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What are the alternatives Kontakt? OK sfz is mentioned but I can't find any good vsts for them. I have come across "Alchemy Player may be the only sample player you ever need, since it can now load any SFZ sample library" - http://www.camelaudio.com...Definition-Samples.php Has anyone compared the two (Kontakt 4 and Alchemy Player) - what are your findings.
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Want are the alternatives Kontakt? .
Yellowtools Independence could have been a contender, but its fallen behind. They probably left it too late to ditch the dongle and did not encourage enough 3rd party development. It still remains a decent sampler with a very good factory library. The plus points are some decent effects and you can use VSTs. Its also more intuitive than Kontakt.
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Yellowtools Independence could have been a contender, but its fallen behind. They probably left it too late to ditch the dongle and did not encourage enough 3rd party development. If Magix made Indy Pro a huge development/marketing priority, it could be some competition for Kontakt. Seeing how Samplitude has fallen off the radar the past several years (at least here in the US), I don't see that happening. 
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The only problem with the .sfz format is that it needs an advanced/dedicated editor. Having to manually map samples/parameters via text file is the very definition of tedious! Advanced sample library construction is already extremely tedious. The above is like trying to tie cherry stems into knots using only your tongue. Yeah, I know Fergie can do it... but it's a real PITA for the rest of us.  A new virtual instrument that used the .sfz format... that included ultra efficient disk-streaming, custom scripts, and dedicated sample mapping/editing features would be most welcome. Problem is... Kontakt has such a technological head-start, I don't see many developers willing/able to take the risk. Especially in a weak economy...
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sgotr
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Thanks Glen for an alternative.
Don't get me wrong I have Komplete 7 - got it a few months ago and now K8 is being released. It has a lot of stuff. I read about the problem of the sliders not working right with the organs in Kontakt4 - still don't know if they have been fixed or if the fix is in Kontakt5 (being new to Kontakt4 still learning how to load things in it). What I found funny (not really funny) was that they where working before they released the update. So NI said here is a link to roll back to that version and that link is no more - so still don't know if the sliders work for the organs (the Hammond ones).
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Problem is... Kontakt has such a technological head-start, I don't see many developers willing/able to take the risk.
Especially in a weak economy...
LOL so that leads back to what alternative is there. Which there seems not to be any.
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Jim Roseberry
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Which there seems not to be any. Unfortunately... HALion 4? (Not a full replacement for Kontakt but probably the closest aside from Indy Pro)
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Another thing that Kontakt needs desparately IMHO is a complete overhaul of their "so called" mixer/output routing scheme and GUI. It sucks big time.
Listen up Pal That's what I was referring to when I mentioned the mix environment in Gigastudio 3...That was such a good mixer - with VST support and it was the perfect satellite DAW... Brilliant,brilliant brilliant...and axed by Tascam  Haven't bought another Tascam product ever since and never will again.... I am trying to make ARIA my Kontakt replacement - except for the encrypted files - and the development path is very good...I've tweaked a few sfz's,but there's nothing quite like a sample translator to do the work... I'm really happy with Dimension Pro,Rapture and z3ta+....very good workhorses - especially with the 64 bit Architecture Waveforms dropped into DP & Rapture.... I just wish that Rene was back at CW because he was the one who started it all and his foresight and genius needs to continue to flow through the product line to give the future development of those VI's real spark...
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Which there seems not to be any. Unfortunately...
HALion 4? (Not a full replacement for Kontakt but probably the closest aside from Indy Pro)
I own Halion4 and can vouch that it is very good. But the big question is going to be third party support.
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I read about the problem of the sliders not working right with the organs in Kontakt4 - still don't know if they have been fixed or if the fix is in Kontakt5 (being new to Kontakt4 still learning how to load things in it).............- so still don't know if the sliders work for the organs (the Hammond ones).
This was fixed in the 4.2.3 update.
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Jim Roseberry
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But the big question is going to be third party support. Yeah, MegaTrig is good for simple things... but custom scripts in Kontakt blow it out of the water (if you're talking about complex libraries). The fact that HALion 3 was (for all intents/purposes) "shelved/abandoned" for many months is a bit of a turn-off. That said, here's hoping HALion 4 can offer some competition for Kontakt.
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It's a gimmick to assure ongoing upgrade sales.
FWIW, NI often updates the custom scripting capabilities with each version.
If a sample library dev wants to take advantage of those new scripting capabilities... they're forced to use the new version of Kontakt. In some cases, a little script update can mean major new capabilities... or major "ease-of-use" improvement.
So you can choose to dumb down your library (broad appeal)... or support only the latest version (to provide the most advanced/complete capabillites). It's a tough call...
It's up to the library dev to provide compatibility patches, if that's their priority. I have libraries that provide patches for old versions as well as the very latest (with optimizations/enhanements for the latest version). I also use libraries that require the absolute very latest version. Depends on the library producer, nothing to do with NI marketing. Small developers + big complicated sample playback engine = limited backward compatibilty.
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The only problem with the .sfz format is that it needs an advanced/dedicated editor.
Having to manually map samples/parameters via text file is the very definition of tedious!
I just use a converter , I've converted some of my other libs.. BUT there is a problem with SFZ.. there is cakewalks version and later "tweaked" versions . with regard to the dominance of Kontakt.. it was much like back in the day with Akai 950/1000/3000 etc.. and the odd time you'd go to a place with an emu ESI etc.. BUT with later akai's the made a pigs ear of the OS and it was buggy and lost them customers. either NI will "annoy" customers with a very buggy version.. .OR the competition will come out with something REALLY next gen. that no one was expecting.
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I read about the problem of the sliders not working right with the organs in Kontakt4 - still don't know if they have been fixed or if the fix is in Kontakt5 (being new to Kontakt4 still learning how to load things in it).............- so still don't know if the sliders work for the organs (the Hammond ones).
This was fixed in the 4.2.3 update.
Thanks for the heads up on the update.
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