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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6.1 2016/10/13 17:35:20 (permalink)
I personally don't know but, I have a feeling if you have opened and saved any projects using 5.6.1 you are probably better off staying with 5.6.1.  It has to get better with the next update!

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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6.1 2016/10/14 01:29:20 (permalink)
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I personally don't know but, I have a feeling if you have opened and saved any projects using 5.6.1 you are probably better off staying with 5.6.1.  It has to get better with the next update!




well, I haven't done anything serious with K5.6.1 due to the poor performance I get - so projects are not an issue, but it did update some libraries when it installed itself at K5.6.0 ...???

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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6.1 2016/10/14 09:23:16 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby smallstonefan 2016/10/15 15:03:20
Rob, do you have background loading enabled? That'll return control back quicker, although it means you won't always know when the libraries have finished loading.
 
As a completely irrelevant aside, I'm currently working on a project that's Kontakt-heavy. Being a new computer, I don't yet know what its limits are. But I've currently got 9 instruments loaded, 3 of which are monsters. There are also 2 instances of Keyscape in the project plus Ozone and ValhallaRoom. It takes a good 2 minutes to load the project (from a conventional, non-SSD drive), but once loaded it sails along smoothly. Even when I forgot to set my buffers back to mixing size. How much of this performance can be credited to Kontakt's efficiency, I don't know. But it's making me pretty happy.
 


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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6.1 2016/10/14 11:08:52 (permalink)
I just installed Native access and updated Kontakt, I seems to be working OK here. I loaded a project with 5 Orange Tree Evolution guitars, including the enormous Drakus and Scarbee Pre bass (which also had an update) I did not find the load time excessive but the OTS products are on an SSD. Once loaded it all works fine.
 
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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6.1 2016/10/14 13:24:23 (permalink)
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Rob, do you have background loading enabled? That'll return control back quicker, although it means you won't always know when the libraries have finished loading.
 
As a completely irrelevant aside, I'm currently working on a project that's Kontakt-heavy. Being a new computer, I don't yet know what its limits are. But I've currently got 9 instruments loaded, 3 of which are monsters. There are also 2 instances of Keyscape in the project plus Ozone and ValhallaRoom. It takes a good 2 minutes to load the project (from a conventional, non-SSD drive), but once loaded it sails along smoothly. Even when I forgot to set my buffers back to mixing size. How much of this performance can be credited to Kontakt's efficiency, I don't know. But it's making me pretty happy.
 




Thanks. I fiddled with that option and have it now to background loading again ...
 
When testing this weird performance, I tried the standalone version and it seemed to work as usual - strangely, after doing this performance of VST2 version in Sonar also seems to be back to what it was. What seems different (or maybe I'm just fooling myself) is the initial waiting time when opening a Sonar project with Kontakt. It seems to be stuck for longer until it eventually comes up (and by then already has half of the K libs loaded) ...

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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6.1 2016/10/14 15:51:50 (permalink)
I'm used to projects taking ages to load in SONAR. I always have an instance of Kontakt loaded plus Trilian bass and Superior drums - so load a project and go make some coffee ;-)

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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6.1 2016/10/14 16:49:00 (permalink)
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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6.1 2016/10/14 22:22:17 (permalink)
Guyz a litlle out off tic , but is the access software knows where to update stuff ? I m still using the center here ...

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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6.1 2016/10/14 22:44:19 (permalink)
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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6.1 2016/10/14 23:02:37 (permalink)
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Guyz a litlle out off tic , but is the access software knows where to update stuff ? I m still using the center here ...



Zo,
 
From my experience, NO, it does not.  It is set up different than the Service Center and it will not seek out your current installation paths. You can try going into the preferences in Native access and setting the paths but it seems to work for some and other it does not.  If you have your 'Content' sample libraries on multiple drives there is No Way to tell it that as it only allows a single path.
 
I would suggest doing some serious research on it prior to messing with it. Also, Make sure you have everything backed up and a system image just in case it trashes your existing installation. I think it needs some serious work from NI.  Just My opinion from my experience with it.

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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6.1 2016/10/15 02:24:35 (permalink)
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I'm used to projects taking ages to load in SONAR. I always have an instance of Kontakt loaded plus Trilian bass and Superior drums - so load a project and go make some coffee ;-)



Anyone tried a "batch resave" ? Does it really speed things up? I found this when searching ... but don't have problems with missing samples, just load time could be faster ...
 
https://support.native-instruments.com/hc/en-us/articles/210274985-How-to-Resolve-Issues-with-Missing-Samples-for-a-KONTAKT-Library-Batch-re-save-
 
https://www.native-instruments.com/forum/threads/kontakt-5-loading-times-and-batch-re-save.174209/
 

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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6.1 2016/10/15 14:45:58 (permalink)
Batch re-saving is pretty much necessary if you want to load anything quickly.  It's pretty painless to do, or at least it was.  It makes a big difference on load times for a lot of non-player 3rd party libraries.  This new version of Kontakt is so awful though, I wouldn't be surprised if they changed things for batch re-saving too.
 
I also updated to Native Access to get this new Kontakt and to say I'm unhappy is an understatement.  Native Access deleted my copy of The Gentleman content and in order to get it back (without digging out my U10 Hard Drive) required I delete a bunch of registry entries by hand since even the running the Windows uninstaller wouldn't convince Native Access it should offer it for re-installation/download.  Half the time when starting NA it would spin for a long time show me my products for a second and then all the products would "vanish" from the list.  Sometimes the refresh would bring them back, but not often.
 
Just tried batch re-saving one of the new Sample Logic libraries I bought and it worked just fine, so that's a relief.  I do recommend doing the batch re-save in the stand alone Kontakt with no instruments loaded, just use the file menu option (and don't panic about the warning dialog it puts up).

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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6.1 2016/10/15 18:15:05 (permalink)
I just did a batch re-save for Kirk Hunter Concert Strings this morning. I'd done that on the old DAW but couldn't remember how much it helped, only that it did. So this time I did a before-and-after benchmark.
 
I have a large multi consisting of 6 string sections (1st and 2nd violins, 1st and 2nd violas, cellos and basses) that I loaded into standalone Kontakt. Prior to the re-save, it took about 5 minutes to fully load (meaning when the Memory usage display stops incrementing). I then rebooted the machine to eliminate the effects of caching and loaded the nkm again. This time it took 3 minutes to fully load. Still a monster, but that's a significant improvement.
 
(Note that you have to expand each instrument's UI in order to know when loading actually completes. The hourglass goes away and UI controls come to life after only 6 seconds, but with background loading enabled, samples are still being read.)
 
 
 
 


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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6.1 2016/10/16 02:11:26 (permalink)
so is the "batch resave" more a 3rd party library fix or does it also help with K10u libs (i.e. is this a defrag type of physical action or is it something like a better a indexing/assembly of non-stock libs which does not apply to something from the original vendor)?

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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6.1 2016/10/16 03:11:58 (permalink)
I have always used Service Center for all my NI updates - by 'Native Access' do you mean finding and installing the update from my NI account on their website from a browser? Not near my DAW right now to investigate.


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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6.1 2016/10/16 04:07:45 (permalink)
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I have always used Service Center for all my NI updates - by 'Native Access' do you mean finding and installing the update from my NI account on their website from a browser? Not near my DAW right now to investigate.


Native Access is the new download manager from NI...Generally, msorrals problems not withstanding, it has been well received and to me it is far superior to the old Service Center.  I'd recommend downloading it and use it going forward... I routinely had issues with the SC and NA has been a pleasure to use for me and many out there.
 

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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6.1 2016/10/16 07:51:19 (permalink)
I thought the last update had not caused me any issues but this morming Kontakt is not (or taking for ever) to load Embertone's mountain dulcimer which I have just purchased.
 
5.6 seemed to speed up loading for me, but 5.6.1 might be an issue.

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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6.1 2016/10/16 09:34:42 (permalink)
Batch re-save does help the native/full libraries as well, some more than others.  The more complex/slower loading the library the more it seems to help.
 

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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6.1 2016/10/16 10:36:54 (permalink)
Yep somthing going on here.
 
Embertone Mountain Dulcimer is experiencing excessive load times in Kontakt 5.6.1. I do think this is probably an NI issue rather than an Embertone one. Resaving the instrument (just the NKI) in Kontakt has not helped. I also resaved a second copy including the samples with no improvment. Very frustrating!
 
I mentioned this in another thread http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3499164 but thought it appropriate here as its probably related to what others are seeing.

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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6.1 2016/10/16 12:02:55 (permalink)
It seems some, but not all of my third party Kontakt libraries are also affected.
 
I have opened support tickets with Embertone and NI (sweekstake on who will reply first ) and posted on the NI forum.
 
 

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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6.1 2016/10/16 14:51:17 (permalink)
According to NI
Performing a Batch re-save will correct the file paths of the samples for all KONTAKT Instruments within a Library. 
There is no mention of it otherwise altering your libraries.
 
From my experience in the past, before I knew of Batch Re-save, I found that adding library paths to Kontakt's database usually resolved file missing errors.  Assuming my recollection is accurate - that would indicate that if Kontact can't find a sample that it searches it's database; therefore having the correct path in the library would speed up loading.
 
FWIW here's an article from NI:
How Can I Optimize the Performance of KONTAKT 5?
 
My issues with Kontact performance...
I have 24gig of RAM but it does not feel like Kontact is taking advantage of it.
With some MIDI tracks and some libraries the voice stealing is really obvious when there is ample RAM still available. 
I end up having to split the MIDI between tracks and use different instances of Kontact.
 
In regards to Kontact's database - Kontact mentions that having a high number of items in database will increase the memory footprint of Kontact and reduce the available memory for instruments.
No mention in NI's opimization guide about that.  I am wondering if pruning the database would improve things.
TBH I'm not sure what function the database even serves if all your samples are correctly mapped.
 

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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6.1 2016/10/16 15:18:20 (permalink)
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I have always used Service Center for all my NI updates - by 'Native Access' do you mean finding and installing the update from my NI account on their website from a browser? Not near my DAW right now to investigate.


Native Access is the new download manager from NI...Generally, msorrals problems not withstanding, it has been well received and to me it is far superior to the old Service Center.  I'd recommend downloading it and use it going forward... I routinely had issues with the SC and NA has been a pleasure to use for me and many out there.
 

 Thanks for the information Fastman, appreciated, and prevented me going off on a wild goose chase.


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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6.1 2016/10/16 15:20:46 (permalink)
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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6.1 2016/10/16 18:19:42 (permalink)
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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6.1 2016/10/17 16:07:12 (permalink)
Update on my Embertone Dulcimer loading issue. I moved the library to a small (40GB) partition on the SSD drive and it loads in no time. Previously it was on the 1TB cached hard drive. I am happy to get it working properly but I do wonder what the issue could have been. I hope its not hardware related.

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