Kramer Master Tape VS Slate Master Tape

KMT vs SMT

What's the opinions on this for those who have purchased Slates release and have both...

I have an opportunity to get the Kramer TT&T for $150 with the voucher...

Thanx Carl...

Do you have TT & T or just Kramer Master Tape?

clarry the VTM is better in sound ...but the kramer bundle is one of the best bundle waves make .....

The MPX (kramer tape) is less linear , i use it more like a sound design tool ...while the VTM is like a real tape in my workflow : i adds that mojo in the best natural way !!

so get both !!

To quote an expert in this area from another thread ........ me  :)

" ... US$200 for VTM [ a great plug but you need an iLok ] ......... US$250 for UAD plus card/dongle cost [ also a great plug but its not native and its not native X64 ] ................... US$ ~19 for TB ReelBus [ a great plug that is native and no iLok and is native X64 ] and which for all intents and purposes does everything the other two do ....... "

I'm not kidding - together with my mixing / mastering colleague who owns all the UAD gear and who also grabbed the VTM Demo and who bought the T/Boosters suite - we spent hours  A / B / C  'ing  the three.

The  *only*  time ReelBus was not as sonically "nice"  or " equal "  to the  other 2 was when we pushed the signal  really, really, really hard and ultra-hot - at that point,  its " distortion " / " saturation "   was not as   " smooth " or sonically pleasing  as the other 2.

However ...... and this is a MASSIVEW HOWEVER ........., given  %99.99 of people in %99.99 of situations will  *never ever* need or want to push it that hard I can see no reason [ other than brand loyalty / envy / impressing the client ]  that anyone would spend more than   EURO$15  as compared to  US$250  or  US$250 + UAD hardware.

This suite - and this plugin - aong with the Barricade [  also in the suite ]  are  by a country mile  , the  2  plugins of the year.

Enjoy.

Tim

The plug-ins in Kramer's TTT bundle can be purchase separately. If all you want is MPX Tape, you can get it for $129 over @ Audio Deluxe. ;)

I love the TTT Bundle. The HLS Channel can do marvels on guitars - it has a way to sweeten and smoothen things up. No surgical eq'ing, more like tonal balancing and shaping. And the PYE Bus can work marvels on subgroups.

cclarry

Rain


The plug-ins in Kramer's TTT bundle can be purchase separately. If all you want is MPX Tape, you can get it for $129 over @ Audio Deluxe. ;)

I love the TTT Bundle. The HLS Channel can do marvels on guitars - it has a way to sweeten and smoothen things up. No surgical eq'ing, more like tonal balancing and shaping. And the PYE Bus can work marvels on subgroups.

Thanx Rain...

That was my thought too..

Here's the kicker...I can get TT&T at AD for $155 , which is only $26 more, (and gets me 2 more $150 plugs) and I get the voucher with TT&T, which gets me another bundle at a discount..

I'm thinking that waiting for VTM to go on sale (which it will) is the way to go to buy that...

If you can get the bundle at that price PLUS the voucher, I'd say jump on it. 

I hesitated for a while because I thought it was probably good only if you were after replicating one type of sound - almost as a special effect, not necessarily usable on a regular basis. But that really isn't the case.


I'll check out Slate in due time (and after I upgrade my iLok), but MPX does a fine job. I also had Magnetic installed, but I ended up removing it from my computer. Between Waves MPX and McDSP's AC-2, I pretty much have everything I need - so that Slate plug-in better be good. :P

  I haven't got to try the Slate stuff yet. I have 3 dongles 1 ilock that I first got for some synths a few years ago. 1 ilock I got free with pro-tools M-powered and a code meter for SSL. I need ilock 2 to try the Slate stuff. I think I'll wait until I can get a plug I want, on sale that comes with one. That may be a while.
 I do have the Kramer and compared it to a UAD Studer demo and have to agree. Though the Studer seemed the better choice for the final mix or main buss. The Kramer is most useful on instruments. I've been finding more and more when a track needs a little something...the Kramer tape plug does it for me. It has become my favorite and most used waves plug. I'd get the Kramer for sure but I think if you wait until the Christmas sale, you'll get it for $99

Not trying to divert this thread, but Timboe has made a very good point.  Toneboosters' TBReelBus for EURO $15 and Barricade for the same amount are absolutely GREAT.  They are as he said the "2 plugins of the year".  I totally agree (at least for this price point).

Concerning VTM, I will wait for audiomidi or audiodeluxe to do one of their great sales sometime in the (probably distant) future and grab it.  It does sound like from users here and elsewhere that it is the one/first Slate product that turned out to be as good as advertised right out of the gate.

CCleary--you mention the limited funds (8 $ an hour) and the high cost of VTM at $250.  I would encourage you to try out TBReelBus.  Just download the demo and give it a try.  It has become my goto tape sim.  Sometimes I use Magnetic II, sometimes Kramer MPX, but TBReelBus is the first try and the one I use more than others.  So if funds are tight, I really suggest you take a close look at TBReelBus.  Just download the free demo and see for yourself.  Then, when you get the $250 or when audioxxxxx puts one on sale, grab VTM.

Again, not trying to hijack this thread, just agreeing with Timboe and saying give TBReelBus a try also.  Just my 2 cents.  YMMV. 

bapu


I've spent the children's inheritance on all the others I have. 

Ya, I'm a doofus.

+1 

cclarry


Thanx Grant...

Most I'm looking to make a killing on these...

Right now the VTM is being sold at $250 WITH or WITHOUT the Ilok....

you'd be stupid to buy the one without....get the one with and SELL the Ilok if you already have
one and get some money back...(obviously to get the download and get INSTANT grat)

I don't know WHY they would do that....pretty DUMB!  But hey....no one said Corporations
were intelligent...neither are we as they suck our wallets dry for stuff that
we already used to have and got rid of when "digital" became the "in" thing..

We paid to get OUT of analogue,,,now we pay to get BACK IN....go figure..

Wish I had the $250 I would go for it, I just sold a kidney to get a Duende  DSP card for about the same price. Turns out DSP cards are habbit forming for those with nerd tendencies.

ohgrant

cclarry


Thanx Grant...

Most I'm looking to make a killing on these...

Right now the VTM is being sold at $250 WITH or WITHOUT the Ilok....

you'd be stupid to buy the one without....get the one with and SELL the Ilok if you already have
one and get some money back...(obviously to get the download and get INSTANT grat)

I don't know WHY they would do that....pretty DUMB!  But hey....no one said Corporations
were intelligent...neither are we as they suck our wallets dry for stuff that
we already used to have and got rid of when "digital" became the "in" thing..

We paid to get OUT of analogue,,,now we pay to get BACK IN....go figure..

Wish I had the $250 I would go for it, I just sold a kidney to get a Duende  DSP card for about the same price. Turns out DSP cards are habbit forming for those with nerd tendencies.

You can bet your bippy that it will be on SALE soon!

After all the "gotta havers" have plunked down full price..

there will be a half off sale....always happens...and THAT is when I'll get it...LOL

Rain

ohgrant



Wish I had the $250 I would go for it, I just sold a kidney to get a Duende  DSP card for about the same price. Turns out DSP cards are habbit forming for those with nerd tendencies.

Say What?!!! Duende for $250? It'd be a crime to pass on that one.

I don't think he paid $250...I just think he's saying he's broke and wishes he HAD the $250 to get the VTM

bapu

cclarry

ohgrant

cclarry


Thanx Grant...

Most I'm looking to make a killing on these...

Right now the VTM is being sold at $250 WITH or WITHOUT the Ilok....

you'd be stupid to buy the one without....get the one with and SELL the Ilok if you already have
one and get some money back...(obviously to get the download and get INSTANT grat)

I don't know WHY they would do that....pretty DUMB!  But hey....no one said Corporations
were intelligent...neither are we as they suck our wallets dry for stuff that
we already used to have and got rid of when "digital" became the "in" thing..

We paid to get OUT of analogue,,,now we pay to get BACK IN....go figure..

Wish I had the $250 I would go for it, I just sold a kidney to get a Duende  DSP card for about the same price. Turns out DSP cards are habbit forming for those with nerd tendencies.

You can bet your bippy that it will be on SALE soon!

After all the "gotta havers" have plunked down full price..

there will be a half off sale....always happens...and THAT is when I'll get it...LOL

I've yet to see FG-X or VCC @ half price, IIRC. Maybe 30-40% off, maybe. I cannot imagine VTM going on sale for half price for at least a year or more (if ever). JMO.

Watch... it's be half price @ audioxxxxxxxxxxxx.com tomorrow.

LOL!!!

It'll be $20!!!  LMFAO!!

But, seriously, VCC was $149 at one point...and so was FG-X....

I'll get it...when the gettin' is CHEAPER!!!  

bapu


$149 is not 50% of $249** in my calculator. $124.50 is 50%. Just saying.

**VCC is $249 at Slate's everyday price IIRC.

Ok...let's not go picking at Straws...LOL

SOOOO....here's the technical side...

LIST price for VCC is $399.00

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/VirtConsole-e/

List price for FG-X is ALSO $399.00

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/FGX-e/ SOOOO  ---------------------------REALLY---------------

It's more then HALF off list ...


NAH...

LOL

bapu


$149 is not 50% of $249** in my calculator. $124.50 is 50%. Just saying.

**VCC is $249 at Slate's everyday price IIRC.

That is today's everyday price. I am still a bit miffed at Slate for the way they sucked me in at full boat for the VCC. I was an early adopter of the VCC and purchased it $279 (the sale price in April of 2011). Now I did get a free ilok 2 USB dongle out of the deal, but within months (Summer of 2011) they were selling them for $149! I'd say give it a few months and once Slate has sucked the money dry and sales start to flatline you will see a "deep" discount sale for the VTM, just to keep the cash flow going. As an early adopter (the VCC still had bugs to iron out), I really felt used and left a bad taste in my mouth. Slate goes on their typical 6-12 months promo build up on the forums to get people pumped up to buy at the full (or near full) so-called sale price and "beta" test for them and then put on the true "sale" price for those smart enough to hold off a few months.


Cheers,


Billy Buck