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Re:Kudos to Bakers on the New Pro Channel! 2010/11/18 20:44:49 (permalink)
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Why limit ourselves to the technology we had three decades ago? Why not offer a tool that has a dozen flavours of harmonics and various saturation curves? Give it some "Classic" presets for those that don't want to tweak too much or are not confident in their monitoring/acoustics/experience...  Why limit the compressor ratios to 4|8|12|20|infinity? There is no reason to limit things in that way in 2010. So for me this is a gimmick more than a real tool. YMMV. 

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I'm with you on that one. I can certainly see how it comes handy to have that kind of sound  - sometimes its just what is needed. But it certainly isn't magic... 

I'm also not too inclined to that type of retro hardware look GUI. There's just so many possibilities. I mean, look at those FabFilters compressors and EQs. Plug-ins no longer have to be those boring grey squares w/ a couple of sliders and text boxes (ah, those good old CFX), and there is a way to merge both paradigms and to take advantage of all that's now possible.

Worth mentioning is the fact that people working with those classic pieces of equipment often felt the need to modify them to make up for their shortcomings. I bet you that if the guys at Abbey Road could have modified their now infamous treble boxes with a single mouse click instead of having to perform surgery on the actual units, they would have done so. And the results would probably have been much closer to what they were attempting to do.


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Re:Kudos to Bakers on the New Pro Channel! 2010/11/18 21:30:50 (permalink)
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http://www.bakerprotools.com/default.asp

 
 
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Re:Kudos to Bakers on the New Pro Channel! 2010/11/18 22:49:45 (permalink)
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http://www.bakerprotools.com/default.asp

 
 
You gotta be kidding me, LMAO!
 
 

That's the first thing I clicked on when I googled. I LMAO too! lol

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Re:Kudos to Bakers on the New Pro Channel! 2010/11/19 00:20:28 (permalink)
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I don't understand why you keep calling them bakers, do you know if they smoke pot?


Old forum tradition.

Cakewalk implies they serve cakes, which is the software, so the coders are bakers of the software cake.
Ahhh, yes. That is the best explanation. Yes, the "bakers",  cakewalk, makes sense.
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mmarton - yes you're explanation makes sense too. Actually, all of the friends that I have known, that were programmers, were in fact total "bakers", and i don't mean cake.....
 
 

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Re:Kudos to Bakers on the New Pro Channel! 2010/11/19 02:40:08 (permalink)
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It is actually general programming slang. Code bakers are programmers.

i'm in the profession and that's incorrect. it's a reference to the cake in cakewalk.


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Re:Kudos to Bakers on the New Pro Channel! 2010/11/19 04:17:25 (permalink)
did we already get these on here?

http://www.keyboardmag.com/article.aspx?id=123195

I thought it gave a bit more of a taste with the pro channel

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Re:Kudos to Bakers on the New Pro Channel! 2010/11/19 06:31:14 (permalink)
re: Code Baking

Here is an article about Bitbake, a cross compiler:

http://www.linux-magazine...Beagleblog/Baking-Bits

I don't know if it the software works etc... but I do know that if I find 2 more examples of baking used in print in this manner the Oxford English Dictionary is going to back up Mr Undertows assertions about that this use of the word exists within the English language . ;-)

I have enjoyed the term bakers being used to describe the Cakewalk team because it has, to my mind, seemed like a clever double entendre.

The attack the messenger game is getting old up here... I promised to be nice this week... so that is all I have to say.




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Re:Kudos to Bakers on the New Pro Channel! 2010/11/19 06:57:18 (permalink)
Here is an article you can find it reprinted in a variety of places.

I figured the pro programmers here would enjoy reading it at the Intel website:

Multi Platform Data baking:

http://software.intel.com...iplatform-data-baking/


I'm starting to suspect that the Oxford English Dictionary already knows about this... does anyone have a subscription to the OED?



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Re:Kudos to Bakers on the New Pro Channel! 2010/11/19 07:06:04 (permalink)
Here's an article written in Canadian. I guess the Oxford English Dictionary accepts stuff from the common wealth. :-)

It refers to "Shake and Bake" and has a nifty flow chart with the "Shake and Bake" process featured in Red ink.

http://www.microarch.org/micro34/talks/wilson.pdf

That is 3 examples... which is usually enough to establish that any particular use of a word will be recognized by the ultimate authority on the English language... the OED.


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Re:Kudos to Bakers on the New Pro Channel! 2010/11/19 12:45:09 (permalink)
@mike i have no idea if you think you're being witty or clever or whatever, but in any case, "bakers" is not slang for programmers.
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Re:Kudos to Bakers on the New Pro Channel! 2010/11/19 13:01:04 (permalink)
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I don't understand why you keep calling them bakers, do you know if they smoke pot?


No.... It's a nickname from the early days of 12 Tones music and it refers to those who Bake The Cake...

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Re:Kudos to Bakers on the New Pro Channel! 2010/11/19 15:03:57 (permalink)
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@mike i have no idea if you think you're being witty or clever or whatever, but in any case, "bakers" is not slang for programmers.


I am being logical... it is entirely illogical to state, especially in the face of standing facts and existing examples, that something does not exist.

You made an argument and I responded by pointing out 3 examples that prove the statement is based on a fallacy. Game over.

If you find that witty or clever... then let's enjoy a nice smile together.

:-)

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edited for clarity... I feel my sentences did not make sense on the first try.
post edited by mike_mccue - 2010/11/19 17:20:15


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Re:Kudos to Bakers on the New Pro Channel! 2010/11/19 15:45:46 (permalink)
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@mike i have no idea if you think you're being witty or clever or whatever, but in any case, "bakers" is not slang for programmers.

Because you haven't heard of it it is fact?

Here a couple more references to baking code:

http://www.codechef.com/CB109/
http://www.elance.com/s/djenniex   (This guy even calls himself an "Expert Code Baker").

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Re:Kudos to Bakers on the New Pro Channel! 2010/11/19 16:16:54 (permalink)
It's more about the Cake in CAKEWALK in our case. They're baking a Cake (Cakewalk product).

I didn't think that would be so confusing to people.

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Re:Kudos to Bakers on the New Pro Channel! 2010/11/19 19:07:16 (permalink)

Why limit ourselves to the technology we had three decades ago?


Yer man from SSL makes a good point there, but it's arguably a slightly hypocritical one, given that SSL's entire Duende product range (and XLogic to a lesser extent) is about emulating their own console strip and buss effects from three decades ago.

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Re:Kudos to Bakers on the New Pro Channel! 2010/11/19 20:44:35 (permalink)
Two points to make ...

1. Calling our coders Bakers is totally acceptable and has nothing to do with smoking, although we understand that reference.

2. There will be a new ProChannel video dropping imminently.
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Re:Kudos to Bakers on the New Pro Channel! 2010/11/19 20:53:33 (permalink)
YAY! More gassing vids to make me hope it's the 8th already

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Re:Kudos to Bakers on the New Pro Channel! 2010/11/19 20:55:59 (permalink)
I'm increasingly excited about the ProChannel. I'm surprised there hasn't been more comment on the effort-free parallel compression; what a fantastic feature that is.

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Re:Kudos to Bakers on the New Pro Channel! 2010/11/19 22:37:29 (permalink)
Tried the channel strip today , first contact : impressed !!
My friend (uad owner) : damn now i wonder why keeping my uad !!!!! he doesn't have a lot of uad plugs but he got the neve cs !!

I kinda stressed because the new window stuff everytime i moved some it go here and here ...ect ....

HD screen a must !!

The new smart tool is great , disturbing first then great !!
i spend 10 minutes findind the auto quantize witch is placed in the CS !!
Been with some friends : verdict all future x1 owners!!

Cons: on small resolution , no cs scrool to see it all on the track inspector view....
also no mouse scroll support (for the channel strip) .....defenitly some to do !!

big channel layout on the consol , small pan knob and track name display size because of the number of the track ....weird ...

been able also to change some color ....but you have to relaunch the apps to take effects.....not good at this point (still beta)

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not jealous! :grrrrrrr:

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Re:Kudos to Bakers on the New Pro Channel! 2010/11/20 04:28:46 (permalink)
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Two points to make ...

1. Calling our coders Bakers is totally acceptable and has nothing to do with smoking, although we understand that reference.

I've use that word 'Bakers' quite a lot on these forums, I never intended 'Bakers' to be offensive, I think that word is a really cool way to describe Cakewalk's developers (coders)!

Also, I have a gut feeling the Bakers have baked (X1) the finest Cake ever baked :)








Oh Yeah man, it's smoking!!



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Re:Kudos to Bakers on the New Pro Channel! 2010/11/20 10:18:48 (permalink)
X1 could very well be our finest Cake to date. I really think you all are going to like X1. In the meantime, as promised, a new Get Started - ProChannel video is up ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHAVNgcF8Pk
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Re:Kudos to Bakers on the New Pro Channel! 2010/11/20 10:32:40 (permalink)
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Why limit ourselves to the technology we had three decades ago?


Yer man from SSL makes a good point there, but it's arguably a slightly hypocritical one, given that SSL's entire Duende product range (and XLogic to a lesser extent) is about emulating their own console strip and buss effects from three decades ago.
Paul Frindle hasn't worked for SSL in a very long time. He went on to , amongst other things, work for Sony as part of the team that created the Sony Oxford digital console and later the Oxford plugin range. He is now half of Pro Audio DSP: http://www.proaudiodsp.com/about/

I think you will find that Paul is very much into new technology and ground breaking designs rather than emulations of older technology. No hypocrisy there.

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Re:Kudos to Bakers on the New Pro Channel! 2010/11/20 11:06:56 (permalink)
Yes,
 It was Paul who explained that the problems with digital bottlenecks on the classic SSL consoles is the reason that the wide spread hysteria about getting close to 0DBFS while tracking became so fashionable... and then he implies that on more modern systems the work around of tracking at low levels is no longer necessary.

He has a wealth of detailed information to share if you take the time to follow the details .

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Re:Kudos to Bakers on the New Pro Channel! 2011/06/02 18:39:08 (permalink)
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studiofreak

This is true.  But as far as I can tell, Heat is HD only. 

I would really love to know how the new pro channel compares to its modeling counterparts like UA and Waves?
I'm thinking about doing a quick test using the new Pro-channel in 1176 mode vs the UAD-2 1176 plug vs a real 1176.  Ditto for the SSL comp mode and my real SSL bus comp.  Not sure when I'll get to it but I'll post results if anyone is interested.


Dean


hello,
i pulled this thread out from a search and was really hoping to find the post with the a/b/c comparisons. unfortunately, the thread is a cliff hanger...

 i am especially curious to know this since the release of the t-racks 1176-type plugin.
any chance of anyone following this up? i bet a lot of people on the forum would dig it.
thanks.

edit:
or maybe this has already been done in another thread?
if so, i couldn't find it.
thanks again.
post edited by M@ B - 2011/06/02 19:39:40

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Re:Kudos to Bakers on the New Pro Channel! 2011/06/02 20:05:09 (permalink)
noticed the new IK plugs this morning. Interesting. Too bad they weren't around in the cheap singles noticed the new IK plugs this morning. Interesting. Too bad they weren't around in the cheap singles promo last month. I guess that's probably not accidental. I still haven't really assessed the Pro Channel's 1176, would be interesting to A/B it against the IK demo (I don't have UAD or Waves stuff to compare it to). But I'm likely more interested in the IK 'white' model (LA2A)... 

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Re:Kudos to Bakers on the New Pro Channel! 2011/06/02 20:26:29 (permalink)
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But I'm likely more interested in the IK 'white' model (LA2A)... 


I'll back you on that one. And also the RND Portico plugs... if the damn things ever get released. "Available soon" my arse...

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Re:Kudos to Bakers on the New Pro Channel! 2011/06/02 22:43:36 (permalink)
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Two points to make ...

1. Calling our coders Bakers is totally acceptable and has nothing to do with smoking, although we understand that reference.

2. There will be a new ProChannel video dropping imminently.

Gag - stop encouraging them, lol

Anyone referring to developers as 'bakers' must take a picture of themselves and use it as an avatar. We will see a lot of people wearing dresses. Keni's big hat already looks like a dress, so he's already set. 


Gag again! lol






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Re:Kudos to Bakers on the New Pro Channel! 2011/06/02 22:57:57 (permalink)
M@ B


Razorwit


studiofreak

This is true.  But as far as I can tell, Heat is HD only. 

I would really love to know how the new pro channel compares to its modeling counterparts like UA and Waves?
I'm thinking about doing a quick test using the new Pro-channel in 1176 mode vs the UAD-2 1176 plug vs a real 1176.  Ditto for the SSL comp mode and my real SSL bus comp.  Not sure when I'll get to it but I'll post results if anyone is interested.


Dean


hello,
i pulled this thread out from a search and was really hoping to find the post with the a/b/c comparisons. unfortunately, the thread is a cliff hanger...

i am especially curious to know this since the release of the t-racks 1176-type plugin.
any chance of anyone following this up? i bet a lot of people on the forum would dig it.
thanks.

edit:
or maybe this has already been done in another thread?
if so, i couldn't find it.
thanks again.

Hi M@B
I threw together a quick comparison for you.
Quick drum loop, dry and then compressed using PC76, UAD1176, IK Black 76 and a hardware 1176.  All have peak volumes within .2db of one another to try and avoid Fletcher-Munson problems.  I tried to have all the compressors show about 4 db of deflection on the VU's, but to try and keep somewhat consistant sounds the hardware and IK unit had to have a bit more and the ProChannel less (the ProChannel feels MUCH more sensitive...4db of compresson on the PC seems like a lot more compression than the others).
 
Just for fun I also was playing with A/B'ing tube saturation last night on a kick drum.  I used both the type I and type II ProChannel emulations and then a chameleon labs 7802 for an example of a real tube.  I didn't pay as close attention last night to levels, so you probably want to adjust them yourself before doing an A/B.
 
1176 samples here: 1176
Tube samples here: tube
 
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