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Re:LOL Andrew dumped....
2013/02/10 09:57:11
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paulo
the best way to deal with any forum troublemakers is to just ignore them. .
That has been said here, on this form of Cakes for over 15 years that I'm aware of.
...the problem is that it will never happen.
Yeah, I guess there will always be some who will rise to the bait, but I just let that be their problem. It's just the internet and some ego arguing the toss with some other ego is quite ridiculous when you actually step back and think about what they are actually doing...just picture them sat on their little sofa in their little house getting all wound up and shouty with some words on a computer screen, written by who knows who that they don't even have to look at if they don't want to. Having a time comsuming argument with someone you don't even know who may or may not be the person they claim to be - it's just funny really and if nothing else should give everyone elses self esteem a little boost 'cos however bad you sometimes feel about yourself, at least your not that **** . * insert four letter word of your choice. ;)
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Re:LOL Andrew dumped....
2013/02/10 10:19:05
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Sure there will be. Some have a great time with them. That's cool by me for folks to do what they enjoy.
I think having a log-in for those that have purchased the software has many benefits.
It would be much easier for Andrew to flush trolls and the troublemakers that don't own the software....they'd all be in one place.
It would make it better for the people that like to play with trolls and troublemakers that haven't purchased the software as they'd pretty much "rounded up". ( I know, that was just funny to me)
I would also like to see a "forum MUD-room" in the "registered member forums" where those that have fun hammering could take it to the "mud room" and those that liked to rubber-neck or join in would have an easy way to find them.
So...it helps Cake and it helps members....it also shows those that just become a member to "rub" and troll...that Cake has a good plan for them and a good one for its members.
Paul some folks enjoy playing with trolls. I don't care and think they should be able to.. at least it's their choice. People gravitate to their enjoyments and if that's one...so be it.
I know you agree that we have long-time members that do- so...it'll never stop.
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Re:LOL Andrew dumped....
2013/02/10 10:48:52
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but imagine a world where some of the big egos around here suddenly had the power to intervene in and delete threads. Thankfully there aren't many of those people here. That being said, I have to agree.. I think. It is usually best to err on the side of freedom and though, as I said above, I have seen and been part of forums that really got nasty there was still always a group of good people and there was a sort of charm to the "Wild West" atomsphere of the early forums in the 90s. I wouldn't want to go back to that because it really did get out of hand and people got hurt. Things got so personal with the lax moderation that one guy was actually calling and emailing another person's employer trying to get them fired over "words on a page". Some moderation is needed, then again the sort of person who makes trouble just for the ake of making trouble is a real rarity here, if they exist here at all. I have come to think that is something that happens when the owner or admin of a board is a jerk. When they, the admin, are decent people like here, the board tends to attract decent people. OF course there are a few here who seem to be able to see right through the crap and call a troublemaker out right quick like... I think that helps. Earlier I mentioned the original HCGF. It imploded with the craziness and a group of what I consider to be the better folk formed a new forum that is now a quiet little board called the Guitar Diner. Scott sold the HCGF for some big bucks and it now seems to be the haunt of teens and 20somethings. IIRC, The gearpage, also grew out of that mess and is now a pretty good place, the GD is where most of the older people went... they have a "Grill Room" forum there that I pretty much stay out of because it is politics and religion and other stuff that people get excited over. My views seem to be in the minority and the opposition can be pretty nasty... BUT... it is seperate and I don't have to go there. Steve,the guy who runs the GD still has a daily battle with some of the same troublemakers (two people) from the late 90s who constantly try to create accounts and get back in... it makes one wonder. All things considered, this is a great place with great people. Even those who tend to get easily ruffled don't get really nasty and only the truly thin skinned people leave... SO... IMO... things are running quite well here and it would probably be a real good time to remember the old saying, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". An obvious spammer like the one who has been hitting the forum last week should be banned and the posts deleted, HOWEVER it is a risk... some of these people may then make it their mission to kick it up a notch and start creating a lot of accounts, faster than anyone can delete them and cover the place up out of spite. It may be a better strategy to ignore them until they realize it isn't worth their time and just go away. I really wouldn't want one of these people to make it their mission in life to make it miserable for us. Cakewalk has enough to do without having to deal with that. I like this place! J
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Re:LOL Andrew dumped....
2013/02/10 10:58:22
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I think having a log-in for those that have purchased the software has many benefits. I guess that would be OK as long as it didn't exclude the honestly curious. Maybe Cake could somehow mark users who are owners. Maybe also what version they are updated to, I don't know... but I don't think it would be a good idea to lock things down and exclude people who aren't troublemakers. I would never want to risk having the cure be worse than the disease.
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Re:LOL Andrew dumped....
2013/02/10 11:00:49
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As for those who think that volunteer admins would help, I can sort see your point as far as the simple deletion of spam goes, but imagine a world where some of the big egos around here suddenly had the power to intervene in and delete threads. I think I'd rather have the spam and verbal handbags any day.
This subject came up once a while ago but it never went anywhere. Looking back, I'm glad it didn't. I do think when they update the forum software, things will change. Right now we don't have any of that side-bar crap with ad's from 3rd party vendors blasting us in the face all the time. All we have are some generic Roland messages at the top, and those are rarely updated. Wait until real money gets involved with advertising on the forum. Then you'll see a change. It will be an Ad-Fest and will be monitored to a pulp. So, like I always say, "Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it."
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Re:LOL Andrew dumped....
2013/02/10 11:08:25
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Boxing matches have referees. This forum should be moderated... back handed threats referring to a willingness to pay for someone's dental work after you are done force feeding them your opinion don't last very long on forums like Gearslutz. A post such as that would be moderated swiftly. The guys making money from managing the Gearslutz site traffic know that childish outbursts like that are a distraction that hurt all forum users and they will not put up with it. It's a testament to Cakewalk's lack of clear leadership that the policies regarding civil disagreement have become so ambiguous at this forum. best regards, mike
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Re:LOL Andrew dumped....
2013/02/10 11:15:48
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This forum is from a different era. The people that created this forum are long gone and the 'Facebook' generation that has replaced them doesn't care about forums.
Once advertising and the potential for revenue comes in to play, then the grumpy old 38 year old's in management that worry about the bottom line will start making the 20 somethings care, or they'll step in and do it themselves.
Time will tell.
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Re:LOL Andrew dumped....
2013/02/10 11:39:00
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I think having a log-in for those that have purchased the software has many benefits.
I guess that would be OK as long as it didn't exclude the honestly curious. Maybe Cake could somehow mark users who are owners. Maybe also what version they are updated to, I don't know... but I don't think it would be a good idea to lock things down and exclude people who aren't troublemakers. I would never want to risk having the cure be worse than the disease.
I guess you didn't read #13. Maybe my idea of how things should be is scattered... There would be a forum for anybody...then there would be a forum with sub forums just has it is now. The only difference is that everybody in it would be those that owned the software. It would simply mean that those that didn't own the software would not be "seen" or participating in threads with those that do and are logged-in as registered owners. The reasons I think it's a good idea are easy to understand.....and I'll say again, it's not my idea. I just liked it when I read it.
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Re:LOL Andrew dumped....
2013/02/10 12:22:41
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Right now we don't have any of that side-bar crap with ad's from 3rd party vendors blasting us in the face all the time. All we have are some generic Roland messages at the top, and those are rarely updated. Wait until real money gets involved with advertising on the forum. Then you'll see a change. It will be an Ad-Fest and will be monitored to a pulp. We really do have it good here Bub. There was another forum I used to visit, not music related. I drifted away for a while and one day I decided to visit. It was gone and in it was a Facebook page. I tried to use it, tried to like it... but not for long. Gone was the ability to start a thread, the FB version just had topics started by the admins that people could comment on... it was/is sad and useless. I would hate to see that here. I think I am going to catch up on Cakewalk YT videos and finish Karl's SWA today. This is disturbing somehow... J
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Re:LOL Andrew dumped....
2013/02/10 12:31:16
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I think I am going to catch up on Cakewalk YT videos and finish Karl's SWA today. This is disturbing somehow...
J
Yeah, I'm going to sign off now too and try to resurrect that project that got corrupted last night. I'm sure you saw the 'Look Here Kiddies' thread. I think I'm going to back out a while like I was planning before. I'm really tired of the constant barrage of attacks and dual standards and this whole place has been quite disturbing to me lately to be honest. Just not fun any more.
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Re:LOL Andrew dumped....
2013/02/10 14:24:58
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Boxing matches have referees.
This forum should be moderated... back handed threats referring to a willingness to pay for someone's dental work after you are done force feeding them your opinion don't last very long on forums like Gearslutz. A post such as that would be moderated swiftly. The guys making money from managing the Gearslutz site traffic know that childish outbursts like that are a distraction that hurt all forum users and they will not put up with it.
It's a testament to Cakewalk's lack of clear leadership that the policies regarding civil disagreement have become so ambiguous at this forum.
best regards,
mike
It was "force feeding an ocean of stfu" not an opinion. If you are going to mention what I say, say it correctly. If force feeding an ocean of stfu damaged any dental work, I offered to pay for it. I think that's quite generous of me, yes? To think that an entire ocean could be rammed down someone's throat even being possible shows YOUR hatred towards me to even bring it up and cheer for the trouble-maker. And, it is my choice as to whether I decide to be violent with someone if they decide to attack me or stalk the majority of my posts with sarcasm as Pete has done while the moderators do nothing. Speaking of moderation, you're a prime candidate to be moderated with all the trouble you've started past and present. You've pretty much taken turns with your passive/agressive personality with how many people on this forum? You'd be surprised at how many people you've hurt. The difference is, some of us like myself won't stand for your outbursts of "snark". You do know that word was created on your bahalf right? Poll the forum...anyone knows snark=you. There's no way you act all snarky in real life to people like you do on this forum. If that were the case, the pics you post of yourself would be sporting black eyes and split lips. If the mods don't like me upset, they should do something to the people that are out of line upsetting me as all I do is come here to share information for the price of an internet connection. And unlike you, I can share WITH and BY examples that work...not just technical mumbo jumbo that doesn't make sense...nor do you practice what you preach to deliver any goods worth listening to. See what I get? I posted a rather nice final post in that guitar thread you attempted to ruin saying I didn't hate you and I'd even help you if you took the time to stop acting like you knew everything. What do I get...you come on here and quote me like I've done something wrong. Pete is a nuisance to me. That is not your concern nor is it your problem. You stick up for a dude like that when all he's done is try to bring people down and upset them on this forum? Pfff....I've really lost respect for you now. I have the right to say what I want when the mods do not defend me and I've been upset by someone. Accept it...don't contribute to the problem when YOU are seriously a part of problem. It's just that no one but me, Jonbuoy and Steve have the guts to tell you that. I don't like to be messed with by anyone, is that such a problem? I don't want to war with words, or war with anyone. I just want to help people and do my best at all times while NEVER lashing out unless someone has an attitude. Got a problem with me, we can solve it off the forum so no one needs to read it. But I won't sit here and take anyone's crap when they have made me feel the need to defend myself. That's the deal in a nutshell. You accept it, or you don't. It's cut and dry. Moderate the problem people and the problems in our forums go away. Instead, it's perfectly acceptable for cool people to have to take abuse and they are out of line for defending themselves? Or have someone like you attack the living crap out of me (remember the senseless ARC thread that wasn't even your fight?) or Karl (FastBikerBoy) when we've done more in a years time to help people in depth on this forum than you have the whole time you've been here? Not in my world "big guy". You're more of a problem than Pete. -Danny
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Re:LOL Andrew dumped....
2013/02/10 15:01:21
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Danny, Mike like everyone else knew it was a figure of speech. It's probably unwise to say stuff like that on a forum because folk can take it literally and make something out of a conversation if we were having face to face would be considered as something throwaway. Having said that Mike knows about pushing buttons and talks about civil disagreement, I'd say he was as nasty a piece of work as anyone yet likes to hide it behind a socially acceptable veneer. It's designed to pee you off and is in every bit as abusive, trouble is hidden motives don't show up after the event and are more difficult to criticise because he will swear black is white that he's innocent of such motives, trouble is when you write the actual words describing frustration that many folk are comfortable using because they know they are not meant literally you leave yourself open to criticisms like Mike's and he'll take an easy opportunity like that every time. I'd suggest editing out the offending statement just for the sake of not making yourself a target, we all know who is who around here and where we are coming from anyway. I ain't going to think any less of you for posting it and I'm not going to think anything more of Mike for his input. So it's just a suggestion mate but I'd just alter those words and be done with. Don't allow him the ammo, he's shown himself as a sad and desparate man on many occasion and is always trying to look more impressive than he is, don't make it your problem! The amount of times my Mrs has threatend to 'kill me' still haven't prompted me to get her arrested for attempted murder, normally there's just a humourous chase around the room where she gets the better of me as a result usually. Trouble is if it got written down it could be taken out of context by someone wanting to make some mileage out of it. When you are as open about your feelings as you are Danny it shows your unguarded nature, the REAL nasty peices of work tend to make sure they come across as respectable because they are aware they have something to hide. I'm suspecting that's what has happened here. And if you ever say to me that you'll pay for my dentistry, after I've punched your lights out I'll remind you that I don't have a tooth left in my head already, I'd have to get someone to hold on to my dentures before we started fighting... 
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Re:LOL Andrew dumped....
2013/02/10 15:22:17
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Re:LOL Andrew dumped....
2013/02/10 15:23:43
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Anyone fancy a pint?
Roight, outside you, grrrrr
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Re:LOL Andrew dumped....
2013/02/10 15:29:29
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Re:LOL Andrew dumped....
2013/02/10 15:31:11
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Re:LOL Andrew dumped....
2013/02/10 15:32:38
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Someone hold his stick!
Bang goes my theory, I didn't even write that down and it gets used against me...
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Re:LOL Andrew dumped....
2013/02/10 15:33:01
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Calm down calm down calm down... 
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Re:LOL Andrew dumped....
2013/02/10 15:46:53
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Re:LOL Andrew dumped....
2013/02/10 15:53:42
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The amount of times my Mrs has threatend to 'kill me' still haven't prompted me to get her arrested for attempted murder, normally there's just a humourous chase around the room where she gets the better of me as a result usually. Trouble is if it got written down it could be taken out of context by someone wanting to make some mileage out of it.
I'm not going to dig up old wounds here. I am 100% cool with Danny, and I hope he is with me ... ... but, Jonbouy, you are 100% wrong on this. He means what he says. He may (or may not) regret some of the things he says at a later time, but he means every word of it. And I'm pretty sure he's going to come back and verify this for me. If I'm wrong, then I do truly apologize and I'll remove my post. Every time my x-wife said she was going to kill me, I ducked, and left the house, because she meant it. The final 'blow' so to speak was when she came after me with a butchers knife. That was the night I packed my crap up and left. Back to my music. Toodles.
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Re:LOL Andrew dumped....
2013/02/10 16:23:49
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Sure there will be. Some have a great time with them. That's cool by me for folks to do what they enjoy.
I think having a log-in for those that have purchased the software has many benefits.
It would be much easier for Andrew to flush trolls and the troublemakers that don't own the software....they'd all be in one place.
It would make it better for the people that like to play with trolls and troublemakers that haven't purchased the software as they'd pretty much "rounded up". ( I know, that was just funny to me)
I would also like to see a "forum MUD-room" in the "registered member forums" where those that have fun hammering could take it to the "mud room" and those that liked to rubber-neck or join in would have an easy way to find them.
So...it helps Cake and it helps members....it also shows those that just become a member to "rub" and troll...that Cake has a good plan for them and a good one for its members.
Paul some folks enjoy playing with trolls. I don't care and think they should be able to.. at least it's their choice. People gravitate to their enjoyments and if that's one...so be it.
I know you agree that we have long-time members that do- so...it'll never stop.
this is a really good post, its got a little bit of everything in it and hopefully andrew will read these posts,exspecially this one spacey. your a nobel guy. made me understand a few things myself,im guilty of feeding those trolls as well. i dont think i find as much entertainment in it as i feel im trying to set things straight for a possible new user who would read something like that and think"wow,i guess cakewalk sucs" i dont want someone thinking thats true. no if they a legitimate grip then by all means there is a way to convey your thoughts in a respectful manner,even when you are upset. but you know as well as i,there arent upset users,these are trolls. ive become very defensive now to almost any post i read that resembles godparticles work. now im not sure and i do not want to be saying something im not sure about but it is possible and i believe he's got like 5 accounts. and the worst thing about it...hes answering himself in these posts to detrimental questions.(even praising his own posts) one of his posts was something along the lines of,"so i really cant do this? and then he answers himself in another account saying"No it definetly cant. like i said it would be wrong for me to make such accusations and at first i thought i was just paranoid. but he even mis-spells the same words. i was one of the first people to mention only giving accounts out to registered users. bapu replied something back to me like"you dont need to have your email the same as your account". and i said yes but if asked by a mod you would need to have it present. but it seems as this thread is rolling on you and the others have put your heads together and fin tuned some details and come up with new ideas. i think the problem lays with what about new users looking for help with demo? i think it was bapu again(not sure) who said,give them their own special forum.great idea right there. i would be happy to spend as much time helping people in another part of the forum as i would the registered users forum. there are some really good ideas flowing around here.
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Re:LOL Andrew dumped....
2013/02/10 16:48:03
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spacey
Sure there will be. Some have a great time with them. That's cool by me for folks to do what they enjoy.
I think having a log-in for those that have purchased the software has many benefits.
It would be much easier for Andrew to flush trolls and the troublemakers that don't own the software....they'd all be in one place.
It would make it better for the people that like to play with trolls and troublemakers that haven't purchased the software as they'd pretty much "rounded up". ( I know, that was just funny to me)
I would also like to see a "forum MUD-room" in the "registered member forums" where those that have fun hammering could take it to the "mud room" and those that liked to rubber-neck or join in would have an easy way to find them.
So...it helps Cake and it helps members....it also shows those that just become a member to "rub" and troll...that Cake has a good plan for them and a good one for its members.
Paul some folks enjoy playing with trolls. I don't care and think they should be able to.. at least it's their choice. People gravitate to their enjoyments and if that's one...so be it.
I know you agree that we have long-time members that do- so...it'll never stop.
this is a really good post,
its got a little bit of everything in it and hopefully andrew will read these posts,exspecially this one spacey.
your a nobel guy.
made me understand a few things myself,im guilty of feeding those trolls as well.
i dont think i find as much entertainment in it as i feel im trying to set things straight for a possible new user who would read something like that and think"wow,i guess cakewalk sucs" i dont want someone thinking thats true.
no if they a legitimate grip then by all means there is a way to convey your thoughts in a respectful manner,even when you are upset.
but you know as well as i,there arent upset users,these are trolls.
ive become very defensive now to almost any post i read that resembles godparticles work.
now im not sure and i do not want to be saying something im not sure about but it is possible and i believe
he's got like 5 accounts.
and the worst thing about it...hes answering himself in these posts to detrimental questions.(even praising his own posts)
one of his posts was something along the lines of,"so i really cant do this? and then he answers himself in another account saying"No it definetly cant.
like i said it would be wrong for me to make such accusations and at first i thought i was just paranoid.
but he even mis-spells the same words.
i was one of the first people to mention only giving accounts out to registered users.
bapu replied something back to me like"you dont need to have your email the same as your account".
and i said yes but if asked by a mod you would need to have it present.
but it seems as this thread is rolling on you and the others have put your heads together and fin tuned some details and come up with new ideas.
i think the problem lays with what about new users looking for help with demo?
i think it was bapu again(not sure) who said,give them their own special forum.great idea right there.
i would be happy to spend as much time helping people in another part of the forum as i would the registered users forum.
there are some really good ideas flowing around here.
I agree with you that slobfarticle has multiple accounts. Some may say it's just being paranoid, but everyone writes in a recognizable "voice" that it's very hard to disguise. I believe there is software available that will compare one piece of text and another and evaluate the probability of both authors being the same - it has a lot to do with repeated use of certain phrases, frequency of words and punctuation style. However sometimes you can spot it a mile off just by reading it. There is a certain flow and rhythm to a person's writing which is unmistakable. And when the writer tries to disguise it by deliberately adopting a different punctuation style and inserting spelling mistakes etc, it comes across as forced and you can spot that too.
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Re:LOL Andrew dumped....
2013/02/10 16:48:20
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chuckebaby
spacey
Sure there will be. Some have a great time with them. That's cool by me for folks to do what they enjoy.
I think having a log-in for those that have purchased the software has many benefits.
It would be much easier for Andrew to flush trolls and the troublemakers that don't own the software....they'd all be in one place.
It would make it better for the people that like to play with trolls and troublemakers that haven't purchased the software as they'd pretty much "rounded up". ( I know, that was just funny to me)
I would also like to see a "forum MUD-room" in the "registered member forums" where those that have fun hammering could take it to the "mud room" and those that liked to rubber-neck or join in would have an easy way to find them.
So...it helps Cake and it helps members....it also shows those that just become a member to "rub" and troll...that Cake has a good plan for them and a good one for its members.
Paul some folks enjoy playing with trolls. I don't care and think they should be able to.. at least it's their choice. People gravitate to their enjoyments and if that's one...so be it.
I know you agree that we have long-time members that do- so...it'll never stop.
this is a really good post,
its got a little bit of everything in it and hopefully andrew will read these posts,exspecially this one spacey.
your a nobel guy.
made me understand a few things myself,im guilty of feeding those trolls as well.
i dont think i find as much entertainment in it as i feel im trying to set things straight for a possible new user who would read something like that and think"wow,i guess cakewalk sucs" i dont want someone thinking thats true.
no if they a legitimate grip then by all means there is a way to convey your thoughts in a respectful manner,even when you are upset.
but you know as well as i,there arent upset users,these are trolls.
ive become very defensive now to almost any post i read that resembles godparticles work.
now im not sure and i do not want to be saying something im not sure about but it is possible and i believe
he's got like 5 accounts.
and the worst thing about it...hes answering himself in these posts to detrimental questions.(even praising his own posts)
one of his posts was something along the lines of,"so i really cant do this? and then he answers himself in another account saying"No it definetly cant.
like i said it would be wrong for me to make such accusations and at first i thought i was just paranoid.
but he even mis-spells the same words.
i was one of the first people to mention only giving accounts out to registered users.
bapu replied something back to me like"you dont need to have your email the same as your account".
and i said yes but if asked by a mod you would need to have it present.
but it seems as this thread is rolling on you and the others have put your heads together and fin tuned some details and come up with new ideas.
i think the problem lays with what about new users looking for help with demo?
i think it was bapu again(not sure) who said,give them their own special forum.great idea right there.
i would be happy to spend as much time helping people in another part of the forum as i would the registered users forum.
there are some really good ideas flowing around here.
Thank you Charlie. I guess some organizing would help. I sure think it would be worth a try. I don't know what it takes or what it costs but I do think that if one considers how long it's been like it is we can't say they spend to much time and money having a good forum. The worst part IMO is that I feel many of our ideas and requests only go so far. Even if there are good ones and even if we all agreed I don't think we're part of the equation. Now before you or anybody confronts me on that...I base it on many years of people asking for downright solid suggestions for features and corrections to the software and forum and they weren't addressed. I don't care to dig up bones but I sure wouldn't have that opinion if they hadn't given it to me...it's not like I just sit around making things up about this LOL. It doesn't mean that much to me. I do care enough to participate and contribute what I can....but that's for you friends here...not for Cake. Like I said...they don't need me or my opinions anyway. I don't see trolls and troublemakers as a real bad thing when I feel like having fun hammering on them. There are days when I feel like an ass and act as one. It's fun. There are some very funny people around here. Then there are days I wish they were confined so I didn't have it distracting me. Well it is possible to have it both ways....but with Cake I just don't think it's very probable.
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Re:LOL Andrew dumped....
2013/02/10 16:56:50
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spacey
chuckebaby
spacey
Sure there will be. Some have a great time with them. That's cool by me for folks to do what they enjoy.
I think having a log-in for those that have purchased the software has many benefits.
It would be much easier for Andrew to flush trolls and the troublemakers that don't own the software....they'd all be in one place.
It would make it better for the people that like to play with trolls and troublemakers that haven't purchased the software as they'd pretty much "rounded up". ( I know, that was just funny to me)
I would also like to see a "forum MUD-room" in the "registered member forums" where those that have fun hammering could take it to the "mud room" and those that liked to rubber-neck or join in would have an easy way to find them.
So...it helps Cake and it helps members....it also shows those that just become a member to "rub" and troll...that Cake has a good plan for them and a good one for its members.
Paul some folks enjoy playing with trolls. I don't care and think they should be able to.. at least it's their choice. People gravitate to their enjoyments and if that's one...so be it.
I know you agree that we have long-time members that do- so...it'll never stop.
this is a really good post,
its got a little bit of everything in it and hopefully andrew will read these posts,exspecially this one spacey.
your a nobel guy.
made me understand a few things myself,im guilty of feeding those trolls as well.
i dont think i find as much entertainment in it as i feel im trying to set things straight for a possible new user who would read something like that and think"wow,i guess cakewalk sucs" i dont want someone thinking thats true.
no if they a legitimate grip then by all means there is a way to convey your thoughts in a respectful manner,even when you are upset.
but you know as well as i,there arent upset users,these are trolls.
ive become very defensive now to almost any post i read that resembles godparticles work.
now im not sure and i do not want to be saying something im not sure about but it is possible and i believe
he's got like 5 accounts.
and the worst thing about it...hes answering himself in these posts to detrimental questions.(even praising his own posts)
one of his posts was something along the lines of,"so i really cant do this? and then he answers himself in another account saying"No it definetly cant.
like i said it would be wrong for me to make such accusations and at first i thought i was just paranoid.
but he even mis-spells the same words.
i was one of the first people to mention only giving accounts out to registered users.
bapu replied something back to me like"you dont need to have your email the same as your account".
and i said yes but if asked by a mod you would need to have it present.
but it seems as this thread is rolling on you and the others have put your heads together and fin tuned some details and come up with new ideas.
i think the problem lays with what about new users looking for help with demo?
i think it was bapu again(not sure) who said,give them their own special forum.great idea right there.
i would be happy to spend as much time helping people in another part of the forum as i would the registered users forum.
there are some really good ideas flowing around here.
Thank you Charlie.
I guess some organizing would help. I sure think it would be worth a try.
I don't know what it takes or what it costs but I do think that if one considers how long
it's been like it is we can't say they spend to much time and money having a good forum.
The worst part IMO is that I feel many of our ideas and requests only go so far. Even if there
are good ones and even if we all agreed I don't think we're part of the equation.
Now before you or anybody confronts me on that...I base it on many years of people asking
for downright solid suggestions for features and corrections to the software and forum and they
weren't addressed.
I don't care to dig up bones but I sure wouldn't have that opinion if they hadn't given it to me...it's not like I just sit around making things up about this LOL. It doesn't mean that much to me. I do
care enough to participate and contribute what I can....but that's for you friends here...not for Cake.
Like I said...they don't need me or my opinions anyway.
I don't see trolls and troublemakers as a real bad thing when I feel like having fun hammering on them. There are days when I feel like an ass and act as one. It's fun. There are some very funny people around here. Then there are days I wish they were confined so I didn't have it distracting me.
Well it is possible to have it both ways....but with Cake I just don't think it's very probable.
Agreed 100% sharke.you hit the nail right on the head man. Spacey,how come i never knew you existed on this forum till lately ? wise man with very wise words.
post edited by chuckebaby - 2013/02/10 16:57:56
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Re:LOL Andrew dumped....
2013/02/10 17:00:24
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paulo
We'll obviously never agree on FB so no point in going there, you seem like a nice guy and all, but you seem to be arguing against yourself a little there. You start off by saying FB is a good method of id because of the work that they do to ensure that accounts are legit and proper and then go on to say how easy it is to set up an account with zero personal info just so that you could gain access to places that require FB login. Ermm..... am I missing something ?
Facebook, like Google, employs some pretty nifty algorithms that we'll probably never fully know about or understand. I suspect that there are a ton of ways that they can detect potential duplicate accounts, multiple accounts created from the same IP in a relatively short space of time being one of them.
Here's a little clue from a Facebook spokesman although it's still a little vague:
“Facebook has always been based on a real name culture. This leads to greater accountability and a safer and more trusted environment for our users. It¹s a violation of our policies to use a fake name or operate multiple accounts. We have a dedicated User Operations team that reviews these reports and takes action as necessary.
We also have technical systems in place to flag and block potential fake accounts based on name and anomalous site activity. One of these technical systems has been displaying a warning to users we believe may be operating multiple accounts, while we are not taking action on these warnings at the moment, we have been notifying users that they may be violating our policies. We are constantly iterating on these systems and developing new ones, to provide an even better experience for the people who use our service.”
First thing to note is that they have a team dedicated to reviewing reports of multiple accounts. Straight away you can see how much better that is than a simple anonymous email login (how many email providers even try to detect multiple accounts?). Second, there are the "technical systems" in place to "flag and block potential fake accounts based on name an anomalous site activity." Sounds complicated, but you can imagine a typical scenario: two different Facebook accounts, both registered from the same IP, who are both liking or posting comments on the same site.
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Re:LOL Andrew dumped....
2013/02/10 17:07:08
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Spacey,how come i never knew you existed on this forum till lately ? Really? Spacey is one of the first fellows that piqued my interest here. Between his collection of mini amps and his guitar building I find him to be a very interesting poster. He doesn't come upstairs much though so maybe that's why you didn't notice him. Cheers.
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Re:LOL Andrew dumped....
2013/02/10 17:25:50
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Beepster
Spacey,how come i never knew you existed on this forum till lately ?
Really? Spacey is one of the first fellows that piqued my interest here. Between his collection of mini amps and his guitar building I find him to be a very interesting poster. He doesn't come upstairs much though so maybe that's why you didn't notice him.
Cheers.
That's all well and good, but the guy has a Marshall Fridge! How many of you can say that??? 
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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Re:LOL Andrew dumped....
2013/02/10 17:28:56
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I have a cousin named Marshall... and he's built like a fridge.
That totally counts.
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Re:LOL Andrew dumped....
2013/02/10 17:34:48
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even if we all agreed I don't think we're part of the equation. I think you're right. Also, the bad economy could be a part of it. Maybe Cake is watching costs and people who could be moderating more have more pressing duties. Maybe some volunteers would be a good idea, I don't know. (I did read post 13 but my mind scrambles stuff around after a while... a very short while. I hope I haven't offended here. If I have it certainly hasn't been my intention, I tend to be naive. I have a tendency to think everyone is being sincere unless it is really obvious... I am learning and getting better though thanks to most around here. Spacey, in your frustrated first X2a project thread I posted a link to a thread where some guy said that buying a new system made X2 run right for him, then I wondered if that might have not set well with you... but honestly, if it wasn't well received I didn't mean any offense... I meant it to help. So, if I ever come across as offensive, tell me... because unless I am obviously being an a55, I don't know I am being offensive. I am not too big to apologize when I am wrong or if I get upset and pop off. Also, I realize that I don't know anything compared to most of the members here but I am an owner/sucker.. I buy everything Cake offers. You may wonder why I am here a lot but never post a song. I have been trying to overcome a phobia. Everytime I have tried in the past it has been a disaster but I figure if I stay at it, eventually I will overcome this fear. Isnt that stupid? but there it is... "Oh no, I've said too much I set it up". It is supossed to rain for the next three days (up to 2" tonight) so I have no excuse to not at least do some scratch tracks... and it is about time. Julien
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Re:LOL Andrew dumped....
2013/02/10 17:38:28
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jamesg1213
''Is that what you want? Cos that's what'll 'appen!!
Now this is funny... I knowed people like this my whole life. Of course they are of Irish descent, LOL! Almost everyone around here is.
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